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Database Error Costs Social Security Victims $500M

Hugh Pickens writes "The Washington Posts reports that the Social Security Administration has agreed to pay more than $500 million in back benefits to more than 80,000 recipients whose benefits were unfairly denied after they were flagged by a federal computer program designed to catch serious criminals. At issue is a 1996 law, which contained language later nicknamed the 'fleeing felon' provision, that said fugitives were ineligible to receive federal benefits. As part of its enforcement, the administration began searching computer databases to weed out people who were collecting benefits and had outstanding warrants. The searches captured dozens of criminals, including some wanted for homicide, but they also ensnared countless elderly and disabled people accused of relatively minor offenses such as shoplifting or writing bad checks and in some cases, the victims simply shared a name and a birth date with an offender." (Read more, below.) "The lead plaintiff in the class-action suit, Rosa Martinez, 52, of Redwood City, Calif., was cut off from her $870 monthly disability benefit check in January 2008 because the system had flagged an outstanding drug warrant in 1980 for a different Rosa Martinez from Miami. Officials said it is difficult to estimate how many social security recipients might be affected by the agreement but said the number is fewer than 1 percent nationally. 'What's remarkable about this case is thesheer number of individuals who were unfairly denied benefits and the size of the financial settlement they will receive,' said David H. Fry of Munger, Tolles & Olson, one of the pro bono attorneys who represented victims."

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  1. Not a database error by abshack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is human error. When will people learn not to make peoples' name the primary key... :/

    1. Re:Not a database error by Hubbell · · Score: 4, Funny

      How about the summary leading me to believe that is one of the dumbest laws in existence. How exactly do you pay benefits to a FUGITIVE, someone the fucking police/fbi/law enforcement and even bounty hunters can't find?

    2. Re:Not a database error by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 3, Funny

      There's always some sodding twat that thinks it would be brilliant to make the primary key an email address.

      If they're not already burning in hell, I'd quite like to shove a bottle of Dave's Insanity Sauce up their ring.

      Any /.'ers used the piece of total twattage that is "Sostenuto"?

      I don't have the words to describe how shite it is.

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    3. Re:Not a database error by e9th · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Social Security benefits are paid regardless of where you live, which might be a country that can't/won't extradite you back to the U.S.

    4. Re:Not a database error by chrb · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The problem was not the choice of primary key. The problem was the way in which the people in charge of the process failed to consider the possibility of false positives.

      more than 80,000 recipients whose benefits were unfairly denied... The searches captured dozens of criminals

      "dozens?" Let's be generous and say 50. 50 out of 80,000 is a 99.9% rate of false positives. Not good.

  2. How on earth... by Omega+Hacker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Let me get this straight: we're talking about the Social Security Administration, who is responsible for assigning every citizen a unique number which is then used to pay out benefits, and is also used by everybody's dog to act as a unique ID, presumably including the criminal justice system. The very same people who *dole out* these numbers can't be bothered to use them to cross-check whether somebody should stop getting benefits because of this law???

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    1. Re:How on earth... by greed · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The thing about UNIVERSAL public health care is...

      It's actually not very important if you correctly identify who is getting health care.

      Your doctor needs to know who you are, and lab results need to be correctly tied to samples, and so on. But that's not a function of who's paying the bills.

      But for determining if the doctors and labs get paid? Not so much.

      Basically, all you really need to know is, "is this person a citizen or lawful immigrant?" and "is this procedure covered by the system?". It's not so important to know WHICH citizen or lawful immigrant. It's nice to get it right, but your medical history doesn't need to be part of your public health insurance ID, so it's not critical to treatment.

      Different keying problem.

      That being said... I'm amazed at how many people think there's some huge government conspiracy out to get them when they can't get simple stuff like this right. Sure, they can listen in on all cell phone calls... but they can't keep a list properly?

    2. Re:How on earth... by vux984 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      LET'S LET THEM RUN HEALTH CARE NEXT!

      Yes, let's.

      On the one hand, are you under some delusion that your health insurance company is somehow doing a better job? With greater reliability, efficiency, and accountability? Fewer errors, fewer denied valid claims?? Do you just take it on faith, or do you have any evidence at all that your insurance company is doing a better job?

    3. Re:How on earth... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 3, Funny

      On the one hand, are you under some delusion that your health insurance company is somehow doing a better job? With greater reliability, efficiency, and accountability? Fewer errors, fewer denied valid claims?? Do you just take it on faith, or do you have any evidence at all that your insurance company is doing a better job?

      Well they're making tons of money, so they must be doing something right! =D

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    4. Re:How on earth... by rho · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I had a real point, that would have been one of them. Single-payer proponents all point to a lot of other governments to say how great it is. It's harder to make the case that the U.S. government can do as well. For example, Medicare is enduring severe cost overruns and is rife with corruption.

      Nobody ever talks about how great the U.S. government would be. They always say "it's working great in Australia!" Which can be perfectly true, but irrelevant, unless we adopt the Australian system, every jot and tittle--or hire Australia to run our health care system as well.

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    5. Re:How on earth... by c0nman · · Score: 3, Informative

      Q20: Are Social Security numbers reused after a person dies?

      A: No. We do not reassign a Social Security number (SSN) after the number holder's death. Even though we have issued over 415 million SSNs so far, and we assign about 5 and one-half million new numbers a year, the current numbering system will provide us with enough new numbers for several generations into the future with no changes in the numbering system.

    6. Re:How on earth... by NaCh0 · · Score: 3, Informative

      With the current bill in congress, you don't even have to be a lawful immigrant. Perhaps that's why the government going to count the illegal aliens in the 2010 census. (presumably not asking their immigration status)

  3. And that's what happens by Profane+MuthaFucka · · Score: 5, Interesting

    when you make everybody do the job that the police are supposed to be doing. Who thought it would be a good idea for Social Security people to be screening criminals? (Newt Gingrich and his Contract on America congress in 1996, that's who). Screening criminals is what the police should be doing. What's next? Is the FBI going to be paving the roads?

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  4. What a stupid law. by pavon · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I'm not getting this law. First off, social security isn't some charity program, paid for by other taxpayers. It is money that the citizens/criminals paid into the system and deserve to get back, regardless of what else they have done in life. Besides, are we really doing ourselves a favor by denying ex-cons their own money that they need to survive in their old age?

    Furthermore, if it really is about current fugitives, then wouldn't the government love to know a mailing address for these people so they can arrest them, rather than just refusing SS payment?

  5. Defending the SS admins by hellfire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, you geeks all confuse me. First you say that by law no one should be using the SSN as a unique identifier except for the SSA itself. Then you ask why aren't people using this unique number to avoid mistakes!!!

    I don't blame the SS because they were doing what they were told to do, cut off what someone defined as criminals. The problem was the definition, and how to link SS roles with all these outstanding warrants and whatnot. Are we sure the criminal records all have SSNs? Or could it be that we did a join on some other column and hoped for the best and thought 98% was good enough? I can see a programmer being forced to do the latter by a stupid law. How many John Smiths without proper social security numbers were in the dataset they had to work with?

    This was a stupid law to begin with, and probably had some stupid premises to get the information linked up. Never allow a politician to act like a project manager, they'll never get it right.

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  6. Cut to aerial camera view... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I look up and shake my fist -- COBOL!!!!!!

  7. One would think .... by jackspenn · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One would think the SSN could serve as a unique identifier.

    And our non-representative representatives in Congress wonder why so many people don't trust them to run the healthcare system.

    I can see it now

    We're sorry Matt Hew Johnson, we accidentally removed your leg as per operation instructions intended for Matthew Johnson down the hall. Now I know you think you got the bad end of the deal. I mean you loosing your leg and him getting the heart transplant you expected, but before you start complaining, recognize, you are B+ and he is type A-. Poor bastard will be lucky if he makes it through the night, which means your likely to get double breakfast tomorrow courtesy of Uncle Sammy. That should cheer you up, gimpy. Well, I would love to stay and chat, but union regs say I get to take a 30 minute break every half hour.

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    1. Re:One would think .... by StikyPad · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You know, military healthcare in general gets a lot of negative attention, but it's still better than any private program I've ever had. The idea of "death boards" is absolutely ridiculous -- the military will do anything in its power to treat someone, even if it means flying them halfway across the globe. And there's certainly no higher incidence of incompetence in military providers than in the civilian sector, especially when you consider that many military medical personnel moonlight at local clinics and hospitals.

      Choosing between a few days of bedrest in a hospital with some peeling paint, making years of payments to cover my deductible/spending cap, or filing for bankruptcy, and in either case possibly losing my coverage and the ability to get new insurance, I'd pick the former. With insurance companies competing based on who can deny the most coverage, and most people unable to even chose their insurers in the first place (in any meaningful way), the state of healthcare in the US has nowhere to go but up.

  8. Re:$500M/80K = how much? by 680x0 · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sounds like Rosa Martinez might be getting back more than $870/mo worth. Even going all the way back to 1996, that's an average of about $40,000/mo per person.

    What are you smoking? $500 million, divided by 80,000 people is an average of $6250 per person, total. Assuming they were all getting $870 per month, they were being paid for an average of a little over 7 months.

  9. Um - No, not yet at least by HiChris! · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, even SSN are not 'unique'. They try and keep it unique for each generation, but they've already started reusing numbers.

    SSNs are not currently re-used. They may potentially be reissued but we are talking 50+ years from now. See http://www.ssa.gov/history/hfaq.html

    1. Re:Um - No, not yet at least by avxo · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Except that's not reuse. An EIN is not a social security number. Repeat after me, an EIN is not a social security number! Just because your telephone number is 666-555-1212 and my driver's license number is 666-55-1211 doesn't mean the DMV is reusing telephone numbers as driver's license numbers.

    2. Re:Um - No, not yet at least by dwreid · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I suppose by "re-used" you mean reissued. I currently have 3 illegal aliens using my SSN right now. I've spoken to the Social Security Administrtion. They know about these people. They confirmed it. They also told me that they can't do anything about it because they don't pass information to law enforcement agencies. I spend untold hours every year correcting entries into my credit reports from these lawbreaking, bad check writing, no bill paying assholes. It's a great system we have.

    3. Re:Um - No, not yet at least by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's no law preventing you from passing this information on to immigration...

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  10. Re:DB indexed on the wrong key, obviously ... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Informative

    The problem is that in all probability the database of the criminals does not have their SSN. Therefore there is no way to know if the Rosa Martinez in Redwood, CA is the Rosa Martinez with an outstanding drug warrant from Miami, FL or not. Of course it would have been nice if someone had thought this through before they passed a law, but then as we have recently discovered it is just too much work for Congressman to actually read the laws before they pass them.

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  11. Re:$500M/80K = how much? by GaryOlson · · Score: 3, Funny

    Less tar?
    More zip!?

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  12. By 'Social Security victims' do they mean... by DustoneGT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    the people who are forced to pay into the unsustainable scheme?

  13. Re:DB indexed on the wrong key, obviously ... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Yes, but when a 1500 page bill lands on a congresscritter's desk 2-3 days before the vote, what do you expect?

    As someone else replied, I expect them to vote against that 1500 (or 500, or 100 or 2) page bill that they haven't had time to read.

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  14. Re:DB indexed on the wrong key, obviously ... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Interesting

    What is recent about it is leaders of the House actually saying that Congressmen(and women) can't be expected to read the bills they are voting on(and if they did read them they couldn't understand them).

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  15. Re:DB indexed on the wrong key, obviously ... by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This seems so obvious, I wonder how many people in the USA have written to the candidates before elections saying that they will not vote for anyone who does not pledge to vote against any bill that he or she has not had time to read thoroughly. Passing no law is almost always better than passing a bad law.

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