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How 136 People Became 7 Million Illegal File-Sharers

Barence writes "The British government's official figures on the level of illegal file sharing in the UK come from questionable research commissioned by the music industry. The Radio 4 show named More or Less examined the government's claim that 7m people in Britain are engaged in illegal file sharing. The 7m figure actually came from a report written about music industry losses for Forrester subsidiary Jupiter Research. The report was privately commissioned by none other than the UK's music trade body, the BPI. The 7m figure had been rounded up from an actual figure of 6.7m, gleaned from a 2008 survey of 1,176 net-connected households, 11.6% of which admitted to having used file-sharing software — in other words, only 136 people. That 11.6% was adjusted upwards to 16.3% 'to reflect the assumption that fewer people admit to file sharing than actually do it.' The 6.7m figure was then calculated based on an estimated number of internet users that disagreed with the government's own estimate. The wholly unsubstantiated 7m figure was then released as an official statistic."

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  1. Story meaning? by sopssa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I actually had several feelings about this summery, because:

    1) Usually pro-filesharers try to make it sound like filesharing is usual activity and try go for most or 70-90% user share
    2) The summary tries to paint this study bad because it "downsides" the amount of filesharers
    3) The rant about examining only 1,176 people for the study - in which case the same kind of tv viewer statistics and other studies are made in what case.

    So could someone please explain *why* is it a questionable research. It is like every other study where you study small amount of people and make estimates based on it to reflect whole population. Usually this amount of people also gives somewhat correct results on the whole population. Theres some error margin, but its close enough.

    So what is the point of this story? That statistics researches use only minor subset or people to do their research instead of asking from everyone? They always have.

    1. Re:Story meaning? by bertoelcon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I think this could be summarized under lies. damn lies, and statistics.

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    2. Re:Story meaning? by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Oh I forgot to note this... anyway it addition to other potential flaws TFA says

      11.6% of which admitted to having used file-sharing software

      emphasis mine. They admitted to using file sharing software not pirating goods via said software... The study is effectively making the assumption that filesharing = copyright infringement. Also from TFA:

      The 6.7m figure was then calculated based on the estimated number of people with internet access in the UK. However, Jupiter research was working on the assumption that there were 40m people online in the UK in 2008, whereas the Government's own Office of National Statistics claimed there were only 33.9m people online during that year.

      Even if the study did get the sample size correct the conclusion would still be nearly 30% wrong owing to their false assumption of the number of people with net access. neglecting the distinction between filesharing and copyright infringement TFA estimates that the actual number is between ~30 and ~50% lower than the study claims.

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    3. Re:Story meaning? by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Why would the solution to something that is not easily enforceable be to make it legal?

      because it doesn't work? why are our police resources being used to enforce extended copyright law when it is neither enforceable nor in the public interest to do so?

      With this particular issue, it simply became trivial for virtually anyone to obtain copyrighted material illegally

      hence the law is unenforceable- that is to say that it can't be enforced without far more draconian measures that violate other rights.

      Nobody is going to stop the advancement of the arts if it is made more difficult to share copyrighted content

      all it has to do is discourage the advancement of the arts relative to an alternative solution. In that case the copyright system as it is would be unconstitutional in the US.

      As someone who makes a living creating copyrighted content, I don't see why these tactics are unreasonable.

      those tactics are often illegal, rights violating and unconstitutional. suing people for 10,000 x damages is a violation of the 8th amendment. various practices by the RIAA/MPAA are illegal including but not limited to violating the DMCA, abuse of the legal system, fraud and entrapment...

      but if you can point me at examples of how file-sharing systems have a positive economic impact on anyone, please let me know.

      live cds, distribution of software patches, advertising which ADV films uses P2P to distribute advertising clips for their anime media, distribution of creative commons licensed materials etc...

      ALL CD stores but one have been driven out of business, and virtually everyone I know has stopped purchasing CD's

      I'm sure that had nothing to do with single tracks being sold on Itunes, the poor state of CDs released today or the recession.

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  2. Re:It's probably still accurate though. by gbjbaanb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    When you know the total population of the UK is roughly 30 million households, that's a fair chunk of the population. (total population is roughly 60 million people)

    Out of the total population, only 18.7 million have broadband. Guess roughly 40% of the population is a pirate then. We should make it legal, government being there for the populace and all that.

  3. Re:If it's bogus, it's probably too low. by Miamicanes · · Score: 4, Interesting

    > Work backwards from the undisputed declining sales figures of the recording industry.

    The main reason for declining sales is the fact that CD sales during the 90s were artificially boosted by people replacing records and tapes with CDs... then replacing them again when remastered CDs were released a few years later. It was a once-in-a-lifetime event for the recording industry that won't be repeated during our lifetimes.

    People re-bought CDs they already owned in analog (or optimized-for-analog CDs) because they represented an epic improvement in quality by just about any meaningful standard over the analog media they replaced. Everything that's come out since CDs has only been cheaper, shittier-sounding, or intolerably-crippled by DRM.

    Here's an idea for the music industry: ditch the DRM'ed formats, and roll out a music format on DVD media with 96KHz 32-bit stereo PCM. Make the discs gold-colored, call it something like "X-fi", and sell them for $24.95. You'll win on all counts -- genX'ers will go back into highschool mode and buy them to show off how rich they are and/or pretend they sound sufficiently better than 16-bit CDs to justify spending ~twice as much on them, and the fact that every disc will be ~4-8 gigabytes will serve as self-limiting DRM for the next decade or so. Just make sure they still have the MOST compelling consumer benefit intact (and reason why people who buy CDs still DO buy CDs): it's a flawless first-generation master to use for making all your "working" copies for everywhere else.