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English Wikipedia Reaches 3 Million Articles

FunPika writes "It has taken more than eight years and the work of vast numbers of people around the world, but the English version of Wikipedia has finally amassed more than three million articles. The site broke through the 3 million barrier early on Monday morning UK time, with the honors taken by a short article about Norwegian actor Beate Eriksen — a 48-year-old cast member of a popular local soap opera."

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  1. And then it was proptly deleted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    The site broke through the 3 million barrier, with the honors taken by a short article about Norwegian actor Beate Eriksen

    And then the Wiki editors quickly deleted this article for being not important enough.

    1. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 5, Funny

      Fun from the talk page. A Wiki language geek "honored" the article by translating it into Anglo-Saxon for the Anglo-Saxon language version of Wikipedia. Because if there's one language that Wikipedia needs to be translated in, it's one that no one actually speaks anymore. http://ang.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beate_Eriksen

    2. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by NeoSkink · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Which brings up the next obvious question: Will the next milestone be 4 million articles, or 2 million articles!

    3. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And then the Wiki editors quickly deleted this article for being not important enough.

      Anybody else find it ironic that the site that has descriptions of objects like the lightsaber and "events" like Battle of the Line deletes articles about actual people and/or places because they aren't noteworthy?

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    4. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by Trepidity · · Score: 2, Informative

      Although amusing to ponder, I don't think there's any real question. The deletionist controversy has only ever been over edge cases, some of them high profile, but always swamped by the huge numbers of new articles that nobody's attempted to delete. Even if deletionists won on some really major class of article---delete all Pokemon characters, maybe---it'd at best be only a blip in the time v. # of articles graph.

    5. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by Nihixul · · Score: 2, Informative

      Your point is well-taken, but a subject's noteworthiness does not depend so much upon its literal existence in the real world.

    6. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by mcgrew · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see no irony here. The light saber is iconic, and therefore noteworthy. Babylon Five is noteworthy to the wikipedia editors (and probably most slashdotters). Most people and places aren't. Springfield probably wouldn't be noteworthy had Lincoln not spent most of his life here; it almost certainly wouldn't have become the state capital.

    7. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by A.+B3ttik · · Score: 5, Funny

      What's even funnier is comparing the relative lengths of related articles:

      For instance:

      Pokemon compared to Animal
      Wizard compared to Scientist
      Afghan Civil War compared to Marvel Civil War
      Emperor Palpatine compared to Emperor Charles IV
      Klingon Language compared to Mandarin Chinese

    8. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Well, Francis Holburne just got slashdotted, so he's probably more noteworthy now.

    9. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by linhares · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Which brings up the next obvious question: Will the next milestone be 4 million articles, or 2 million articles!

      Actually, you're pointing out a serious flaw in wikipedia. I believe it's possible that a fork of wikipedia might make to wikipedia what it did to Britannica. Think about this:

      Deletionists have a mindset from those pre-web days; an article about paper cutters might very well have been deleted on Sept 10th 2001. If the article you're thinking is on another encyclopedia, then that's no good for your encyclopedia.

      Also, I've never seen anybody in Academia or Business use wikipedia as a source (this of course is no surprise to anyone). But THE POINT is: if your encyclopedia is NOT a "reliable source"; then WTF is wrong with your encyclopedia?

      I think at least these two obstacles prevent a major challenge for wikipedia to sustain itself in face of challengers. I don't know if wikipedia is sustainable as it is today. Oh, and google is craving to place ads in the web's encyclopedia, by the way.

    10. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by H0p313ss · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ebonics has its own grammar and established vocabulary?

      So do Klingon and Elvish

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    11. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by dedazo · · Score: 2, Insightful

      But THE POINT is: if your encyclopedia is NOT a "reliable source"; then WTF is wrong with your encyclopedia?

      Wikipedia is the largest organized compendium of popular culture in the history of the human race. It has some encyclopedic content, and happens to be massively cross-referenced, so some people call it an "encyclopedia".

      I like Wikipedia. I read it sometimes when I'm bored. It is undoubtedly valuable in many ways. But it's not an encyclopedia by any stretch of the imagination. A culture that shuns subject matter experts and at the same time pretends to inform me about said subjects may be entertaining, but never trustworthy.

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    12. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by invalid_user · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I totally agree.

      I personally would also like to separate out all the entries regarding contemporary entertainment (movie makers, actors, actresses, pop music, cartoons/anime, video games), from things of real concerns... but that is of secondary importance.

      The fictional stuffs which currently plagues Wiki, however, is a real threat, because it makes pseudo-achievement looks equal to real achievement. Actually doing science is much harder, and much less glamorous than making a sci-fi movie. If both are given equal honor I think people will become less and less prone to doing the former.

      Or maybe I worry too much...

    13. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by xaxa · · Score: 2, Funny

      What's the problem with the extra articles? They don't interfere with the "real" ones (whichever those are), and the category system serves to, well... categorise them. I've never come across an article on Pokemon, X-files or Star Trek, but if I needed some information on them I'd know where to look^W^W^W^Wkill myself.

    14. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by I.M.O.G. · · Score: 5, Insightful

      A culture that shuns subject matter experts and at the same time pretends to inform me about said subjects may be entertaining, but never trustworthy.

      This implies wikipedia shuns subject matter experts. This is a popularly circulated stance which has no grounding in fact. They happily accept material from subject matter experts, they just require that the subject matter experts reference their published material which shows them as subject matter experts.

      If someone speaks as an authority on a topic in wikipedia, I should be able to refer to the sources they cite in order to determine how much weight I place in the statements I read. I do not want to go to Wikipedia and read un-cited "expert testimony" from the internet. It is both reasonable and wise to expect that any subject matter expert should be able to provide reference of published work.

    15. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by DaleGlass · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I disagree.

      I want a wikipedia with absolutely everything in existence in it. Pokemon, Star Trek, every single general that participated in WWII, and a page for every cat whose owner wants to make one thrown in for good measure.

      I never had a problem with there being too much stuff in wikipedia, I keep bumping into that there's too little, because some obscure trivia that I actually find helpful got removed.

      IMO, at this rate wikipedia will end up dying, because they need donations, and every time I find something I liked gone I decide not to give them anything. I'm probably not the only one who thinks that way.

    16. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by lokiomega · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Agreed. I like everything. I think what makes Wikipedia most useful is the trivia. It makes it a more useful information compendium than even Google.

    17. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by dedazo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Right, I suppose "shuns experts" was a bit vague. Let me clarify. Wikipedia is the place where an expert's credentials and experience are no match for an unknown conspiracy theorist who has decided an article must include certain content _he_ believes is perfectly valid and useful to mankind.

      That joke about the astrophysicist having to contend with the kid from Kansas who owns a book that talks about the laser-wielding sharks at the center of the galaxy, while humorous, has a well-documented basis in reality.

      So no, I suppose Wikipedia doesn't shun experts. It just insults their intelligence. Or it makes them go through a number of exciting and mind-numbing procedures that only the regulars know how to emerge victorious from.

      Authoritative-sounding proclamations from people like you about what Wikipedia is supposed to be are very different from what it actually is, and you all know that quite well.

      The last time I edited a Wikipedia article in 2006 my changes were reverted by one of those zealous article owners (which I'm told by people like you are not supposed to exist), and I was later banned from editing for three days by one of his administrator buddies. Not by him you understand, by his buddy. I was given the choice to "file a content dispute" or something like that. All over a paragraph added to the article about an 80s rock band from Argentina. With a perfectly acceptable backing source, by the way.

      Do you think actual experts on important topics would go through that kind of bullshit? They don't. Because not only do you have to be an expert on your field to successfully contribute to Wikipedia. You have to be an expert on Wikibullshit as well. And most people don't have time for that kind of thing. So very few articles ever actually benefit from any sort of real expertise.

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    18. Re:And then it was proptly deleted by mdwh2 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I want a wikipedia with absolutely everything verifiable in existence in it.

      Fixed that for you. This may have been what you meant, but it's an important point - in many cases, material isn't deleted for being non-notable, but because it isn't verifiable - with no reliable 3rd party sources, we have no idea if it's true, or something someone just made up.

      But aside from that, I do agree, in that I lean towards the liberal end of notability. I feel that as long as it's got 3rd party reliable sources, I usually don't see any reason to delete it on grounds of non-notability.

      I've sometimes tried to invoke the argument more notable than Spells in Harry Potter in deletion debates, but it doesn't always work.

      IMO, at this rate wikipedia will end up dying, because they need donations, and every time I find something I liked gone I decide not to give them anything. I'm probably not the only one who thinks that way.

      Although equally we have people who complain about Wikipedia having "too much non-notable stuff". Indeed, that's why the argument exists in the first place! What makes you think that the "deletionists" don't contribute to the site? You're not the only one who donates.

  2. And that's... by MyLongNickName · · Score: 5, Funny

    And for those of you keeping track, that's roughly 50,000 non-Manga/anime/Simpson's related articles.

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    1. Re:And that's... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Funny
    2. Re:And that's... by $RANDOMLUSER · · Score: 2, Insightful

      And 5 million reverts.

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    3. Re:And that's... by Finallyjoined!!! · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Spot on.

      When you have some time to kill, just keep clicking the "Random Article" link. By gum lad, there's some shite on that there Wikipedia.

      I edited once, my own village's page FFS, some of the dross on there was laughable, and obviously cribbed from some online tourist agency. After I corrected some blatant rubbish, some uber-tosser later reverted the edits, because apparently it was not a "NPOV".

      What's that all about?

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    4. Re:And that's... by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Interesting

      When you have some time to kill, just keep clicking the "Random Article" link. By gum lad, there's some shite on that there Wikipedia.

      First random article: Thomas Fitzherbert, an English Jesuit. Born in the 16th century, lived to be 88 years old. That's pretty impressive for those days.
      Second random article: Chhota Saula, a village in Bangladesh.
      Third random article: Some mafia dude named James Emma. How do you shake someone down for protection money with a name like Emma???
      Fourth random article: Shri Devi, navigation page for a Hindi and Buddhist deity.
      Fifth random article: Dan Nicolae Potra, some Romanian gymnast dude.

      And my attempt at a sixth one timed out. Guess Wikipedia is bogging down today. Kind of surprised I didn't get any garbage to be honest with you. Maybe the pseudorandom number generator gods are smiling upon me today?

      I edited once, my own village's page FFS, some of the dross on there was laughable, and obviously cribbed from some online tourist agency. After I corrected some blatant rubbish, some uber-tosser later reverted the edits, because apparently it was not a "NPOV".

      I edited the homepage for my city with a population of "50,000" to include information above and beyond the generic census data that every township as and they were reverted as not being "noteworthy". Gotta love it! On the flip side, if I ever need a summary of every single Babylon 5 episode, I know where to go.....

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    5. Re:And that's... by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I had the same experience trying to add up to date informaton in 2006. I needed cataract surgery, so the first place I went to satisfy my curiosity about it was wikipedia. My surgeon had told me about a new type of implant, an accomodating (ficusing) lens which wasn't mentioned in the article. I think my edits were erased in onl;y a few hours; they didn't even bother doing a google search. I tried to update it several time, without success. I stopped editing wikipedia then; it's a futile effort.

      Interestingly, I mentioned that in a slashdot comment, and the accomodating IOL was added that day, and stayed.

    6. Re:And that's... by savanik · · Score: 2, Interesting
      • Stub about BocaiÃva, a region in Brazil.
      • Stub about The Gaucho, a movie I've never heard of.
      • Stub about Moorkkanad, a village in India
      • Stub about GrÃ¥kallen, a mountain in Norway somewhere.
      • Stub about Canfield Casino and Congress Park, New York
      • Stub about Sport Mastermind, a quiz show from BBC.

      So here's to the three millionth stub - congratulations, everybody! Somebody let me know when Wikipedia takes 'notability' seriously.

  3. Crazy but true. by grub · · Score: 5, Funny


    Beate Eriksen (who?) will be more famous for being the 3,000,000th wiki article than for his acting skills.

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    1. Re:Crazy but true. by hansamurai · · Score: 4, Funny

      Especially when you can't even get her gender right.

  4. Re:The "3 million barrier" by larry+bagina · · Score: 2, Funny

    You could count them, but that would be original research.

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  5. Re:The "3 million barrier" by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 4, Funny

    And no, you can't go to Wikipedia and count, because that would be "original research." Wait for someone to tweet about it - THERE's your proof.
    ;)

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  6. Beate Ericksen! by GPLDAN · · Score: 2, Funny

    Poor Beate. He now knows he's only the 3 millionth thing people got around to caring about.


    Beate baby - gotta work on your rep! Get a new agent. Have a scandal with an underage girl. No wait, this is Norway, make it a boy. You'll never make it into the post-apocalyptic ark that Norway is building in the Fjords at this rate!

    1. Re:Beate Ericksen! by Desler · · Score: 2, Informative

      Beate

      He

      Did Beate recently get a sex change or something? Last time I checked, Beate was a female.

    2. Re:Beate Ericksen! by LandDolphin · · Score: 2, Funny

      Not according to Wikipedia!

      /Hold on, I have to make a quick edit

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  7. What's special about three million? by line-bundle · · Score: 4, Funny

    I am personally waiting for it to reach 3294199.

    (For those of you mathematically illiterate that number is pi*(2^20).)

    Wake me up when we get there.

    1. Re:What's special about three million? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      For sufficiently large values of 3.

  8. Let me defend the Wikipedia here by Ex-Linux-Fanboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Let me quickly defend the Wikipedia here: Yes, the deletionists are annoying. However, there is a reason why "non-notable" articles are deleted: To minimize the number of articles that have to be watched to make sure spammers and vandals don't damage the articles.

    Every time someone makes an article, that's one more article admins have to baby-sit. Even with thousands of people looking for spam and vandalism, there's a lot of subtle vandalism that gets in under the radar.

    If every single high school or every single garage band or every single webcomic had a Wikipedia article, it would strain the admins ever more.

    It's amazing that admins are able to keep the vandalism under control as much as they have been able to. Wikipedia is an Alexa top 10 site (I can't say the same for Slashdot, not by a long margin), and its purpose is to provide useful information for readers. Which is does very well. Yes, the Wiki is imperfect, and, yes, it has admins who have power trips, but the system works.

    1. Re:Let me defend the Wikipedia here by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If that is the reason, than it sounds like what is needed is a method, perhaps some flavor of tagging, for indicating salience/likely level of admin attention. Have it sort of like those "no lifeguards on duty" signs. Sure, there aren't enough lifeguards to cover all possible swimming locations; but you don't coat all the beaches you can't watch with razor wire, you just let people know that nobody is even going to notice if they drown there.

      On wikipedia, the same basic thing would apply. If you wander into a low interest/low traffic area, you'd have a little notice at the top of the page, telling you that this is a minimally trafficked article, and anybody could have scrawled anything on it, and nobody would notice.

      With storage costs(particularly for minimally formatted text) so damn low, you don't save much by deleting(and you potentially lose something by doing so) which makes some means of organization that allows a compromise much more attractive.

    2. Re:Let me defend the Wikipedia here by ajs · · Score: 2, Interesting

      That excuse was invalid when it was first asserted, and is equally invalid today. The claim is that at 1million articles, Wikipedia was at the bursting point, and deletion was necessary to keep spam and abuse at bay. Now the claim is that at 3mil, WP is at the bursting point, and deletion is necessary to keep spam and abuse at bay. Guess what, neither was true.

      Wikipedia could allow articles about everything anyone ever cared about in a reasonable way, without any loss of quality overall if it started from the premise that every possible string of letters on length n or less (where n is the maximum allowed length in MediaWiki) is a valid article. It just requires a tiered system of article management. I don't think that an article about Simpson characters' nose lengths should show up in initial search results. However, I don't understand the seemingly "natural" desire to exclude such an article from an online database of the collected knowledge of mankind. How is a censored list of articles ever to be exhaustive? Is it somehow more comprehensive because it's censored based on popular consensus rather than societal taboos? I don't think so.

    3. Re:Let me defend the Wikipedia here by gambino21 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why would the admins have to watch these pages? Does it even matter if there is vandalism or spam on a page about some small garage band or anime episode X? The people (if any) who are interested in those pages are the ones who will notice or care if there is spamdalism on those pages, and I'm sure many of them would be happy to fix it. The reason wikipedia is successful I believe has a lot more to do with the decentralization of administration than the diligent efforts of the deletionist admins.

      Just as an example, let's say I go to a page about important topic A (let's say Obama's page) this causes me to follow links to several other relevant topics (Health care, economy, etc). Where in this scenario will I be affected by the spam on the page of Joe the garage band member?

      Another scenario, I know Joe the garage band member and I look up his band on wikipedia. Oops, it has an add for penis enlargement. Since I know Joe I check the history and revert the changes to see the page. Compare this with going to Joe's bands page and finding nothing. I spend 20 minutes writing something up. The next day it is deleted. Now the next person who goes to the page after seeing Joe's band at a local bar also finds no information on wikipedia.

      My main point is that an article with history and spam is better than no article at all. It doesn't matter if the admin's can't monitor all the pages about every trivial topic, no one expects them to. I think a non-deletionist wiki could beat wikipedia in the long run. The problem is that wikipedia just has so much momentum that it would be very tough for a new site to catch up.

    4. Re:Let me defend the Wikipedia here by Tweenk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Every time someone makes an article, that's one more article admins have to baby-sit.

      If admins have to babysit each article, something is wrong. And in fact they don't have to. There are already spam prevention bots that do it for them. The entire deletionist argument has absolutely no standing, and is only a weak attempt of control freaks to justify their behavior.

      It's amazing that admins are able to keep the vandalism under control as much as they have been able to.

      Keeping vandalism under control is actually easy because they can't really delete anything - everything is preserved in the revsion history. And the common trait of people responsible for vandalism is that they are easily bored - revert them 2 or 3 times and they will never come back.

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  9. Re:It's come a long way by Ex-Linux-Fanboy · · Score: 4, Informative

    [citation needed]

    Seriously, mods, please check to see if stuff like this is real by checking out sources before modding posts up.

  10. on friday by Tom · · Score: 3, Funny

    in other news, the english Wikipedia is expected to reach 2.5 million articles by friday, when all the deletionists are back from their holidays and are back on track again.

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  11. Holding out for the 30 millionth article... by Lev13than · · Score: 4, Funny

    Congratulations to Wikipedia for celebrating this historic ***ERIC IS A FAG*** milestone, only 750 years in the making!

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  12. Re:It's come a long way by Trepidity · · Score: 5, Informative

    Lest anyone be confused:

    1. WikiWikiWeb was founded by Ward Cunningham, not Jimmy Wales; and focused on cataloguing software patterns, not Simpsons episodes.

    2. The direct precursor to Wikipedia was MeatballWiki, a wiki based on a new wiki engine, UseModWiki (which Wikipedia would adopt for its initial period), and focused on online culture.

    3. Wikipedia was formed as a side project of Nupedia, an attempt to produce an open-content encyclopedia along more traditional lines (get volunteer writers, editors, a review process, have professors submit draft manuscripts, attach author names---usually a single author---to articles, etc.). The idea was that Wikipedia could be used as work space where people collected and organized the information, making it easier to write Nupedia articles. It never really cracked up that way, as the workspace itself quickly became a lot better encyclopedia than Nupedia ever was.

  13. Re:It's come a long way by MyLongNickName · · Score: 2, Informative

    I am not sure whether to despise or marvel at above poster. He consistenly posts drivel yet gets modded up just as consistently. I have read several of his posts where he puts together lengthy words that mean absolutely nothing when put beside each other. Yet, despite being utter non-sense (far beyond an argument that makes no sense, really, truly nonsensical) he gets modded up to +4 and +5.

    See this post, which at one time made it to +5 Insightful: http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1335281&cid=29052559&art_pos=4. Then go through the rest of his posting history.

    Much like a train wreck, I can't take my eyes off of these posts and the ensuing up mods. I think I have answered my own question. This man is a troll. But a damn good one.

    And Slashdot should run a query and find anyone who has modded him up. Then they should not only ban these people from modding, but from visiting Slashdot at all.

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  14. Notability defined by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Anybody else find it ironic that the site that has descriptions of objects like the lightsaber and "events" like Battle of the Line deletes articles about actual people and/or places because they aren't noteworthy?

    Not especially. Wikipedia defines notability as "several different reliable sources have written about it", irrespective of whether the subject exists in the real world or only in fiction. The best-known melee weapon from the Star Wars films certainly qualifies.

  15. Pet peeve: round numbers are not barriers by JoeBuck · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I guess it's too late to stop people from claiming that a barrier has been broken whenever some round number has been exceeded. The sound barrier was a real barrier, in that aerodynamics works very differently above and below the speed of sound, meaning that engineering a plane to fly stably above the speed of sound was a nontrivial undertaking. But it was no harder to write article number 3 million than article number 2,999,999. There was no barrier.

  16. A Pause for Pidgey. by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've mentioned the sad case of Pidgey before, but considering this milestone, I think it's worth bringing it up again.

    Pidgey is a Pokemon. In February 2007, Pidgey had his own page at Wikipedia. You could go there and see a small template(since deleted) explaining to you what Pidgey is and various other pieces of information about him. It was objectively a useful resource.

    Pidgey no longer has a page. Pidgey has a paragraph. A tragically short and dry affair devoid of even the most basic image. One can learn very little about Pidgey from reading it. And why is this? Why must Pidgey be so excised from the the site? Because he is a Pokemon? Does being a cartoon character or a children's toy or anything else automatically make something unworthy of a few kilobytes of page space on the the supposed repository of all the world's knowledge. The sad fact is that answer to that question is a resounding YES.

    "A page for every Pokemon" was once used as a derogatory remark about Wikipedia. Evidently, enough faceless wikicrats took exception to this and decided to purge all mention of Pidgey and all the rest of the Pokemon, beyond the barest minimum of exposure, to make sure Wikipedia was regarded as a "professional" and "encyclopedic" resource. Pidgey and the Pokemon, and countless others have been subjected to the digital equivalent of a book burning by people who held an opinion that certain information was not "worthy" of archival. This from the same crowd of people who think that the Cloud Gate, Wood Badges, Ima Hogg and Books on the psychology of Est are all topics worthy enough to be Featured Articles. Compared to such worthies, perhaps Pidgey, merely part of a 5 billion dollar franchise, does fall a little short. But as short as all that?

    Technology is improving, access to knowledge and the cost of providing it are plummeting; Yet Wikipedia's growth is slowing. Pidgey is merely a symptom of the underlying decay present in the online encyclopedia. His purge was less about practicalities than it was about running Wikipedia in a way at odds with it ostensibly free, open and inclusive nature. His fate was the result of all information on Wikipedia that falls under the baleful eyes of those editors with opinions and the power to exercise them.

    Pidgey's was not the first page to be purged from Wikipedia, nor the most important. But it will not be the last, or the smallest.

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  17. Re:It's come a long way by MyLongNickName · · Score: 3, Funny

    Have you gone through his posting history? Seriously, read my entire post instead of just one sentence. I tell you, this man is brilliant.

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  18. Ebonics, etc by Nerdposeur · · Score: 2, Insightful

    True, but I would argue that Ebonics is a more valid and complete language/dialect, being that it arose naturally.

    For those who haven't studied linguistics, yes, every dialect has its own grammatical rules. Those who speak a dialect learn the rules by example rather than from books - the same way you know (if you're a native English speaker) that "the big red ball" is correct and "the red big ball" is incorrect. Nobody taught you that. Most of the rules of language, in fact, are embedded in your brain before you ever go to school - how else could you talk?

    In the same way, dialects like Ebonics have rules that insiders know without learning them from a book. Those people can understand each other, so it's perfectly valid language. And just like say, Spanish evolved from "backwoods" Latin, Ebonics could conceivably become an independent language.

    Yes, anybody who wants to succeed in business needs to be able to speak and write "standard" English (the one used in Universities and businesses) to make a good impression and communicate with people of varying races and backgrounds. But there's nothing wrong with using Ebonics, or any other "uneducated" dialect, among friends.

    1. Re:Ebonics, etc by davidphogan74 · · Score: 2, Funny

      the same way you know (if you're a native English speaker) that "the big red ball" is correct and "the red big ball" is incorrect. Nobody taught you that.

      Me and my friends can disagree that language is best recieved by example instead of from the the educations.

    2. Re:Ebonics, etc by SilverEyes · · Score: 3, Funny

      Ah... associativity. Luckily, lojban will help solve this ambiguity. People just need to learn it. Quick, everyone get out of the universe!

      How many lojban speakers does it take to fix a broken light bulb?

      Three. One to fix the bulb, and two to argue about what kind of bulb emits broken light.

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    3. Re:Ebonics, etc by Kjella · · Score: 4, Interesting

      True, but I would argue that Ebonics is a more valid and complete language/dialect, being that it arose naturally.

      I guess it's nonsense to call anything spoken by real people invalid or incomplete, but Tolkien was just crazy about languages. He spoke many, knew more and was highly interested in their structure. He just as much created the books around the language as the other way around, at least Sindarin for the elves. What he created is probably as natural as any real language, perhaps even more since it's shaped around one man's linguistic vision and not centuries of collected oddities that crop up.

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    4. Re:Ebonics, etc by Fujisawa+Sensei · · Score: 4, Funny

      True, but I would argue that Ebonics is a more valid and complete language/dialect, being that it arose naturally.

      For those who haven't studied linguistics, yes, every dialect has its own grammatical rules. Those who speak a dialect learn the rules by example rather than from books - the same way you know (if you're a native English speaker) that "the big red ball" is correct and "the red big ball" is incorrect. Nobody taught you that. Most of the rules of language, in fact, are embedded in your brain before you ever go to school - how else could you talk?

      I suggest you go to Columbus, Ga and try to order something more complicated than "number 7 with Coke" from the drive-through.

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