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Airborne Boeing Laser Blasts Ground Target

coondoggie writes "The airborne military laser which promises to destroy, damage or disable targets with little to no collateral damage has for the first time actually blown something up. Boeing and the US Air Force today said that on Aug. 30, a C-130H aircraft armed with Boeing's Advanced Tactical Laser (ATL) blasted a target test vehicle on the ground for the first time. Boeing has been developing the ATL since 2008 under an Air Force contract worth up to $30 million."

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  1. Re:Sigh by Wyatt+Earp · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, permanent blinding weapons are illegal

    Blinding weapons are banned by 1995 United Nations Protocol on Blinding Laser Weapons.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dazzler_(weapon)
    http://www.icrc.org/ihl.nsf/0/49de65e1b0a201a7c125641f002d57af?OpenDocument

  2. Er, not exactly? by Mathinker · · Score: 5, Informative

    From WP:

    The Advanced Tactical Laser (ATL) program is a US military program to mount a high energy laser damage weapon on an aircraft, initially the AC-130 gunship, for use against ground targets in urban or other areas where minimizing collateral damage is important. The laser will be a megawatt-class chemical oxygen iodine laser (COIL). It is expected to have a tactical range of approximately twenty kilometers and weigh about 5,000â"7,000 kg. This program is distinct from the Airborne Laser, which is a much larger system designed to destroy enemy missiles in the boost phase.

  3. Re:Sigh by feyhunde · · Score: 4, Informative
    Visible light they reflect you mean. This is a hard concept for many people to grasp, but depending on the part of the spectra you are looking at, objects can vary to how much they reflect and how much they transmit. If everyone chooses the same reflector, like a cheap paint, you just gotta change the frequency of the light.

    A great example is silver. In the very close UV, like 310 nm, it's completely transparent. Light goes thru it perfectly. by the time you get to Green light, it's over 90% effective at reflections. Good, somewhat expensive, white paint used as a reflectance standard is good between 250-2500 nm. The type of laser they have is about 1000 or so nm. Using frequency doublers you can make that high UV in 3 jumps and below the bottom of where the paint can reflect well. I've used such high powered lasers in Academia. Doublers are common.

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  4. Re:Sigh by qbast · · Score: 4, Informative

    I've not heard a valid example of the US violating it.

    Do you consider general Taguba, who conducted investigation of Abu Ghraib valid source? According to him prisoner were raped among other things. Is it good enough example of violation for you? I also remember (not link this time, but should not be hard to find) of hooded prisoner attached to multiple wires. The whole scene looked like something from Frankenstein.

    Remember, the Geneva conventions are primarily concerned with the treatment of uniformed members of national military forces (and includes definitions of such).

    Whole 4th convention is about civilians. Most relevant here is article 5, talking about spies and saboteurs (or in American newspeak "illegal enemy combatants").
    Direct quote: "In each case, such persons shall nevertheless be treated with humanity and, in case of trial, shall not be deprived of the rights of fair and regular trial prescribed by the present Convention. They shall also be granted the full rights and privileges of a protected person under the present Convention at the earliest date consistent with the security of the State or Occupying Power, as the case may be." Seems pretty clear, doesn't it?

    It also is only in force when engaged in war with another state that is also bound by the convention.

    Like Iraq which ratified it in 1956? Ah, I forgot: you just need to slap 'liberation' sticker on your invasion and it is ok.

    Legally, at least; morally/politically is a different game, of course.

    What is the problem? You just need to redefine 'morality', like 'torture' and 'war' got redefined.

  5. Re:Sigh by TheLink · · Score: 3, Informative

    > No, permanent blinding weapons are illegal

    Yes but please see "Article 3" in your link.

    Article 3
    Blinding as an incidental or collateral effect of the legitimate military employment of laser systems, including laser systems used against optical equipment, is not covered by the prohibition of this Protocol.

    So if one of those common laser targeters or this super laser can blind you, they still comply since they weren't designed specifically to blind people, they come under "incidental or collateral effect".

    You're just not supposed to:

    "employ laser weapons specifically designed, as their sole combat function or as one of their combat functions, to cause permanent blindness to unenhanced vision"

    So just blind people and say "Oops".

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  6. Re:Is this really what passes for jounalism today? by MartinSchou · · Score: 4, Informative

    What's wrong with that? Unless you're complaining about the use of Wikipedia, everything in that sentence is perfectly within norms.

    A typical American household uses about 11,000 kWh per year.

    A very simple use of Google's calculator function will tell you that this equals 1,255 Wh per hour.

    This in turn is 4.52 megajoule. Expended over 5 seconds, this is 904 kW. Pretty close to a megawatt laser.

  7. Re:Actually the first SUCCESSFUL attempt... by doug141 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Only aqueous solutions are limited to pH below14.