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China Admits Use of Death-Row Organs

h.ross.perot writes "Like a page from Larry Niven's Known Space series, here is a real report of criminals' organs being harvested for 'profit.' From the article: 'China is trying to move away from the use of executed prisoners as the major source of organs for transplants. According to the China Daily newspaper, executed prisoners currently provide two-thirds of all transplant organs. The government is now launching a voluntary donation scheme, which it hopes will also curb the illegal trafficking in organs. But analysts say cultural bias against removing organs after death will make a voluntary scheme hard to implement.'"

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  1. A Waste? by Russianspi · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think that it would be a waste NOT to use these organs. The prisoners will be executed either way, might as well make them contribute some good to society to offset whatever they were sentenced to death for. There is a possible conflict of interest, though, if the judges start getting paid off to sentence people to death...

    1. Re:A Waste? by Stormwatch · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If it's profitable to kill, more will be killed. Simple like that.

    2. Re:A Waste? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, if it is profitable to incarcerate, more people will be incarcerated too, right?... welcome to america!

    3. Re:A Waste? by lena_10326 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If there are judges sentencing innocent kids to jail time for kickbacks, then I don't think it's a stretch to assume it would happen with death row inmates and organs. http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/13/us/13judge.html?_r=2&hp

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    4. Re:A Waste? by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Welcome to human nature.

      Why do you think those "reality shows" and afternoon "talk shows" are so popular? Because they show real life and because they give you a real impression of other people's lives, because people are actually genuinely interested how others are doing? Bullcrap. They're popular because they give people someone to point at and say "Gee, I'm not that good... but I'm still way better than them!". It makes people feel good because they can look down at someone and feel good about themselves because they're not as bad off as someone else. I have no job but at least I have fewer bottles lying around in my living room than that bum there. My son smokes and drinks, but at least he's not a deadbeat like that boy at Super Nanny.

      Aspiring to something bigger would require work. Looking down at someone else is much easier.

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    5. Re:A Waste? by dbIII · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Minors have been executed in Texas within the last decade. Even GITMO had minors in there. We can't really play the comparison game here especially since we could always call up Myanmar or North Korea where we can only speculate. We also can not argue from a position of moral superiority without looking stupid.
      We can only really argue whether execution is right, wrong, or the usual justification of execution (or borrowing North Korean torture methods designed to prepare people for show trials) - sometimes.
      Now the organ issue I'm not so worried about since I've registered as an organ donor. The real worry would be if it becomes a new vector for corruption and people are getting killed to get their organs.

    6. Re:A Waste? by smooth+wombat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Iran is -barely- the size of a single state in terms of people.

      Huh? The poster above used CIA figures to show Iran has over 65 million people. What state do you live in that has more than 65 million people? California has just over 35 million and it's the largest.

      For reference. Using that chart, Iran has a population larger than the last 21 states combined.

      Not a single woman was executed,

      Again, huh? Since the reinstatement of the death penalty in 1976, 11 women have been executed in this country. In fact, the last woman to be executed was in 2005 in Texas. If you're counting only federal executions, two women have been executed: Ethel Rosenberg and Bonnie Brown Heady.

      For reference (state data).

      Other than your calculations for the percentage of executions, the rest of your comments are bupkis.

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  2. Re:Israel does this too by DerekLyons · · Score: 5, Insightful

    [Reliable citation needed]

  3. Words Fail Me. by jeko · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I mean, "ghoul" comes to mind, but it's the only one that comes close.

    They are parting people out for profit. Literal chop-shops for human bodies. It's a proposition only the most extreme horror movies have touched. It's the walking definition of Capital-E Evil.

    You have to remember there have been three parts to the accusations. They just ADMITTED to the first one.

    1. That the Chinese were selling organs of condemned prisoners, which they've always denied until now, and
    2. That many of these people were condemned for their political views, and
    3. That many of these people were condemned for being a marketable genotype.

    Dear God. We have a government admittedly selling human organs for profit, the one thing that every medical ethicist in the world has always agreed would be the prima facie standard of "morally and ethically repugnant" and your response is "Waste not, want not"?!

    They are killing people and selling the meat on an open market. I don't care that they're only doing it to the "bad" people. All of the fantasy Halloween monsters are laughable in comparison. Even the Texas Chainsaw family could cry hunger, not greed, as a motive.

    Our beloved trading partners, who probably manufactured half the stuff in my house, are literally selling the human flesh and bone of the people they killed and butchered.

    We don't have the words to fit this crime. I've always had a problem with the idea of an Eternal Hell, but stuff like this makes a strong argument for it.

       

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  4. Re:Be a sensible geek by Opportunist · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Some of us find that keeping people who are genetically weak alive fundamentally wrong.

    And the rest of the people in your head disagree? Or abstain from the vote?

    Smartaleckism aside (sorry, but people using the pluralis majestatis when talking just for themselves really tempt me to reply with something fitting), why? You are aware that by your theory Stephen Hawking should have been dead for a few decades by now, yes? Think the world would be a richer place without him?

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  5. Re:And if you are a Christian? by AdamWeeden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I would say that's a very minority Christian view. I'm a Christian AND a registered organ donor. In fact, here's a listing of various denominations of Christianity (and other religions) and their view of organ donation. Granted I only skimmed the list, but I did not see one that opposed organ donation, and a number that highly recommend it as an act of Christian love.

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