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US Tests System To Evade Foreign Web Censorship

D1gital_Prob3 excerpts from a Reuters story that says "The US government is covertly testing technology in China and Iran that lets residents break through screens set up by their governments to limit access to news on the Internet. The 'feed over email' (FOE) system delivers news, podcasts and data via technology that evades web-screening protocols of restrictive regimes, said Ken Berman, head of IT at the US government's Broadcasting Board of Governors, which is testing the system. The news feeds are sent through email accounts including those operated by Google, Microsoft's Hotmail, and Yahoo. 'We have people testing it in China and Iran,' said Berman, whose agency runs Voice of America. He provided few details on the new system, which is in the early stages of testing. He said some secrecy was important to avoid detection by the two governments."

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  1. Good thing... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    China and Iran don't read slashdot.

  2. Right... by Leonard+Fedorov · · Score: 5, Funny

    So the obvious way to maintain such secrecy is have it posted to slashdot.
    Brilliant...

    1. Re:Right... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      "D1gital_Prob3 excerpts from a Reuters story that says "

      Yes, because if Slashdot didn't pick it up no one would have ever seen it on that Reuters thingy.

    2. Re:Right... by gclef · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, they presented it just a couple weeks ago at DefCon, so apparently their right hand isn't quite on speaking terms with their left hand. There were some...pointed questions from the DefCon crowd, though, which they didn't have good answers for. One big concern for me, which I didn't see them address well: how do you bootstrap this? (Ie, why not just block downloads of the application itself, or arrest everyone who does download it?)

  3. More uses... by Asmodai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I am sure our Australian friends can make good use of this too in the near future...

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    1. Re:More uses... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      It was revealed a while ago that Richard Stallman doesn't browse the web. If he wants to read a particular page he sends a command to a server that retrieves the page and emails it to him (really!). At the time, he was roundly mocked on Slashdot. But now we see that, once again, he was in the vanguard, living the future.

      2010 will be the year of the unkempt beard. Mark my words.

  4. Dear US Government by netsharc · · Score: 4, Funny

    this looks like an interesting and useful technology for us, can we please have it too?

    Signed,

    The US Citizens

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    1. Re:Dear US Government by FinchWorld · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Your assuming they aren't just using to let them access US Gov approved news, as opposed to the China/Iran Gov approved news they have now.

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  5. I'm confused here by jez9999 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    US companies (OK not the government, but the government didn't exactly frown at them) help setup these filters for foreign countries. The US government itself sets up 'free speech zones' and practices increasing amounts of censorship within the US... and I'm to believe that they want to genuinely promote free speech outside the US?

    1. Re:I'm confused here by Demonantis · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Exactly the US government's interest is in not in that they get news, but the news that they will get.

    2. Re:I'm confused here by daem0n1x · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Citizens in Iran and China are tired of the official, government approved information. Now they can also access official, US government approved information. Cool.

    3. Re:I'm confused here by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, free speech does sometimes mean you have to put up with people acting like douches. Freedom of speech is a double edged sword - you have to make all speech free, even if it is vile, disgusting, ignorant speech - because odds are someone else thinks what you say is vile, disgusting and ignorant. Supporting "Free Speech Zones" means you also support "Restricted Speech Zones" which should not exist in the US. (With the obvious exceptions of the shouting "fire" in the theater, yelling "bomb" at the airport, etc.) But no political speech should ever be silenced.

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  6. Covertly? by necro81 · · Score: 3, Funny

    The US government is covertly testing technology in China and Iran

    Not covert any more.

  7. Good stuff, but... by damburger · · Score: 5, Informative

    If this system is run by the US government, will they apply their own censorship?

    http://news.cnet.com/2010-1028_3-5204405.html

    the U.S. International Broadcasting Bureau (IBB) invented a way to let people in China and Iran easily route around censorship by using a U.S.-based service to view banned sites such as BBC News, MIT and Amnesty International. But an independent report released Monday reveals that the U.S. government also censors what Chinese and Iranian citizens can see online. Technology used by the IBB, which puts out the Voice of America broadcasts, prevents them from visiting Web addresses that include a peculiar list of verboten keywords. The list includes "ass" (which inadvertently bans usembassy.state.gov), "breast" (breastcancer.com), "hot" (hotmail.com and hotels.com), "pic" (epic.noaa.gov) and "teen" (teens.drugabuse.gov).

    But it gets better...

    Instead, the list unintentionally reveals its author's views of what's appropriate and inappropriate. The official naughty-keyword list displays a conservative bias that labels any Web address with "gay" in them as verboten--a decision that affects thousands of Web sites that deal with gay and lesbian issues, as well as DioceseOfGaylord.org, a Roman Catholic site. More to the point, the U.S. government could have set a positive example to the world regarding acceptance of gays and lesbians--especially in Iran, which punishes homosexuality with death.

    So oppressed homosexuals in Iran found themselves circumventing the Iranian government only to be thwarted by the US government. But that isn't even the best bit.

    In an e-mail to the OpenNet Initiative on Monday morning, Berman defended the concept of filtering as a way to preserve bandwidth. "Since the U.S. taxpayers are financing this program...there are legitimate limits that may be imposed," his message said. "These limits are hardly restrictive in finding any and all human rights, pro-democracy, dissident and other sites, as well as intellectual, religious, governmental and commercial sites. The porn filtering is a trade-off we feel is a proper balance and that, as noted in your Web release, frees up bandwidth for other uses and users."

    Yes, there are legitimate limits to what taxpayers should cough up for - and I think helping a foreign government keep its gay population from accessing the wider international community most definitely falls into that category!

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    1. Re:Good stuff, but... by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why is it important to spend taxpayer money adding a porn filter to such a scheme, when most US taxpayers undoubtedly don't care whether or not people abroad watch porn, and when it will, as has been shown in the past, block access to legitimate sites that are highly relevant to people being denied Internet access across the world?

      Because if you let people use it as a proxy to surf porn they will consume all of the available resources/bandwidth and it will become as useless as TOR currently is?

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      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
  8. Unintended consequences by petes_PoV · · Score: 5, Interesting
    How will this NOT lead to governments banning email from foreign countries

    (That's foreign to them)
    All this will achieve is even greater restrictions, until ultimately countries' censors will be operating entirely autonomous, independent, local versions of what was once referred to as The World Wide Web and just so that they can put their version of the facts in front of a small minority of people in other countries who might just care.

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  9. Symmetry ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Disclaimer: I'm not a US citizen (and my English is terrible).

    So the US govt is providing ways for foreign citizens to access content that is considered illegal in their countries...
    What would be the US govt reaction if some other country provides a way for US citizens to access content that is illegal in the US ?

    1. Re:Symmetry ? by dword · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What would be the US govt reaction if some other country provides a way for US citizens to access content that is illegal in the US ?

      Such as copyrighted material which is legally downloadable in some parts of the world but not in the US?

      I don't want to turn this into another discussion about copyright, but what happened with TPB is the answer to your question.

    2. Re:Symmetry ? by cpghost · · Score: 3, Informative

      Such as copyrighted material which is legally downloadable in some parts of the world but not in the US?

      There's a precedent already: the US government used its leverage in the WTO to strongarm Russia to ban AllOfMp3.

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  10. American News by claybugg · · Score: 3, Funny

    Ohhh. I hope we're sending them links to great, unbiased American news sources like CNN and Fox News. Those folks will be enlightened in no time!

  11. Re:This can help others as well by RobotRunAmok · · Score: 4, Informative

    This can help others where they can not see the content from the US. Hulu and others come to mind. Oh right, it isn't censorship if it isn't done by the government.
    Hulu has not been granted the license to distribute some content beyond the U.S. In some cases those distribution rights have been given to other entities, in other cases the rights may have been more expensive than Hulu wanted to pay, given the limitations of global-play ad sales.. In all cases, it was a business decision. Information may "want to be free," but network television does not. To even imply "censorship" is just ignorant.

  12. the irony by Tom · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Isn't it ironic that western governments are developing systems to circumvent Internet censorship, while at the same time deploying censorship infrastructure and laws?

    There's probably a good joke somewhere in there.

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  13. Circumventing Laws by quatin · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Why is the IBB intentionally trying to circumvent other countries laws? I'm all for net neutrality, but I understand that other countries have their own cultures and their own political spheres that is complex and not easy for us to understand. We can't even understand half the things our own government does. However, when was it policy to help citizens of other countries to break their own laws? What's the point of this other than to infuriate foreign governments? Amusement? And lastly, if it is our policy to infuriate foreign governments and prod them with a 4000 mile stick. We should send "semi-collector grade" samurai swords to Britain. I heard their parliament is so afraid of ninjas they banned samurai swords in an effort to prevent a ninja-takeover of London.

  14. all these comments by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    basically doing nothing but accusing the usa of hypocrisy

    folks, the most radical most liberal most openminded society you could ever imagine will have some sort of censorship of SOMETHING. pedophilia, for example

    at that point, would it be valid to compare such a hypothetical state to a country that punishes people harshly merely for expressing a political opinion?

    according to some of you, it is

    the usa is imperfect. the usa does evil in the world. let me repeat: the usa is imperfect. the usa does evil in the world. have i sufficiently innoculated myself yet in some of your minds of being a blind ultranationalist american yet? can i still criticize you without getting that ridiculous charge? then good, here goes: to compare what the usa censors with what iran and china censors is ignorance on your part

    as an example: plenty of you in the usa, critical of the usa, are freely posting a political attitude critical of the usa from within the usa, on american servers. you do realize that in some countries like gee, i dunno, china and iran maybe? that that gets monitored, and if it bothers someone, you get punished, perhaps harshly if you get indignant? can you imagine that in the usa? of course not, that's why you freely post. in china or iran, none of you would be bravely fighting for the assumed status quo of freedom implicit in your comments that you see as ideal, no, you'd be meekly bowed in fear, and would say nothing critical of the government. because you don't speak from nobility, you speak from a position of crass jackass ignorance

    here is an objective fact: your freedom of expression in the usa is vastly, by orders of magnitude, superior to that in china and iran. that is an OBJECTIVE FACT. what does that fact mean to you? do you give it any value? are you thankful for it any way? or do you find that the usa is imperfect in its policies, therefore, i will mouth off about the usa being the equivalent of the worst censoring authoritarian governments on the globe. does that sound intellectually honest to you?

    but that's ok by me, that's what freedom of expression leads to: lots of loud dumb idiots mouthing off. its a small price to pay to live in a free society that i cherish, and i accept all of your ignorance, even though i feel compelled to smack your ignorance down

    here's a magic word for you to consider next time: "scale". the scale and reach of the censorship involved. what does that concept mean to you? here's an example question question ot consider the concept of "scale" in relation to censorship: does censorship of pedophilia have the same impact on society, the same meaning, as censorship of political opinion?

    ruminate on the concept. then open your mouth

    you may now accuse me of being a dick cheney cock sucking neocon. since obviously, if i criticize your words, i must be the worst kind of american ultranationalist, right? not just some neutral guy asking for a little intellectual honesty on your part, right?

    zzz

    so predictable and ignorant. god i hope the lot of you are 13 years old. its the only way your ignorance is excusable

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