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10 Worst Evolutionary Designs

JamJam writes "Besides my beer gut, which I'm sure has some purpose, Wired is running a story on the 10 Worst Evolutionary Designs. Ranging from baby giraffes being dropped 5-foot during birth to Goliath bird-eating spiders that practically explode when they fall from trees."

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  1. Old by hyperion2010 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This was posted 2 weeks ago, it was stupid then and is stupid now. Also, go back to digg with your lists kthxby.

    1. Re:Old by RobertB-DC · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This was posted 2 weeks ago, it was stupid then and is stupid now. Also, go back to digg with your lists kthxby.

      I second that emotion. The most notable thing about the list is that it shows a possibly-unhealthy level of interest in non-human reproduction on the part of the author -- five out of the ten, including "slug genitalia" and "hyena clitoris". Mr. Wolman should either get into a college-level comparative anatomy class, or into therapy.

      And lists aren't such a bad thing, in and of themselves. I've gotten addicted to the Cracked Mazagine (sic) lists of things like "The 6 Most Badass Murder Weapons in the Animal Kingdom". Compare those with the Wired.com list, and you can't help but wonder if Cracked already saw this list... and stamped it "REJECTED".

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    2. Re:Old by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      MY thoughts precisely. It is REALLY hard to make a list of bad evolution using SUCCESSFUL examples. Regardless of the weirdness of the design, it WORKS over the other designs that were submitted over the eons.

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  2. Humans by Kittenman · · Score: 5, Informative
    1) Knees

    2) Windpipe close to channel to stomach - choking hazard

    3) Walking upright leads to distended colon, piles, etc

    4) As my wife says, playground close to a sewage works

    And first post, BTW...

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    1. Re:Humans by Bertie · · Score: 5, Informative

      Ah, but...

      The design of our breathing/eating apparatus may be a choking hazard, but it gives us the ability to do a neat trick that no other animal can: speak.

      Ever noticed how babies can feed and breathe at the same time, but you can't? This is because of the shape of their vocal tract, which is more like an animal's than yours at that point. Babies need to get a lot of food down their necks as quickly as possible, because they're busy growing. Speaking can wait.

      After a few months, things start to move around - the larynx drops, the back of the throat curves round into a right-angle, and all of a sudden they have to choose between eating and breathing. But the reshaped vocal tract allows them to form configurations of the speech organs which weren't previously possible, and so they learn to speak.

    2. Re:Humans by colinrichardday · · Score: 4, Insightful

      3) Walking upright leads to distended colon, piles, etc

      It also allows us to use our hands better, for things like wielding weapons against animals that would kill us otherwise.

  3. Spartan Giraffes by Knave75 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Perhaps the great fall is a way to cull the weak giraffes. Those that do not survive the 5 foot drop would never have been successful in the wild. Ditto for the slow-evolving shark siblings. If your brother eats you in the womb and you do not adequately defend yourself, then you simply did not deserve to live.

    Seriously though, evolution does not provide traits that are advantageous, it simply removes those that are disadvantageous, relative to other traits. That is a subtle but important difference. Eating your brothers and sisters in-utero sounds pretty gross, but unless it hurts the reproductive rate of those who carry that gene, there is no reason to weed it out.

    1. Re:Spartan Giraffes by geekoid · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "...evolution does not provide traits that are advantageous, ..."
      Yes it does.

      "it simply removes those that are disadvantageous"
      That would assume you ahve all traits at the 'beginning'.

      New traits can develop from new mutations.

      You seem to be a little too Lamarkian.

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    2. Re:Spartan Giraffes by v1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      "...evolution does not provide traits that are advantageous, ..."
      Yes it does.

      Possibly more correct to say that evolution continuously offers random features which may or may not be advantageous, and the features which are detrimental to its survival tend to be removed from the gene pool.

      OP is correct in saying that evolution in itself doesn't provide anything specifically helpful. It does encourage traits that happen to be beneficial though. Evolution is not the process of trying improvements, that's what heterosexual reproduction is for. The purpose of evolution is to improve on the survival of the accidentally better designs.

      There are an insane number of good examples, but I'll toss out a good one now. Sickle Cell Anemia. Sucks if you have it, has a variety of nasty side effects and no visible benefit. Except if you live in say, Nicaragua, and are exposed to malaria-bearing mosquitoes all the time. Something about the cell shape defies the virus, SCA sufferers are immune to malaria. So the SCA expression there is very very high because although it grants a disadvantage, it also grants an advantage. Interesting thing about SCA is you only need one gene to have immunity, and require both to get the nasty side effects. But it's advantageous enough to be kept.

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  4. Another worst design. by kurt555gs · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Pontiac Aztec. God they were ugly.

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    1. Re:Another worst design. by RockWolf · · Score: 4, Funny

      The Pontiac Aztec. God they were ugly.

      Must've been evolution, because there sure wasn't a lot of intelligent design that went into that one...

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  5. If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If it's stupid but it works, it isn't stupid" - that also applied to evolutionary designs.

    Also, some of these 'design issues' might in truth be advantages. For example, sea mammals can swim through oxygen-depleted dead waters just fine - they don't depend on dissolved oxygen.

  6. Purpose of the beer gut by turing_m · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Storing fat is a useful way of surviving famine or food shortages. Unfortunately the stored fat always makes the male less athletic, less able to fight, hunt, evade, etc. Storing extra fat on the gut/love handle area is probably the best compromise for athletic purposes - lowest center of gravity possible without adding excess weight to the legs (which have to change direction rapidly).

    The worst places to store fat in large quantities are at the extremities such as fingers, toes, hands, feet, forearms, calves and the head, because of the reduction to athletic performance.

    Ass, thighs and chest aren't as great as the mid-section but aren't terrible. These areas are where women usually store their fat because if they stored it on their gut men can't tell if they are are pregnant or not.

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  7. It's fun, but don't draw conclusions from it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Oh isn't this a great parlour game! Did you know that the retina is backwards, which is why we have a blind spot? How horrible, how inefficient!

    These types of things are all very fun to discuss. But please oh PLEASE do not draw any inferences from them. They don't mean ANYTHING, from a philosophical or theological perspective.

    (Example) The vagus nerve in giraffe's neck is as long and ungainly as it is because of the way it develops in the fetus. To make it more efficient in the adult would require a change in the course of fetal development. And depending on how you change the course of fetal development, other things need to change, too. This is a very large and complex system of interconnected dependencies. To look at one isolated phenotypic feature and say, "Hey, I could have designed that better!" bespeaks of a total lack of knowledge about what all is involved in development.

    I will say for the record that I believe in evolution, not intelligent design. But whenever I heard people "on my side" using examples like this as "evidence" for NOT intelligent design it frustrates me. You have absolutely no idea the entire bredth of changes -- on every level, from genetics to protein synthesis to overall development -- that would be required to make whatever "inefficient design" work better. It isn't as simple as looking at the adult and saying "this nerve should go here, instead!"

    So, that's my little rant. Examples like these are fun. They're entertaining. They're cute.

    They are "evidence" of absolutely nothing.

  8. design! by fermion · · Score: 4, Informative
    There are so many bad "designs". baby butterflies dying because they can't get out of the cocoon. Reasonable from an evolutionary perspective, but what designer would want to kill baby butterflies.

    Or what about pain that will never go away. What is the purpose of have a burn victim still feel pain days after the injury. Or lifelong back pain. What kind of design relishes in making organisms suffer for no apparent reason?

    Then of course there is sex. From a procreation point of view, one would the process to be as simple as possible, not a few to several minutes of interaction. One could have designed us so the interaction was separate from reproduction. That way we could couple as needed, to have orgasms, but then make babies only when it was useful. The combination of the two is obvious trickery, and it says something about the design.

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  9. Re:Not Design! by sleeponthemic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not to mention the fact that people shouldn't confuse evolution for "perfection". We're choosing an arbitrary point in time (now) to draw a line in the sand, claiming organisms should be perfectly adapted at this point. Wrong.

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  10. Not evolutionary design .... by gstoddart · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not really evolutionary design, it's evolutionary results.

    Evolution doesn't sit down at the drawing board and try to figure out how to give birth to a giraffe. This is the end result of bazillions of little experiments that ended up with the rather comic/disturbing notion of a baby giraffe falling that far.

    I'm sure to an advanced species, our mating habits, genitals, mode of breathing, and whatnot look hilarious. :-P

    Cheers

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  11. journey not a destination by gurps_npc · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Evolution is a process, not an end goal. The creatures described here are not 'completed', but are instead a work in progress. Also note, many of the 'issues' have secret advantages. For example a whale can dive deeper than most fish can swim because of the huge lungs that go with the blow hole instead of the gills that are more limited.

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