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The Orange Goo That Could Save Your Laptop

Barence writes "A British company has patented what can only be described as an orange goo that could save your laptop or iPod after a nasty fall. The amazing material is soft and malleable like putty, but the substance becomes solid instantly after impact. You can punch your fist into a ball of the material sitting on a desk and not feel a thing, according to the staff at PC Pro who have been testing the material, called 3do. It's being used by the military, the US downhill ski team, and motorcycle clothing manufacturers to provide impact protection in the event of a crash. However, it's also appearing in protective cases for laptops and MP3 players."

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  1. I don't get it.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Isn't the point of protection to absorb the impact? That's why bubble-wrap is squishy. If this instantly turns solid, wouldn't that mean that the g-forces, the energy of the impact is not absorbed by it and is thus transferred to the item inside?

    1. Re:I don't get it.. by h4rm0ny · · Score: 5, Informative


      Presumably the energy is absorbed by it turning solid. Similar in principle (in vague terms) to how the bonnet of a car (hood to USA people) is designed to crumple so that it absorbs the energy of a crash. Afterwards the bonnet is more condensed - harder - but the energy went into making it so, rather than getting transferred on to the rest of the car and the passengers.

      Well the front of normal cars is designed to do that. SUVs are designed to kill people.

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    2. Re:I don't get it.. by ATMD · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I guess there's a limit to the amount of shock it can absorb. I would imagine its properties have been tweaked so that it stops any impact within its own thickness. Obviously if the impacting object is travelling faster, that results in more rapid deceleration and thus more forces transferred to the delicate internally-bits of your laptop. For dropping off a table though, it probably provides the smallest possible deceleration force against the floor, compared to protection materials currently on the market.

      My suspicion would be that rather than rather than causing the linear deceleration of a simple spring constant, (like most other foams, rubbers, etc.), it provides an exponential deceleration: the stopping force in a shear-thickening fluid is proportional to the speed rather than the displacement. This means that the material starts acting from the very moment of impact, as that is the point with the highest speed. A spring, (or foam, or rubber, or anything else that acts like a spring), would do essentially nothing until the impact has squeezed it enough to get a decent counter-force out of it. But by that time it might be too late, and the spring might have already bottomed out. I'd be interested to see some numbers for this gel, to back up the stuff I've just written!
       
      /Disclaimer: Mechanical engineering undergraduate. Don't have my qualification yet; take above post with a pinch of salt.

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    3. Re:I don't get it.. by miffo.swe · · Score: 5, Funny

      "SUVs are designed to kill people."

      SUVs arent designed, that would imply some kind of thinking behind them.

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    4. Re:I don't get it.. by ATMD · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Heh, glad I put that disclaimer there. Stopping force is proportional to velocity, (technically shear rate), in a Newtonian fluid such as water or oil: in a shear-thickening fluid viscosity is proportional to velocity. Viscosity is the proportionality constant linking speed and stopping force, so I guess that makes stopping force proportional to the square of the speed.

      For more info, try these.

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    5. Re:I don't get it.. by k-sound · · Score: 5, Informative

      A squishy material just softens the impact by slowing the deceleration of your momentum. The problem is if the impact force is high you need a lot of padding to soften the blow. By turning solid on impact you material instantly distributes all this force over a large area i.e. all the force isn't released on e.g. the corner of your laptop causing it to shatter. This is similar to putting a hard cover around your object (like a motorcycle helmet). The advantage of this material is that is is flexible in it's normal state so it can met integrated in clothing etc without limiting movement.

      This video has a great example: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JceDaEMIHKE&feature=related
      They use a cap with the material to protect a watermelon from impact with a hammer. With a normal squishy material you'd need a really thick layer to soften a blow like that and a hard material would restrict movement.

      It's a kind of best of both worlds solution.

    6. Re:I don't get it.. by Shin-LaC · · Score: 5, Funny

      Of course. They evolved to be that way, to maximize their fitness in an environment full of size queens.

    7. Re:I don't get it.. by silentcoder · · Score: 4, Informative

      Well... we all know what's in this stuff don't we ? It's custard (possibly with some orange food colorant).

      The behavior described here is identical to that exhibited by custard and other liquids with low viscosity but high surface tension. The effect is that low velocity impacts are passed through easily but high velocity impact causes the surface tension to rapidly increase and prevents entry. To put it bluntly, you can run over a swimming pool full of custard, but you can't walk over one (brainiac did an episode on it, though they could have done a better job of explaining the theory about why it works that way - wikipedia is your friend here - as per their usual script, they were mostly interested in the fun-value of a swimming pool full of custard... the test subject did indeed run over it until he got to the middle, was told to stop... and then sank).

      Now I'm sure it's not actually custard in this goo (well, fairly sure) but the phenomenon is certainly not new and has been known for a while. What seems new is that this is a much lower liquidity and viscosity than most of these substances (it appears to be at the level of clay or playdough rather than a flowing liquid) - which clearly makes for a whole new range of practical applications, since it won't soak into things or leak, you can make things like laptop protective cases lined with the stuff which would be impractical with custard....

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    8. Re:I don't get it.. by Another,+completely · · Score: 2, Interesting

      So it wouldn't save a drive head, since there will be a sudden acceleration, but it might stop the case from deforming so the screen pops out. If I can believe the hype, then we won't have drive heads for much longer anyway. If all the internal bits are well attached, I guess that could be enough.

    9. Re:I don't get it.. by kpainter · · Score: 4, Funny

      Similar in principle (in vague terms) to how the bonnet of a car (hood to USA people) is designed to crumple so that it absorbs the energy of a crash.

      I always assumed that the reason for the crumple was to maximize the cost of repair ultimately necessitating the purchase of a new vehicle.

    10. Re:I don't get it.. by Dekker3D · · Score: 2, Insightful

      wait... "stopping force proportional to the square of the speed"
      so if something impacts it twice as fast, it'll push back four times as much?

      doesn't that mean it'd be perfect in some kind of new body armour? if it's not too heavy to be useful, that is. or just on the parts that need the most protection..

    11. Re:I don't get it.. by PPH · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well the front of normal cars is designed to do that. SUVs are designed to kill people.

      But its the people in the SUV that will be killed . So be happy.

      Most collisions are single vehicle, involving a car with a fixed object. If we assume that most fixed objects are much more rigid than the vehicle, if you have an engineered crush zone, you'll stand a better chance of survival than if you have a rigid frame.

      My SUV is designed so that it's frame doesn't distort when pulling with a winch. A side effect of that is that it has a rigid frame. Too bad for me, but its a decision I made when selecting it. You may feel free to laugh at me when I hit a tree. I laugh as I drive by every poor fool stuck in a snow bank whose car I would destroy trying to winch it out.

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    12. Re:I don't get it.. by SkyDude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Using it on a laptop is silly. The case is already a firm solid. You could get much better protection by just using a harder shell on the laptop.

      Maybe being less clumsy would help? Just a thought......

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    13. Re:I don't get it.. by Muckluck · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Actually, I must take your disclaimer with a pinch of salt. You are an undergraduate, which implies that you are still studying. Since you are studying, this implies that you are using your brain trying to figure things out. This means that you have NOT yet reached the point where you "know it all" because you have been "doing this for years and this is how everything works". Work as hard as you can not to fall into this type of "Engineer Brain" trap. The older I get, the harder it is to fight... Thanks for a well thought out post and follow up. Makes sense to me...

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    14. Re:I don't get it.. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 4, Funny

      Using it on a laptop is silly. The case is already a firm solid

      Plus, most Slashdot users' laptops already have enough goo on them.

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    15. Re:I don't get it.. by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2, Informative

      Presumably the energy is absorbed by it turning solid.

      It sounds a little bit like what you get when you mix cornstarch and water. If you press it slowly, your finger sinks right in as if it's liquid, if you hit it hard, it's solid.

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    16. Re:I don't get it.. by Mister+Whirly · · Score: 3, Interesting
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    17. Re:I don't get it.. by denobug · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes. to fit the poor soccer mom and her four pretty girl in a busy schedule. Or on a long family trip where the parents up front can stop hearing kids constantly asking "are we there yet?"

      I hate to break it to the urban dwellers, but there are plenty of folks in Unites States that lives well outside of the city limits of a major city. I know plenty of folks who dislike the crowded city and choose to live in smaller towns. In the case where driving 100+ miles are short for a family trip over the weekend an SUV of reasonable size is actually very well suited for a family's needs. It is not evil (just as those small-town folks don't call a dirty major metropolitan bad--they just don't like it), it is just a different way of life.

      I'm not suggesting that the we don't need to improve the gas miilage of the SUV category. I just think that the space requirements are truely appealing and there can be a compromise between the space and fuel efficiency, and the fact that one out of several vehicle a family owned in US is an reasonable sized SUV, not necessarily a beast such as a Suburban, is a bad thing.

    18. Re:I don't get it.. by peragrin · · Score: 3, Informative

      SUV's only roll over due to stupid drivers. you really have to make a sharp fast turn to roll an SUV. Like 90 turn at 50mph.

      The biggest probleem is that the average driver can't adjust their driving depending on the type of vehicle. Going from sports car to SUV is very different. They don't handle the same.

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    19. Re:I don't get it.. by NormalVisual · · Score: 4, Funny

      you don't want to go downhill skiing in a Star Wars stormtrooper armour

      Speak for yourself!

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    20. Re:I don't get it.. by Graff · · Score: 3, Informative

      My SUV is designed so that it's frame doesn't distort when pulling with a winch. A side effect of that is that it has a rigid frame. Too bad for me, but its a decision I made when selecting it.

      Rigid under tension is not the same as rigid under compression. Most SUV's are designed with hardened points for towing (tension) but they still have crush zones for accidents (compression). In fact, because of the size, the crush zones in an SUV are often larger and more effective than those in a smaller car.

      Overall, you are safer in an accident when you are in an SUV than when you are in a smaller car. Of course, this does vary according to the type of accident and overall safety design of the vehicle. You also have to factor in that SUV's are more susceptible to some kinds of accidents than other cars.

  2. Re:I've got your goo! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    But is it orange?

  3. Re:typo, as seen on tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like the dyslexia is contagious today.

  4. I'm a little bit skeptical. by ZorbaTHut · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Impact resistance is complicated, but there's parts that are very, very simple. Let's say you drop your laptop from five feet up. When it hits the ground, it'll be going at a certain velocity (I am currently too lazy to calculate it) with a certain amount of momentum. That velocity and momentum will go into crushing the impact point against the ground. If the impact point is forced to decelerate rapidly, and is a small enough point, it'll be subject to a huge amount of force. Boom, shattered plastic.

    Now we add padding. The thing about padding is that it doesn't actually reduce the velocity or momentum in any way (in fact, unless it's literally weightless, it *increases* momentum.) It also doesn't change the basic physical requirements - that momentum will get absorbed somewhere. Guaranteed.

    There's two ways the padding helps. First, it lets your dropped object decelerate more slowly - instead of having to go from fall to stop in a tiny distance (namely, the amount your laptop plastic deforms without permanent damage) it goes from fall to stop in a much larger distance - the distance that the padding can be compressed. (Plus the plastic deformation.)

    Second, it provides - potentially - a larger impact zone, distributing the force more equally over the plastic of the laptop. A force that would shatter a corner may not do much at all distributed over a few square inches.

    The first part, unfortunately, has some very basic physical limits. If the padding is an eighth of an inch thick, it will provide, at most, an eighth of an inch of extra speed reduction. There is just no way to improve this until you fit your shock absorber with little rockets and sensors to determine when it's about to impact the ground.

    The second part is a lot more theoretically capable, but also a whole lot harder to solve. The ideal situation is a material that somehow deforms at the impact spot in exactly the manner that lets it stop at its maximum deformation point, without any extra jerks or impacts, while simultaneously spreading the impact over the entire surface of the protected item.

    That is a damn hard thing to accomplish. If he's succeeded in it, or in anything remotely like it, I'm impressed.

    The press releases seem to feel that d3o is absolutely fantastic for human garments, where the fabric has to be malleable until the impact occurs. That's quite different from electronics protection, where malleability is simply not an issue, and I'm not convinced that it will make the changeover smoothly.

    We'll see.

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    1. Re:I'm a little bit skeptical. by gringer · · Score: 5, Funny

      There is just no way to improve this until you fit your shock absorber with little rockets and sensors to determine when it's about to impact the ground.

      A bit like this, perhaps?

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgXXCSlt7uI

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  5. just need orange food coloring.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    http://recipes.wikia.com/wiki/Magic_mud

  6. Silly Putty? by LS · · Score: 3, Insightful

    And this differs from Silly Putty how?

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    1. Re:Silly Putty? by supernova_hq · · Score: 4, Informative

      It is very similar to silly putty except that it does not "run" when left sitting on a table. The last thing you want your armor to do is pool around your waste.

      My guess is they somehow increased the stiffness of it at the low-velocity stage.

    2. Re:Silly Putty? by EnglishTim · · Score: 5, Funny

      It is very similar to silly putty except that it does not "run" when left sitting on a table. The last thing you want your armor to do is pool around your waste.

      I don't think you'd want your waste to pool around your armour, either...

  7. Goes hard on impact? by jsse · · Score: 4, Funny

    Isn't that something every man wanted? Sounds like a perfect material for condom!

    Though I'd worry orange penis would turn off sex desire.

    1. Re:Goes hard on impact? by pedestrian+crossing · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'd worry orange penis would turn off sex desire.

      You gotta lay off the Cheetos when you're surfing pr0n....

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  8. Re:typo, as seen on tv by rvw · · Score: 4, Informative

    First of, it's 3do (three-dee-oh): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/D3o

    Sorry, but it's d3o!

  9. Old News by SJ2000 · · Score: 4, Informative
    1. Re:Old News by Ma8thew · · Score: 2, Informative

      And you have a huge mess. But this goo retains and will return to its original shape.

  10. cool stuff, but not for this purpose by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    My professor in engineering mechanics showed me a sample of a material with very similar color and characteristics sometime around october '08. Now I know, where I can get a sample for goofing around ;)

    However, this won't protect your precious harddisk. It works very well for protecting humans, mainly because it adapts to the form of the pressing surfaces (aka your head and a wall) and then distributes the pressure over a bigger area. It does almost nothing though for the rate of deceleration - face it, your notebook, falling from the table goes from v^2=2*g*s (s= table height, let's say 0.8m)=4m/s to zero in about - well, let's say 1mm as this stuff gets rigid very quickly. This makes it face a deceleration of 8000g. Hell, let's say 5mm and it's still 1600g. Nope, this won't save your harddisk as they're rated for 300 to 500g in every direction and a lot less when active. Thinking about it, it seems like a good idea for the notebook to come apart on impact, as this might give your harddisk another few millimeters for controlled deceleration and thus keep it withing mechanical specs.

    In other words: Yes, the surface of your precious Macbook will be scratchfree after the fall, the harddisk will still be toast.

    1. Re:cool stuff, but not for this purpose by silanea · · Score: 4, Insightful

      In other words: Yes, the surface of your precious Macbook will be scratchfree after the fall, the harddisk will still be toast.

      So? A new harddisk is cheaper than a new laptop. And since you diligently maintained your backups...

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    2. Re:cool stuff, but not for this purpose by Ma8thew · · Score: 5, Funny

      Continuing their history of innovation, my MacBook parks the heads of its SSD during a sudden drop. Beat that Dell.

    3. Re:cool stuff, but not for this purpose by Mia'cova · · Score: 2, Informative

      To be clear, I meant IBM invented/introduced it before apple started buying hard disks featuring the tech.

    4. Re:cool stuff, but not for this purpose by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > So? A new harddisk is cheaper than a new laptop. And since you diligently maintained your backups...

      Mod parent WAY up. It might be irrelevant for netbooks and cheap notebooks from Best Buy, but if you're talking about a kilobuck+ Macbook or high-end performance notebook, the hard drive isn't just one of its cheapest components... it's also one of its few components that can be easily replaced by end users, with a part that's readily-available even in small towns, often on sale, and frequently would result in improved performance over the original part. Try buying a new Thinkpad keyboard, Macbook case, or Dell motherboard at Best Buy on Sunday afternoon at some city in the midwestern US with a population of ~500k living within a fifty-mile radius. Hell, with the possible exceptions of Silicon Valley, Hong Kong, and Akihabara , I doubt whether there's anyplace you could walk into a retail store and buy stuff like that at all, let alone on a weekend.

    5. Re:cool stuff, but not for this purpose by darthflo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hard Drive Active Protection System; around in ThinkPads since about 2003.

      Sudden Motion Sensor; Macbooks since 2005.

  11. Tech21 iBand tested on video by andylim · · Score: 3, Informative

    We have a video test of the iBand that shows how d3o works and features a drop test. http://recombu.com/news/tech21-iband-serious-impact-protection-proved-on-video-_M11064-1.html

  12. Re:typo, as seen on tv by laejoh · · Score: 4, Funny

    Lexdysia you mean!

  13. Oblig. Quotation: by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "His uniform is black as activated charcoal, filtering the very light out of the air. A bullet will bounce off its arachnofiber weave like a wren hitting a patio door, an excess of perspiration wafts through it like a napalmed forest. Where his body has bony extremities, the suit has sintered armorgel; feels like gritty jello, protects like a stack of telephone books."

    1. Re:Oblig. Quotation: by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hiro is Snow Crash's Protagonist.

    2. Re:Oblig. Quotation: by ceoyoyo · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Did you see the video someone else posted of the stuff turned into a fabric? Looks even better than that. The guy is wearing a sweater and gets someone to whack him on the elbow with a snow shovel. Then they put a toque made of the stuff on a watermelon and hit it with a hammer.

      No need to just do the "bony extremeties."

  14. Box by jbatista · · Score: 2, Funny

    Great! Good thing my boxing gloves are orange, no one is going to notice it. Hehehehe...

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  15. ThinkGeek has this? by STFS · · Score: 4, Informative

    The behavior of this stuff sounds a bit like the Smart Mass Thinking Putty I have from ThinkGeek.com.

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  16. Can only be described as... by subreality · · Score: 5, Funny

    what can only be described as an orange goo

    Around here, we're a technically savvy group with relatively high IQs. You can describe it as a highly viscous non-newtonian fluid containing enough long-chain polymers or waxes to prevent it from flowing freely when at rest, and most of us will get it, and the rest will be able to look it up.

    Assuming you're trying to describe it to a bunch of first graders, you can also describe it as "orange silly putty", and it'll be a hell of a lot more accurate than "orange goo".

    Raise the bar, people.

    1. Re:Can only be described as... by subreality · · Score: 2, Funny

      You people modded me funny? It's intended to be serious.

  17. Ringworld by chthon · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Larry Niven and Ringworld, anyone ?

    1. Re:Ringworld by Ambitwistor · · Score: 2, Informative

      Impact armor was in Ringworld Engineers, not Ringworld.

  18. Egg drop by xplenumx · · Score: 4, Interesting
    Here's an example of a similar non-newtonian fluid protecting an egg from breaking after being dropped:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMmhNbj4K68

    The protection has less to do with absorption reduction than a distribution of force.

  19. Size queens... by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Of course. They evolved to be that way, to maximize their fitness in an environment full of size queens.

    Yes, because never in our history (cough, Great Pyramids, cough) have we humans ever been accused of having inadequacy issues.

    Somehow I think this "evolution" started well before someone thought to take a truck and bolt a "trunk" on it.

    1. Re:Size queens... by CarpetShark · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yes, because never in our history (cough, Great Pyramids, cough) have we humans ever been accused of having inadequacy issues.

      Actually, Lin Yutang accused us of it quite eloquently ;)

      A man seeing a hundred-story building often gets conceited, and the best way to cure that insufferable conceit is to transport that skyscraper in one's imagination to a little contemptible hill and learn a truer sense of what may and what may not be called
      "enormous."

    2. Re:Size queens... by mattack2 · · Score: 2, Funny
    3. Re:Size queens... by The_mad_linguist · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Which is why you should look at the Bagger 288 instead.

      Then mentally transport it, and tear down the little contemptible hill.

  20. Re:typo, as seen on tv by Kreigaffe · · Score: 3, Funny

    Misinformation is still information, after all.

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  21. In other news... by kpainter · · Score: 4, Funny

    Microsoft announces that Steve Balmer is getting his office redecorated. All the furnishings are to be coated with a new high-tech orange "goo". No reason was given as to why.

  22. Re:I've got your goo! by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe his mate had a bad case of diarrhea?

  23. Yay! by BigSes · · Score: 5, Funny

    Trip Hawkins cheers as a typo makes 3DO relevant again for the first time in 15 years.

  24. are we sure by Minion+of+Eris · · Score: 2, Informative
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  25. Re:typo, as seen on tv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I put the sex in dyslexia!

  26. Laptop hard drives have active drive protection by Fencepost · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's worth noting that many laptops now have "active drive protection" by some name - basically accelerometers detect drops and immediately park the heads of the drive - hopefully before the end of the fall.

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  27. Karatand! by oren · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Get a (thick?) glove fill with the stuff. Possibly have the external layer contain some inserts... You can now break sticks and stones - and bones - with impunity. The original concept and the name "Karatand" appear in "Stand on Zanzibar" by John Brunner. It seems you can use 3do as an approximation: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=1745