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How To Prove Someone Is Female?

krou writes "Caster Semenya won the 800m at the World Athletics Championship in blistering style, leaving her competitors in the dust, but she has been thrown into the midst of a scandal amidst claims that she's not really a woman. According to the many press reports, she's believed to shave, is flat chested, has a very masculine physique, previously preferred playing physical games with boys, and shunned traditional female activities and clothing. Questions about her gender have dogged her entire career. Previously, acceptance that she is a women relied on simple inspection of female genitals. But now the IAAF claim that they want to conduct further tests to see if 'she may have a rare medical condition that gives her an unfair advantage.' An IAAF spokesmen noted that 'The [testing] process was started after Semenya made her startling breakthroughs — a 25-second improvement at 1500m and eight seconds at 800m, just some weeks ago.' I'm curious what the Slashdot community thinks: what can be considered proof of someone being male or female? Is it simply a case of having the right genitals, or are there other criteria that should be used? Is the IAAF right in claiming that someone should be prevented from competing because they have a rare medical or genetic advantage?"

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  1. Re:Easy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll

    Oh, that's right. I forgot there's only two options and no possibility of deviation from those options AT ALL.

    Fucking moron.

  2. Re:Not so damn easy by myowntrueself · · Score: 0, Troll

    Just like people can develop ambiguous genitals or chromosomes, some people develop a psychological gender similar to the opposite biological sex..

    That would be a neurosis.

    If they are taking hormones to support their neurosis then that'd likely count as 'doping' and they'd be banned for being a 'drug cheat'.

    Otherwise they should enter events based on what you'd see when looking at their nuclei under the microscope.

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    In the free world the media isn't government run; the government is media run.
  3. Stupidity by Nekomusume · · Score: 0, Troll

    "she may have a rare medical condition that gives her an unfair advantage."

    If it's a medical condition, it's fair. Deal with it.

  4. Re:Bloody difficult. by StikyPad · · Score: 1, Troll

    Either that, or you have to create the Hermaphrodite Olympics.

    Or we could just accept that people are the gender they say they are. There simply are no pure scientific definitions of male or female, and even XX females can have hormonal abnormalities that increase physical abilities. To discriminate beyond that -- even for transgenders, is simply beyond the scope of the Olympic committee, IMO. How many historical athletes could have had similar disabilities? Should we dig them up and strip their accomplishments as well?

    Which brings me to my next point: I don't believe that "performance enhancing substances" should be banned either. Should a scientist be disqualified from winning a Nobel because he takes medicine for ADHD? Of course not. The accomplishments are no less real, even if he has improved his attention beyond a "normal" individual's level (which isn't uncommon -- just like some people with glasses or contacts can see better than 20/20). Yes, there are negative consequences to taking some substances, especially in quantity, but people should be in control of their own destinies. If they're willing to risk heart disease down the road for the sake of physical performance, then so be it. There are people engaging in other activities that carry equal or greater risks for much less noble purposes.

  5. Ikea Test by piltdownman84 · · Score: 1, Troll

    Give her an Ikea desk in box, if she reads the instructions she is a woman, if not he is a man.