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How Much Does a Reputation For Security Matter Anymore?

dasButcher writes "We often hear that businesses risk their corporate reputations if they don't have adequate security. It's been a common refrain among those selling security technologies: protect your data or suffer the reputational consequences. But, as Larry Walsh points out, the evidence is against this notion. Even companies that have suffered major security breaches — TJX, Hannaford, etc. — have suffered little lasting damage to their reputation. So, does this mean that reputational concerns are simply bunk?"

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  1. bad news is good news? by An+anonymous+Frank · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Outside of geek circles, people might assume that if a firm has just suffered a security blunder, that they'll sure be addressing the issue seriously, and that they will make sure it doesn't happen again, as opposed to firms that haven't and presume that security is something other people need to worry about.

    Don't know about repeat offenders though.

    1. Re:bad news is good news? by Z00L00K · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The biggest blunder a company can make is to try to hide that there has been a security breach because if they do try to hide a breach and it leaks then there may have been other breaches that aren't revealed.

      Being open about breaches and the impact of the breach is not hurting a business, and it may also cause other businesses to look after their measures.

      Repeated offenses may of course have an impact on the reputation.

      For any laptop owners out there with sensitive data - use things like TrueCrypt. If you do then it's at least possible to claim that the data was encrypted and therefore not likely to spread.

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    2. Re:bad news is good news? by plover · · Score: 2, Interesting

      The biggest blunder a company can make is to try to hide that there has been a security breach

      Correction: the biggest blunder a company can make is to hide that there has been a security breach AND THEN GET CAUGHT. If they're successful at hiding it, there is no penalty at all.

      This is just one form of the classic Prisoner's Dilemma.

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  2. It only matters if you're affected by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Once your identity is stolen, it doesn't matter what precautions the leaking company took or what their reputation is.

    And if your identity hasn't been stolen yet, it might be better to go with a company that has suffered an attack because they likely won't make the same mistake twice.

    Reputations are just rationalizations. Real security is not measurable by reputation.

    1. Re:It only matters if you're affected by eldavojohn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Once your identity is stolen, it doesn't matter what precautions the leaking company took or what their reputation is.

      I disagree. I might not file suit against TJ Maxx if it was beyond their control to stop this from happening. If, on the other hand, poor unreasonable company policy allowed a low level employee to sell it on the black market, I would probably be interested in a class action lawsuit against the company for poor protection of privacy.

      Real security is not measurable by reputation.

      Unfortunately, for a lot of these things, reputation is all you have to judge. And nobody's walking down the street passing up shopping at TJ Maxx because of the credit card leak. Or selecting a retail clothing store based on their security reputation. These are discussions of problems with stores that are not in IT or a technology industry. If it's their primary job to protect my private financial data (i.e. paypal or online banking), you bet I'm going to seek action.

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  3. Duh by BobMcD · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Look, people make mistakes. It happens. Even when those people are gathered into large groups. People also tend to forget things that aren't presently being trumpeted on the news as a "Big Deal".

    Also, most folks don't like to worry about Security, and aren't too quick to criticize when others don't like it either. It is a classic PITA for the general public, without any measurable return on investment, so they're even further inclined to forgive. Only fear keeps us all in line, and people don't generally seem to criticize when the fear isn't working.

    1. Re:Duh by Stenchwarrior · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Well, TJX's "mistake" was to use WEP instead of WPA; WEP has been a known-security hole since 2001 and yet they continued to keep using it. Maybe blatant laziness should be punished by Federal law rather than relying on the public to decide whether or not they deserve disciplinary action.

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    2. Re:Duh by hey! · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's not so much forgiveness, I think, as resignation.

      For the public, worrying about computer security is like worrying about an invisible, odorless poison gas that appears in completely random places. If they knew where the gas would strike, they'd fear those places. If the gas had an odor, they'd learn to fear it. If they knew who was responsible for creating the gas, they'd demand that outfit be shut down.

      But if there's nothing they can do to protect themselves, they'll just ignore it and hope for the best.

      That's what computer security is like for most people. They don't understand it, and they have good reason to suspect that the people who run the companies they deal with don't understand it. If a company gets hit with an embarrassing breach, they might reasonably conclude that its claim to have learned its lesson is just as credible as a different company's claim it hasn't been hit because it already knows better.

      If you want to fix this, there are two ways, neither of them popular. The first is ore regulation of record keeping practices. The second is to establish liability of companies when information it is holding is misused.

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  4. No security available anywhere by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Essentially, no business properly secures their data. This means there are no alternatives, so there can be no repercussions from failure to enact proper security. People may moan and complain, but it isn't that they chose a company with poor security, it's that the industry just does business without security. For instance, no one will go without banking, and no bank is known for properly securing their data. Thus, clients can't create loss of profits for businesses with a poor security reputation.

    Additionally, most consumers don't consider security as a main part of what they get from a service, thus not making it a major part of their decision. People don't look at banks (example) for how securely they store passwords, but instead for the interest rates provided. Again, until some start doing it right, none will be forced to.

  5. Size matters by mcrbids · · Score: 5, Interesting

    From what I can see, size matters. The impact of a security breach on the business is inversely proportional to the size of the business. Small companies, big deal. Big companies, Eh - whataya gonna do?

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  6. Poor reporting by SIGBUS · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Outside of the geek world, these data breaches either go unreported or just get a passing mention between breathless coverage of $CELEBRIDEATH and breathless coverage of $REALITY_SHOW_CONTESTANT. A lot of people simply don't realize that these things are going on.

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  7. Re:For me they did (no they didn't) by cblack · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So then their security breach had no effect on their bottom line as far as you as a customer are concerned. In fact it could be argued that now they are making more $$ off you than before as they don't have to pay credit card transaction processing fees for your purchases.

  8. Corporations and reputations by homer_s · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here is an interesting piece about corporations and their incentives to protect their reputations.

    It is not about IT (it is about insurance companies in Nazi Germany), but provides a very good insight nonetheless.

  9. Depends what industry by mewsenews · · Score: 2, Interesting

    If you're a relatively mundane manufacturing company and you leak customer data -- who cares?

    If you're a Visual Effects studio and you leak shots from a major new film, "sonny, you ain't gonna work in this town again".

  10. TJX breach didn't matter. by MaerD · · Score: 2

    The TJX breach didn't matter to the vast majority of TJX customers.
    Most didn't hear of it, and those that did went "Oh, it was only X store and I wasn't affected"

    Look at the TJ Maxx stores, they are a low end bargin retail chain, most of their business probably isn't even done with credit cards. Even those customers that were affected probably disputed the charges and moved on, without understand how crappy the security was. Most customers probably bought the "oh my, we're sorry this happened, we'll make sure it doesn't happen again" line, even though anyone with sense could point out how BAD the security hole was and that the shocking thing wasn't that it happened, but that it hadn't been going on for years (that we know of).



    Let's be honest.. how many of us shopped there before? How many of us will not shop there again ever? How many will just not use a credit card at TJX stores?

    Now if this were an online retailer where people think a bit more about "Hrm, where am I giving my credit card number?" A breach like this would mean more to the customers.

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  11. Reputation doesn't matter in some industries by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    A credit card transaction processing company, Heartland Payment Systems, suffered a serious data breach in 2008. My credit card information was compromised. Unfortunately, there is nothing I can do about the situation, other than get a new card.

    I called Heartland. They told me they were implementing end-to-end encryption (I don't understand how such a company could possibly not already be using extensive encryption). I asked them for a list of the companies that process transactions through Heartland so I could avoid those businesses. No such list is available -- precisely because it could damage the reputation of these businesses.

    Heartland doesn't care, and there is no reason they ought to. This is why they didn't already encrypt my data. As far as I can tell, there is absolutely nothing I can do as an American consumer to discourage this type of corporate behavior from this industry in the future.

    The people truly holding the reins in situations like these are the investors. What we need are investors who respond to ethical news as rapidly as they respond to financial news. But investors seem to like news of unethical behavior and corner-cutting, because it implies the firm will do anything to cut costs and maximize profits. The truly greedy people aren't the CEOs and the suits, it's the multi billion dollar pension funds and investors who want only to grow their money at the expense of everything good.

  12. Lack of large-scale consequences by JoeD · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's because so far, there haven't been any large-scale consequences resulting from the widely-publicized breaches.

    Sure, a bunch of people's info got released, and some of those people had serious identity-theft issues resulting from it, but most of the people affected got new credit card numbers and moved on.

    When there's a data breach that results in a bank going belly-up, or major stock fraud, or large loss of life, then a reputation for security might start to matter.

  13. No 9-11. Yet. by Hasai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The problem is there hasn't been the digital equivalent of a 9-11 yet. Once someone breaks into one of the major banks and zeroes the accounts of several million Americans, then you'll see a reaction. Too late. As usual.

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    1. Re:No 9-11. Yet. by AdmiralXyz · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your statement actually has rather terrifying implications, since after 9/11 we saw a rush of hysterics that created a) illusory security practices like the nonsense we have to put up with at airports and b) several wars in the Middle East that have done anything but make us more safe. I can't help but think that when (not if) there is a break-in like you describe, the government is going to start keeping track of everyone who downloads nmap, etc.

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