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Major Carriers Shun Broadband Stimulus

jmcharry sends word that as the deadline looms for requesting broadband grants from the $4.7 billion available in stimulus funding, Comcast, Verizon, and AT&T are conspicuously absent from the list of applicants. Quoting the Washington Post: "Their reasons are varied. All three say they are flush with cash, enough to upgrade and expand their broadband networks on their own. Some say taking money could draw unwanted scrutiny of business practices and compensation, as seen with automakers and banks that have taken government bailouts. And privately, some companies are griping about conditions attached to the money, including a net-neutrality rule that they say would prevent them from managing traffic on their networks in the way they want. ... Yet those firms might be the best positioned to achieve the goal of spreading Internet access to underserved areas, some experts say." Reader Michael_Curator notes that while the major carriers may be holding back, there were still enough applications to slow government servers to a crawl, resulting in a deadline extension.

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  1. No way by courseofhumanevents · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "All three say they are flush with cash, enough to upgrade and expand their broadband networks on their own."

    I don't know what their real reasoning is, but you can be assured that it is not because they want to be responsible and expand with their own money.

    1. Re:No way by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah, try $200K and they will STILL fuck your neighbors for the "cost". How do I know? Because they had been telling my folks that they would run the two block to the house since they built in in 1982. Guess how far away they are now? That's right-two blocks. They haven't run any line anywhere in my area in decades.

      So, since I had some cash from a settlement in the mid 90s, and there were several SOHOs down that round, that was only a quarter mile from end to end. I had a friend that worked at the cableco figure our roughly the cost of the line, he figured at the time $12k. We got together and offered them 15K PLUS guaranteed 5 year full package sales from the entire route. We figured it as over $230K over the 5 year contract. Do you know what their answer was?

      They wanted $75000! PLUS FIVE years PLUS a 'fee for the cost of the line! That's right, they wanted a good $70k in profit (since the line layers here were on salary at the time) before they ever layed a fucking inch! And THAT is why we will end up having to seize the last mile, because we have PAID once already, and all we got in return was the finger. We should give them 90 days to repay that money PLUS interest, or we take it. if they want a monopoly? Get off their asses and run to the millions that aren't getting dick from them now! And we'll be nice and give them double time if they run fiber to the neighborhood, and add another five to ten for fiber to the door. Because otherwise we will NEVER get nationwide broadband, and will fall farther and farther behind the rest of the world. Monopolies are NOT capitalism, and as we have seen all we get from the teleco/cableco duopoly is a rotting infrastructure.

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  2. Re:The Real Reason.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No. Among other things they don't like the idea of Net Neutrality which is one stipulation of taking the money.

  3. The Explaination by Sasayaki · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This has a simple explaination.

    Money is power; simple as that. If you have money, you can get people to do things- it's power. There are other forms of power but money's the most common (and, in many but not all cases, the most powerful).

    Restrictions on how you can spend your money devales that money. $1,000 is a nice sum of money for (almost) anyone to receive, but if it can only be spent on peanuts only you can eat? Can you eat a grand's worth of peanuts? What if you're allergic? In this case the money is basically worthless, because it has no power.

    Almost all ISPs want the power to restrict the usage of their clientbase. In some cases this is benign- stopping spammers from throwing out millions of spam e-mails a day, for example. In other cases, not so (blocking/disconnecting high usage users then dramatically overselling their network). But want of power isn't a problem; everyone wants power. Everyone. Every individual, every corporation... everyone. So that's okay.

    The reason why they are rejecting the money is because it has external factors. It has a stigma of being 'government bailout money'. It can only be used for certain things, and it has strings (a'la net neutrality). The ISPs have evaluated their money, decided that the restrictions limit its power too greatly and that it would be a net power loss for them.

    It's as simple as that.

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  4. The "Real Reason" by DesScorp · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I don't know what their real reasoning is, but you can be assured that it is not because they want to be responsible and expand with their own money.

    The real reason is because these grants are a Faustian Bargain: there are never-ending strings attached to government money. And it's not just the net neutrality issue. If you take that money, there's a whole host of demands the government can make. I work in aviation, and have seen some of this stuff in action with FAA grants, where you accept money for a project, and then there are costly consequences years down the road.

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    1. Re:The "Real Reason" by Atario · · Score: 5, Informative

      How soon we forget. The government has already given loads of money for broadband to get caught up with other countries, and the recipients have just taken the money and not done a thing. Wow, some "strings" there, huh?

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  5. Business as usual by TRRosen · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The big carriers will ignore the stimulus.
    Small Start-ups will take the money and build into new markets.
    the start-ups will then sell out to the big ISP's
    the start ups get rich from tax money
    the big ISP get expansion paid for by the government with no regulations attached.

    We get screwed and pay for the privilege

  6. Re:The Real Reason.... by davester666 · · Score: 5, Funny

    They just working out a plan for converting the money into bonuses. It's hard work!

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  7. Regional Monopolies by Azureflare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's all about the regional monopolies. With regional monopolies, they are able to control prices within certain regions since there are no other options. Why would they want to spend money expanding/improving service in regional markets where they have no competition?

    Those net neutrality rules would possibly threaten those regional monopolies... so they're like "F THAT! I want my control!"

    For example, consider the recent obscenely low bandwidth caps in rural areas where there is no other option. That's a prime example of the power regional monopoly gives these companies.

    Also as a side note, I find it hilarious that they think they can justify instating bandwidth caps when they apparently have more then enough capital. Wow, where did the argument that they were losing money due to excessive users go?

  8. The old anti-neutrality arguments don't work by ZuchinniOne · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember when the telcos claimed that net-neutrality would harm the industry by preventing them from collecting enough money to upgrade the infrastructure in the US?

    This proves their previous anti-net-neutrality arguments were BS.

    From http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9588_22-148385.html

    "Republican backers, along with broadband providers such as Verizon and AT&T, say it has sufficient Net neutrality protections for consumers, and more extensive rules would discourage investment in wiring American homes with higher-speed connections."

    From http://www.freedomworks.org/publications/the-problem-with-network-neutrality

    "By contrast, mandatory network neutrality is bad for business. Unlike the narrowband phone lines of the twentieth century, broadband pipes are being built with billions of dollars of unsubsidized investment in a competitive environment. ISPs make this investment on the assumption they can recover the costs and profit. As such, broadband lines are not the "public resource" that monopoly networks were in the past. Companies that own high-speed lines have a right to recover the costs that other parties impose when they wish to use those lines to transmit high-bandwidth, revenue-rich services of their own. If network neutrality is enacted, ISPs will have no incentive to build new pipes. Consumers will therefore get less choice."

  9. Re:The Real Reason.... by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They looked at what happened to the banks that took money and wanted no parts of it. Taking the money won't protect them against net neutrality being enshrined into law. This Administration has shown a tendency to spring new conditions on recipients of government largess after they have it (not that this is an unusual tendency for politicians, just that most are more subtle).

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  10. Re:The Real Reason.... by Runaway1956 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Perhaps we have a communication problem here. From TFA, "And privately, some companies are griping about conditions attached to the money, including a net-neutrality rule " From the summar, "And privately, some companies are griping about conditions attached to the money, including a net-neutrality rule "

    It seems pretty clear, from that, as well as a myriad other articles on the intartubez, the monopolies aren't even slightly interested in implementing net neutrality. They want one thing only, and that is as much money as possible for the use of the tubez, on top of extravagant rates attached to the infrastructure underlying the tubez. (cable, telephone, satellite, fiber - you name it, they want us to pay for it a few hundred times over)

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