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space_in_your_face writes "Want to boost the popularity of your latest iPhone app? Ask Reverb Communications! 'When it comes to winning in the App Store, this PR firm has discovered a dynamite strategy: throw ethics out the window. Reverb Communications, a PR firm that represents dozens of game publishers and developers, has managed to find astounding success on Apple's App Store for its clients. Among its various tactics? It hires a team of interns to trawl iTunes and other community forums posing as real users, and has them write positive reviews for their client's applications. ... Reverb claims that their clients have sold over $2 billion of product under their watch.'"

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  1. Astroturf... by Moof123 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When in doubt, lie, cheat, and steal. Strong ethics and morales will get you nowhere in this world kids.

    1. Re:Astroturf... by davidphogan74 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It happens to everything from hotels to restaurants to ISP's. Why not for the App Store?

    2. Re:Astroturf... by LaskoVortex · · Score: 5, Funny

      When in doubt, lie, cheat, and steal. Strong ethics and morales will get you nowhere in this world kids.

      Yes, this is true. At Petroleum Conglomerate (R), a friendly family owned company I know of, they have the strongest ethics. I think they are a real model that other companies should follow, with a strong core of values and a clear mission to improve the world through intelligent energy solutions. This is in stark contrast to the public image some would have you believe. In fact, they have teamed with Tobacco International (R) and with Weapons Systems Technological (R) to donate a percent of their proceeds to charities. I even heard that they are all having a 20% off sale until the end of the month. I know I'm going to order some oil, smokes, and a STA missile right now! You should too! (Offer may not be valid in all areas.)

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    3. Re:Astroturf... by rthille · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Sincerity is the secret to success.

      Once you can fake that, you've got it made!

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    4. Re:Astroturf... by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      There is a movement in the PR Industry to end astroturfing.

      Man, the NewPR is great, iddn't it? It isn't utter crap like those other PR sites.

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    5. Re:Astroturf... by The+Qube · · Score: 5, Interesting

      You only have to do that if you have a low-quality product. My app, Virtual Cricket, competes in a reasonably crowded segment (cricket scores, push alerts etc) and competes against some pretty heavy competition (ESPN, BSkyB etc).

      However, I have a quality product and it was recognised as such by Apple who selected the app as the featured app in the App Store. This did more for my sales than spamming online forums etc.

      Lesson: quality wins in the end.

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  2. Not news by riceboy50 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Companies have been doing this at other places, like Amazon.com, for years. Buyers beware.

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    1. Re:Not news by brkello · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait, what??? You mean my Three Wolf Moon T-shirt really won't score me any dates? Should I cancel my Zubaz pants as well?

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    2. Re:Not news by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I never got why amazon didn't limit reviews to people who had bought the book, (while it doesn't stop this it makes it a more costly business, I find it particularly surprising that a company with as much control over their system as apple don't limit reviews to app purchasers.

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    3. Re:Not news by mybecq · · Score: 4, Informative

      I find it particularly surprising that a company with as much control over their system as apple don't limit reviews to app purchasers

      Apparently they started doing that in Feb 2009.

  3. Who actually cares about the "good" ratings? by Rabbitt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally, I find the 0 - 3 star ratings more telling about an app than the 4 or 5 star (fanboy) ratings. In general, when I want to find out about a product, I like to read the negative to moderate reviews because they seem to be more honest about potential problems. What do you guys think/do?

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    1. Re:Who actually cares about the "good" ratings? by CannonballHead · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think both. I find that the more specific they are about things I'm interested in, the more it turns out that's actually a good description about the product. Both negative and positive reviews can be faked for various reasons.

    2. Re:Who actually cares about the "good" ratings? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      But suppose an app were absolutely perfect. Then what happens?

      To quote xkcd, "Somewhere out there is a company that has actually figured out how to enlarge penises, and it's helpless to reach potential customers."

    3. Re:Who actually cares about the "good" ratings? by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What, you don't think they game 0 - 3-star ratings? That's delusional. They already caught on - you'll notice this a lot at Amazon, pay attention when you just sold yourself the book based on a low review. There are several tactics used, like "I bought it for (random-reason X) so IF you are in (really-small-niche X), DON'T BUY, it's meant for (as-written-on-label purpose Y)"

  4. It could be illegal. by Albert+Schueller · · Score: 5, Interesting

    "Among its various tactics? It hires a team of interns to trawl iTunes and other community forums posing as real users, and has them write positive reviews for their client's applications."

    Just so we're all clear, this is already illegal. If they are engaging in this kind of activity, then it's just a law enforcement issue.

    1. Re:It could be illegal. by TheRealDogByte · · Score: 4, Informative

      In Europe, at least, this comes under the Unfair Commercial Practices Directive: http://ec.europa.eu/consumers/rights/ Here's a more friendly synopsis: http://www.seomoz.org/blog/new-uk-law-criminalizes-stealth-marketing-techniques

  5. Re:And we're giving them /. publicity why? by seanadams.com · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Do you suggest we pretend the evil people don't exist? I imagine the story is intended to out them as the scum they are, not give them publicity.

    Trust me they are thrilled to get "bad" press like this. Anyone who hires spammers, SEO outfits, direct mail companies, shills and the like knows full well that these practices are objectionable to most of society. Picking one firm and giving them front page coverage, saying they're the worst of the worst, is just going to send hordes of unscrupulous paying clients to their doors.

  6. Re:And we're giving them /. publicity why? by NoPantsJim · · Score: 4, Funny

    You're 100% correct. Although I probably would never do this, the first thought that popped into my head was "Hey, I should bookmark this in case I ever get around to writing that app".

  7. Obviously... by thestudio_bob · · Score: 5, Funny

    Obviously one of their interns is also a /. sumitter.

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  8. Internally it's called "viral marketing", by Hurricane78 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    and it's an old hat with pretty much every professional marketing company. Either employees are asked to post things, or they hire some external people, like in this example.

    I have seen it, I have even been asked to do it*, and from what I know, it's pretty much an expected standard.
    Music, games, books, websites, other products, you name it...

    The only difference is, that real professional companies have a "don't ask, don't tell" policy about it, and the only person asking is your direct boss, in private.

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    * and lied about actually doing it, like most people in the company at that time, because half the staff just got fired because of management incompetence

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  9. Yeah, but seriously... by PCM2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So what is the value of a dollar? A beer? Nope. A newspaper? Not the New York Times. A pack of gum? Not the fancy "winter-blast" chiclet kind. A comic book? Not in years. Paperback book? Sure, if you can get seven more dollars. Let's see... that leaves us with a can of Coke (but not a bottle), or maybe a candy bar (but not the king sized kind).

    But let's raise the stakes a little bit... what's the value of a dollar when you're stuck in an airport? Anyone? Anyone..? So if you can kill a four hour layover in an airport by spending $1 to download a "trivial airport game," I'd say that sounds like a marker for market success, not failure.

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  10. Because it's a bad idea by jpmorgan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    That's not really going to stop an unscrupulous publisher or author. Let's say you want to astroturf Amazon a hundred times... so you buy your book a hundred times. That costs what... $1000-$2000? That's dirt cheap advertising. And if you get your royalties on the book sale and you get a copy of the book, which you can then sell back through Amazon again.

    Meanwhile, a bunch of people who have bought your book, and would like to write about how much it stinks, can't. Because they bought it at a normal book store.

  11. Re:How about negative reviews? by iamflimflam1 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Yes they do. My own app Sudoku Grab got a review from someone saying that a competing app was much better. Out of interest I checked to see what other apps this reviewer had reviewed.

    He'd reviewed 6 other competing apps, all of the reviews suggested that customers should buy this other app instead.

    There's not much you can do about it, just have to hope that customers are savvy enough to see through these marketing tricks.

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