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FCC Declares Intention To Enforce Net Neutrality

Unequivocal writes "The FCC chairman, Julius Genachowski, told Congress today that the 'Federal Communications Commission plans to keep the Internet free of increased user fees based on heavy Web traffic and slow downloads. ...Genachowski... told The Hill that his agency will support "net neutrality" and go after anyone who violates its tenets. "One thing I would say so that there is no confusion out there is that this FCC will support net neutrality and will enforce any violation of net neutrality principles," Genachowski said when asked what he could do in his position to keep the Internet fair, free and open to all Americans. The statement by Genachowski comes as the commission remains locked in litigation with Comcast. The cable provider is appealing a court decision by challenging the FCC's authority to penalize the company for limiting Web traffic to its consumers.' It looks like the good guys are winning, unless the appeals court rules against the FCC."

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  1. Let me say.... by iamsolidsnk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I did not see this one coming....

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  2. Careful what you wish for... by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If "Net Neutrality"= "treat traffic the same regardless of source and destination", then GOOD.

    If "Net Neutrality"= "treat traffic the same regardless of protocol", then BAD.

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    1. Re:Careful what you wish for... by Chris+Burke · · Score: 5, Interesting

      If "Net Neutrality"= "treat traffic the same regardless of protocol", then BAD.

      Not in my opinion. I see no reason at all to have policies based on protocol. That's a static decision, and static policy decisions can be inaccurate for any particular connection, out of date or simply ignorant of new protocols, and can/will be largely decided by politics not practicality. I.e. bittorent bad, equally bandwidth heavy streaming protocols from ISP-approved media sites good.

      You can get QoS while remaining protocol agnostic. You simply base the priority for any connection based on the amount of bandwidth it uses. Lower bandwidth, higher priority. Low-bandwidth latency-sensitive apps like VOIP work perfectly without having their protocol recognized, bulk data transfers are deprioritized but still get plenty of bandwidth (because the higher priority connections are by definition not using much) again without the protocol mattering. If you try to game the system by sending bulk data transfers though VOIP protocols, then you still get downgraded, while a static system would fail.

      The only cases it doesn't work for are cases where there's not much you can do anyway -- like live (as in no buffering) streaming video.

      What I don't know is if there is any routers out there that do this, or if it's still considered too much memory to keep the connection state info around for packets that are just passing through.

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  3. Re:I guess Canada should be on watch by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Canada doesn't give two shits about what the FCC has to say about net neutrality.

    The CRTC has been actively working against the entire idea of net neutrality, and the very few providers that don't have to answer to the CRTC perform lovely things like AD insertion/replacement and falsifying DNS, not to mention throttling competitor's VoIP service (but, of course, not their own).

    Canada has the sort of internet you find in the 3rd world. The only difference being not the price, nor the bandwidth (the price and average available bandwidth is in-line with most 3rd internet world pricing) but rather the caps on the service (most 3rd world countries have somewhat smaller caps).

    Way to go, Canada!

  4. Re:Cue complaints by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Well, to be fair this does seem like the kind of thing that should be established in, you know, a law or act or something. Not just one commission saying, "We've decided this is illegal now and will enforce it". I'd much rather see this on the books as a semi-permanent change, rather than something that will be easily reversed when the political winds change direction.

  5. FCC Network Neutrality Principles by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Informative

    If "Net Neutrality"= "treat traffic the same regardless of source and destination", then GOOD.

    If "Net Neutrality"= "treat traffic the same regardless of protocol", then BAD.

    The FCC's Network Neutrality Principles are:

    1. Consumers are entitled to access the lawful Internet content of their choice;
    2. Consumers are entitled to run applications and services of their choice, subject to the needs of law enforcement;
    3. Consumers are entitled to connect their choice of legal devices that do not harm the network;
    4. Consumers are entitled to competition among network providers, application and service providers, and content providers.

    Neither of the principles you state are, as such, strictly necessary to meet those principles.

    That being said, discrimination by source or destination could in some cases violated the principles (e.g., if an ISP that is also a content provider outright blocks access to traffic trying to reach competing content providers over its network, or blocks all port 80 requests, or all requessts that appear to use the HTTP protocol, going to their non-business subscribers IPs.) Likewise, discrimination by protocol might in some cases violate the protocol (indeed, the last example of discrimination by source or destination is also a discrimination by protocol.) Whether deprioritizing rather than outright blocking traffic using certain ports or protocols would violate the principles depends on the circumstances; presumably, deprioritization that made it impractical to use the protocol for its principal purpose would be problematic.

  6. Port blocking is part of Net Neutraility! by pecosdave · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Most of the types who have traffic shaping explained to them - which is what usually happens when politicians are the ones pushing the cause - still don't understand the concept of port blocking.

    When I pay for "Internet Access" I don't expect my service provider to be able to dictate what I can and can't do with my internet connection. This includes hosting my own mail, FTP, and HTTP servers! What business of it is theirs if I post an image on Fark and host it myself?

    As long as you're not spamming and/or doing illegal things they need to back the hell off.

    As far as I'm concerned, if I'm having select ports blocked I am NOT getting "Internet Access".

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  7. Re:Wait a second... by DoofusOfDeath · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >Is it April 1st?

    No, this is what happens when you vote in competent Democrats to run things instead of Republicans like Bush and Cheney.

    I agree. Democrats have consistently stood up for the little guy:

    I think it's time to wake up. Both the Republican and Democratic parties are deeply, deeply corrupt.

  8. Re:principles vs. law by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Informative

    What I'd like to know is on what grounds do they think they can mandate how traffic is managed on ISP networks.

    Presumably because Congress, by law, has given the FCC authority to regulate interstate and foreign communication to acheive policy aims set by Congress, including, for instance, direction "to preserve the vibrant and competitive free market that presently exists for the Internet" and "to promote the continued development of the Internet" and to "encourage the deployment on a reasonable and timely basis of advanced telecommunications capability to all Americans", and also because of the US Supreme Court ruling in Brand X, 545 U.S. 967 (2005) that "the Commission remains free to impose special regulatory duties on facilities-based ISPs under its Title I ancillary jurisdiction."

    (Additional authority is cited in the FCC's Memorandum Opinion and Order in the Comcast case.)

    There are no net neutrality laws.

    No, there are net neutrality principles that the FCC has articulated that it believes are appropriate and necessary to acheive the mandates the FCC has been given by Congress with regard to the internet, and which it intends to use to guide its policymaking in that area.

    "Principle" means jack squat legally.

    True, principles, as such, have no binding force. The FCC Net Neutrality principles, one should note, are essentially a statement of how the Commission intends to acheive the objectives set for it in law, using its existing statutory authority; they aren't asserted to be independent legal authority.

    This leaves a huge hole for ISP's to take the FCC to court for what is essentially a privately delivered service.

    Anyone can take the FCC to court for anything they want; whether they can win or not is another matter.

  9. Re:Cue complaints by Yaos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Remember when the US built out the electrical grid? Or when it built the interstate system? Or when it sent people to the moon? What a bunch of failures.

  10. Shortfalls by kriss · · Score: 5, Informative

    I'm sure it's not in your opinion, but you're sadly oversimplifying or ignoring every use case and ignoring the drivers behind QoS in general. If you want something simplistic and turnkey, there's certainly products out there. Netequalizer springs to mind.

    But hey, let's throw in a few simple examples:

    HTTP downloads vs. Flash video streamed over HTTP. One is decidedly interactive (even if buffering certainly helps), the other one is decidedly non-interactive (even if faster = neater, naturally).

    SIP telephony vs. SIP videoconferencing. Agnosticism per your definition would make the algorithm punish the SIP videocon.

    Or, let's take an even simpler example: P2P. Rather than a few very hungry connections, you get a large number of connections pushing less data per connection.

    One can always argue that service providers should provide enougb bandwidth so that they won't even have to prioritize data the first place. Nice in theory, hard (or simply uneconomic) in practice. Take a cable provider - with a limited upstream bandwidth per channel, you need some sort of fairness. Simple per-plug fairness works to some extent, but you don't really want to punish the puny amount of upstream data your average HTTP request would generate just because the same user is P2P'ing like there's no tomorrow. Makes for a bad user experience.

    When we get to wireless, it gets even messier with the limited and shared upstream and downstream.

    I could go on for a whie, but I believe the point has been made. It's not a case of "You simply XYZ" at all.

  11. Re:Two-edged sword by Tycho · · Score: 5, Informative

    Why was this modded insightful. It should be "-1 ignorant". There is virtually nothing factual or truthful about the parent post about the ICC, it is a rant from either an libertarian extremist or a far-right extremist. Personally, and without looking at the user's other posts, I vote for far-right with a patina of libertarianism. I say this because the poster appears to claim that the Republicans weren't really conservative. Apparently it seems he may have his own custom definition of conservative not shared by the rest of society.

    The article for the ICC at Wikipedia is here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interstate_Commerce_Commission

    According to the parent, the ICC was formed after a dispute over four trucks, especially considering that the article states the ICC was formed in 1887 to regulate railroads. I'm fairly sure that interstate cargo transport would not have been done by ICE trucks. If they existed the existing roads would have not been passable, the relative unreliability of early ICE engines and vehicles is another factor to consider. Even better, in the 1970' and 1980's Congress started taking away powers from the ICC (many were probably just redistributed instead) and in 1995 the ICC was abolished by the Republicans in Congress. The remaining functions of the ICC were distributed to the Surface Transportation Board. Interestingly, the ICC was the model for many other federal agencies like the FCC, SEC, and FTC among others. Its hard to argue against the need for a functional SEC and FTC today at least in a credible manner.

    While personally I would like more people, who are well informed to be involved in a constructive manner with the government. I prefer inactive, but informed individuals rather than people like the parent, who is badly misinformed or who even knows what they are spewing is untrue. While I'm not saying the parent does this, but acting like hooligans nonviolent or otherwise in order to obstruct the government helps no one, not even themselves.

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