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Re-Examining the Immersion Factor For First-Person Shooters
An opinion piece on Gamasutra looks into the common perception that a first-person view provides a much more immersive experience in shooters. The author argues that this concept needs to be reconsidered, as immersion nowadays is more dependent on what you see, rather than how you see it. The question is further complicated by ever-improving technology and new control schemes. "It's important to realize that making a first-person game almost necessarily means making a game for the dedicated gamer. Innovations on the interface side could help lower the casual block, perhaps through the Wii, Project Natal, or the PS3's new motion controller. Regardless, it will take a lot of work and concerted effort to penetrate the casual audience with a first-person camera. The question is whether we even need to, when there are so many camera systems that games have yet to fully explore."
The Star Trek arcade game (you remember -- the kind you had to put quarters in) had both a first person view (ok, first ship view) and a top-down view. The first person view was nice eye-candy, but a useless distraction in actual combat. The top-down view had so much more usable information and no distracting eye-candy. It was all you needed to play the game effectively (as long as you wanted on one quarter once you mastered it).
That doesn't mean Crysis would be better without the first-person view. It's the realism that makes that kind of game.
"It's important to realize that making a first-person game almost necessarily means making a game for the dedicated gamer." ...emphasis on the "almost."
I think Portal is a great example of a FPS that's interesting to serious gamers while still accessible to casual ones.
One of the main reasons I don't play more FPS titles nowadays is their length: a lot of games, like Half-Life and GTA, build these epic saga storylines and take many days to play thoroughly. In high school, I thought both of those were awesome (especially HL2 and Vice City, respectively) but now, in college, I just don't have time.
Portal is so short, I played it in one sitting. It's also simple: you have exactly one kind of gun throughout the game, and only a handful of opponents. It's the antithesis of a game like WoW, (which I realize is not FPS), and which requires a lot of in-depth game-specific knowledge and deep time commitment to become good at.
Portal goes to great lengths to teach players how to play as they go along. The developer commentary is fascinating... each of the first few levels has a specific concept that it's designed to convey. If you understand quickly, these levels go by fast. If you've never touched a controller in your life, I'd bet money that you could still do them. It's all part of the challenge.
I thought the Fallout3 immersion factor was quite hi due to it's sound and lighting.
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My thoughts are really disjointed tonight, so forgive me.
I do agree with the author, sometimes a first-person perspective may not be the only way to immerse a gamer. Video games, especially first person shooters, used to rely solely on vision. The original Wolfenstein 3D on the PC did not have a rumble feature or 5.1 surround sound, but was still considered groundbreaking because of the perspective it put the gamer in.
The best games, however, do more with existing technologies, such as using a vibration in the controller to indicate either a pulse or that danger is nearby. The use of dark ambient music, creaking noises in floorboards while walking around, or the sudden screeching noise when something pops out also helps. While we cannot do anything with our sense of taste of smell in video games yet, (thank GOODNESS...) we can at least emphasize certain sounds and touch a little more than just pretty graphics.
Going along with the article, the first person perspective brings the dilemma of the "silent hero", because that hero is supposed to be you. However, you rarely get to interact with anything beyond acknowledging an NPC's request to retrieve something for them. You don't get to forge a bond with any of the characters based on your personality traits. I think this is key -- I was way more into Final Fantasy VII because of the level of interaction with the characters. You get to know them and you get to like them. Rockstar Games tried to get characters more involved with NPCs in GTA IV by having the players go out and spend time with them, but you really never get to know them. You go out with them, but only hear side-conversation going on. You're not really allowed to say anything in that game beyond clicking on the NPC to get the next quest.
There are still limitations. There are only a finite number of dialog choices and while you can allow the gamer to make their own dialog (as with the original Police Quest series), NPCs won't understand most of it and will only give canned responses. MMORPG's will allow gamers to say whatever they want to other gamers, but are still bound to the NPC's world. Most games don't have that story-telling feature to allow the gamers to create their own quests.
So yes, it's not all about the first-person perspective. Sound and touch also play a role, but the biggest factor of all is the depth of interaction with other characters and the unique, likable personalities that let you identify with them.
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There are a lot of things you might want out of a game, of which immersion is only one. You might also want engagement, fun, thought-provokingness (okay, maybe less from an FPS), and lots of other qualities. There even some research showing that perfect immersion might harm some of these other properties, and may not be the sweet spot--- playing games on some perfectly immersive, like the Star Trek Holodeck, might not actually be what a lot of people want. I know I personally enjoy some mediation between myself and the virtual world; I like to feel that I'm playing a game, not actually in the world. But then i like turn-based and 2d games, too.
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The most immersive game I've ever played is Nethack.
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Nothing kills immersion more than having to look up which button does what. But if you've played one FPS, you can sit down with any other and have an immediate, intuitive understanding of how it works. In real life, you don't have to think about how to walk, run, drive a car, swim... So if you want immersion, you have to make all that as intuitive as possible -- easily accomplished if every game of the same genre has the same control scheme.
But I would go a step further and say that the immersion in many FP games is not due to you associating with the character or good story, but rather because in PVP the avatars actually represent people you know. When I kill oddjob, I beat my brother. (yes he was cheater). And when bond dies, I just lost to my brother. Same sort of deal in WoW.
Let's be clear about some issues with this question --
For one.. let's talk about "aim": The third person shooter can never be a natural "shooter" in the sense that aiming one's weapon will always be a product of interface, and not visceral line-of-sight.
This of course, is fine for some games -- but if we're going to call a game a "shooter", then we should incorporate the visceral sense of "aim" into that definition.
If "aim" is something that is virtualzed -- as it is in 3rd person shooters -- then the game is by definition not as visceral -- and *may* not be as immersive. (But of course this all depends on one's definition of "immersive". If one defines a visceral -- "real" experience as "immersive" then 1st person wins. If one defines other plot/strategic elements as immersive -- then maybe not....)
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one of the reasons I really don't give a shit about FPS is that all I can see when I'm playing is whats right in front of me.. but in real life all of us have peripheral vision. We tend to notice things happening besides us.. and if we're in a jungle surrounded by people with guns we want that peripheral vision but games only offer us what lies directly in front.
I don't know but maybe games have support for triple-headed displays ? If that were possible then I might consider adding two more monitors on either side of the main display. This would work very well with 5/7 channel audio. I'm just a casual gamer so my ignorance is showing here.
..and will quickly go through just a few points why from top to bottom ...my first interaction (in perhaps '97 or '98) ...with proper fps...had me pretty convinced that first-person games werenâ(TM)t for me, all the way until Halo 2" ... other? As a critic you should want more artisic games, not dumbed down ones. Only the sellers would want the art dowmbed down. Why do you care about 'helping casuals'? Thats like a film critic saying she hopes they make more formulaic movies casual people will see them. huh?
"saves developers from having to develop a camera system independent of the playerâ(TM)s control."
FP cameras are not set in stone, do you show movement with head bod, or weapon bob or neither or let player choose? Handling peripheral vision focus, do you see your shoes when you look down., etc.
"...Wolfenstein 3D for the Atari Jaguar.
wow, someone who hadn't played doom even 4 years after it was out, played Wolfenstein on a TV, and generally didn't like FPS's till halo 2. Yeah, He sounds qualified to comment on the pros and cons of FP camera.
"used to [third-person view] Having an avatar gives us a strong frame of reference, and allows us to better navigate the world. If I see a little running guy, and I try to make him jump, I can gauge that distance."
That is so subjective it's useless. I could turn around and say 3d person games lack a frame of reference, FP camera lets me better gauge the distance. Even if you think the quote is right, that doesn't make it a better or worse game on that point. maybe the fun is knowing in the fray when you would jump in quake you might fall through the cracks and learniing how to judge them.
"Consider the last time you felt like you actually were the character in a game you played. Iâ(TM)d be willing to guess that most people will say âoenever.â
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"how do you identify with a character you canâ(TM)t see, a character who usually doesnâ(TM)t even talk or have any opinions about the horrible things going on around him? This goes back to the âoesilent heroâ dilemma..."
Not all FP camera games have slient hero's, sounds like you have been playing shitty games, and what does that have to do with the camera? 3d person games are just as likely to have silent hero, just because you can see them doesn't mean they all talk, sounds again you are just picking the right 3d person games and the wrong 1st person ones. anyways a lot of this goes back to small budgets and marketing
"Innovations on the interface side could help lower the casual block,"
Are you a gamer or a publisher? Can't we have both the Casual games and the
I could go on, but yeah.
There are a few games that really got to me:
1) Alone in the dark. The first incarnation of this. The graphics were horrible but the immersion was immense. This game had me actually scared of what was coming next.
2) Half-life 1. Much more so then Half-life 2.
3) Alien vs. Predator. Where you play the squishy marine, and you just gone inside a long tunnel. You end up in a chamber where one of you fallen comrades is, only to find he's been encapsulated into a wall. Then your motion sensor goes berzerk, and you start running.. back through that long tunnel. When you look back now and then the walls and ceiling are crawling with predators trying to catch up with you. Every now and then you have to hit a switch to close a door. _This_ was some fucking immersion, nearly had a heart attack, but I'm still happy I made it out of that tunnel alive.
4) Some incarnation of Splinter Cell. I played the whole game with the self-imposed restriction that I wouldn't kill a single character. Turns out there were 2 situations in there where I was obligated to kill a key figure. However by stocking up on stun gas grenades I was able to defeat one 'boss' by stunning him (after _many many_ tries). Come the cutscene, he was dead ;)
5) System Shock 2. Oh god.. I'm alone on a huge space ship.. Somebody hold me!
There are a number of other games that I can't recall the name of, but immersion seems to be independent of graphics to me, as long as the graphics don't hinder your immersion. To reach immersion I think you need to heed the following points:
- Don't put anything in the game that will irritate the user. I'm talking interface here, so go for a minimal, but useful HUD. Use sane controls that can be reconfigured by the user to his/her liking. Make sure you take out the bugs.
- Make it a whole. Make sure there is a backstory and that the character and his/her actions fit into it. Let the user find out that there is a whole galaxy out there with strange and wondrous things. You don't have to show it all, but make some references to things that 'happened' without going into too much detail. Leave the gamer with questions. This is the reason why Star Wars was so popular as a genre.
- No jumping puzzles.
- Make the game challenging. Make it 'hard' without actually even having be hard. But give the gamer a sense of accomplishment. You don't do this by making him have to shoot 30.000 of identical aliens btw.
- Give the user choices. _REAL_ choices, not a 'good' and 'evil' choice that end up with the same result anyway. Give the user some actual influence in the game. World of Warcraft is an example of how not to do this. Everybody is 'special' but you are indistinguishable from all the other players.
- _NO JUMPING PUZZLES_, no really
- If you do introduce puzzles, make them logical. On the other end of the spectrum is Monkey Island, where you have to combine the extendable rubber hand with the pepper shaker so you can make the skeleton sneeze to blow out the candle so the room goes dark so that you can safely steel the treasure without the skeleton seeing it. It's just not logical. :)
- Make the player care for the main character and cohorts. You can do this by not making him invulnerable. Don't get me wrong, there are plenty of horrible games that implement the 'one glance from an enemy and you are dead' principle, but that is not good either.
- Personal development. RPG's are fun because you get to 'build' your own character by improving those things you enjoy/think are important. So introduce some RPG bits to your FPS. Classic examples are Deus Ex and Bioshock. Don't let players have it all, make them choose.
I can think of a lot more things, but graphics is not one of the components that define immersion in my book.
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I agree with the author that games are not immersive by simply being FP. I've never played a game where I forgot I was playing a game. That, for me, would be the total immersion for which FP perspective strives. In fact, I kind of find "immersion" being touted as a major factor in why I should buy a game annoying (hello, Fallout 3). No matter what, I will never forget I'm sitting in my easy chair playing my console or at my desk looking at my 20" monitor. There's just way too much between me and the action and in my peripheral vision.
You know what's the biggest obstacle to my immersion in games such as Call of Duty or GTA? The way it's all scripted. It's a bit too much like a movie, the game designers want too much control over what I see. As a result, I know the story is waiting for me, no matter if shit is hitting the fan all around me and that NPCs are yelling that I have to hurry up. I know that if I die it's a minor convenience, I just have to do again exactly what I did for the last 40 seconds or so (at most, except for GTA, where every time you fail you have to do the same fucking thing, seeing the same cutscenes, for minutes all over again) and try again until I succeed.
These game fail me at immersion because they're just the sophisticated equivalent to turning the pages of a book. The story will unfold as scripted no matter what you do, even if it might need repeats (funny thing about failing, failing is always mostly non-canon. That too ruins the immersion.). I was really excited the first time I played GTA III, because I was really into it, until I failed a mission. I wondered a bit scared what would happen next, and to my relief I could try it again. Then I felt less immersed, because I can kill my boss, I can kill myself, I can fuck up everything, but the story will have to unfold, even I suck really hard.
Such games may be geographically open, in that you can go anywhere, but everything that matters is on rails. Well actually that's something that Battlefield 1942 got right. You could get defeated, it was canon, you didn't *have* to win, the war unfolded as you were making it happen. Well the idea wasn't pushed very far in that your failures didn't affect the rest of what would happen.
TL;DR : The problem with games is that they're full of very carefully created content; places and storylines, to the point that the designers make sure that you get to see all of their content. They wouldn't design a whole map if odds were you'd fail to get there. I think that instead of designing maps, they should design worlds, and instead of designing carefully crafted stories they should make great AIs so that their interactions with you result in a story (i.e. in a war game, have strategic AIs, which decide of where to take the war next as to try to defeat the other strategic AI. In other words, AIs would play a RTS, while you'd play one of their units).
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eyetoy sold well over 10million units, sony already knows what sells and what doesn't to casual gaming people. (even though i don't believe in "casual", as eventually everyone becomes a regular gamer (as people eventually grow tired of idiot games)
I don't believe immersion is why Doom was written as a First Person Shooter.
If it wasn't a FPS, then I would be able to see enemies that my character would not be able to see. With a third person angle, I would know what was around the next corner without having to put my character in danger.
This would then lead to me attempting to figure out how far around the corner I had to be to be able to shoot the enemy.I don't want to go to far because then they will see me. In most FPS, if the wall isn't blocking the cross hairs, then I can shoot the enemy.
Doom also loved the trick of opening hidden doors behind you to release enemies. With a third person viewpoint, you would see them sneaking up on you.
Finally, don't even think you can pull off any real 3D aiming in the Z axis. The best you can do with a third person view is really bad 2D aiming. No more head shots. In early sprite looking third person games (Doom era), there were only so many ways your character could be rotated (4, 8, 32...) Aiming the gun meant aiming your character directly at the enemy and then firing. The game then decided if you were close enough for a hit. And it was usually nice and counted hits that shouldn't have counted. Most games that employ a third person viewpoint with a true "hit-test" also have visible slow moving bullets so you can see why you missed. And you wont find a sniper type weapon in any of these games. Every gun sprays bullets everywhere.
I realize there are some exceptions to this rule (007 on Dreamcast), but I still found aiming in that game difficult.
From a viewpoint of examining "immersion" for the average gamer these days, yes, an inexperienced FPS person probably *is* the best to comment on FPS games.
As for reading his lament about "silent heroes" and jumping to the conclusion that he's "been playing shitty games", I'm just a little baffled. I guess you're unfamiliar with the history and current culture of the FPS market, because Valve's Half-life titles present the most prominent example of a silent protagonist. It's practically a shtick, and like them or not, you really can't pretend to be an experienced FPS gamer if you call the Half-life series "shitty".
I think you missed the point of the article by about a kilometer. He's not arguing that FPS games are bad; there's no need for you to defend them against that charge. He's arguing against the assumption, common throughout the game industry today and exemplified by heavyweights like Bethesda, that the FPS perspective is *inherently* more immersive.
Agreed on immersion using all the available features: when I was playing through Bioshock I got so used to listening for creaking floorboards, doors and footsteps that every time I heard a noise in the house whilst working I would have the urge to spin around wielding a wrench.
Oblivion is interesting in that it's a first-person (you can play 3rd person but reviews say it's not so good) RPG, including some ongoing conversations with characters who give you quests and sometimes help you. To a certain extent that makes you feel a connection to them that you wouldn't necessarily get in an FPS. But the connection I feel with the characters is nowhere near the level I'd got from playing Mass Effect, though that's primarily due to the cinematic nature of the (3rd person) dialogue scenes as opposed to the rest of the 3rd person gameplay. The presentation of these, plus people's reactions to the different characteristics you could display (i.e. whether you were being paragon or renegade) made the characters really come alive for me.
On the other hand, Halo is a true FPS where I nevertheless like and have sympathy for the other characters. Maybe it's partly because I really like the game but I think it's also due to the cinematic presentation, the good voice acting and the fun characters and plot. There's no control over the interaction with the other characters, dialogue-wise but they nevertheless have distinctive personalities, so it matters what happens to them.
Going along with the article, the first person perspective brings the dilemma of the "silent hero", because that hero is supposed to be you. However, you rarely get to interact with anything beyond acknowledging an NPC's request to retrieve something for them. You don't get to forge a bond with any of the characters based on your personality traits.
Never played DN3D, did you ? I guarantee you're ready to kick ass and chew bubble gum after you leave the game, however well bred and polite you may be before.
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I think you'll find most FPS these days are pretty lame at only 7-8 hours gameplay. There a few that topp 8 hours and I've not played a new one that lasted longer than 8 hours play in years.
I know this is about FPS's, but I think this issue somewhat applies. Mod me offtopic if you must:
You know how to *ruin* a game's immersion factor? Make it *third person* behind the friggin' back.
Thankyou, Dead Space, I forever will appreciate the giant, virtual avatar taking up half my screen as I desperately attempt to maneuver the camera to see what unseen monster has popped up out of nowhere to slice me in half. Kudos to Resident Evil!
I like the third person camera whenever I need to _see_ anything (eg. while moving about above ground or engaged in a sword fight). But I'm playing an archer now so I need the first person camera whenever there's enemies nearby.
I could handle having only a third person camera if the game handled archery a little less precisely but a first person only camera would be annoying unless the game came with ultra-widescreen wrap-around 3D glasses. There's a reason why FPSes tend to feature underground levels so heavily. It's hard to see the world when you're looking through a 90 degree lens.
The author says, "there are so many camera systems that games have yet to fully explore." Like what? There is first person and third person. What else is there?
I think the author blurs immersion with point of view. POV is first person or third person, or other general camera placement.
Immersion is based on interactivity in the environment and identification with the character. Half Life 2, with its advanced physics and material properties broke ground on environmental interactivity. Fallout 3 excelled at character interaction and plot choice, as well as, creating a non-linear map.
POV can aid in immersion. As someone said above, a first person POV is more like the real world.
If game developers want to make games for more casual users, they should decide on a standard control pattern. That is, "f" for forward, "v" for back, "mouse1" for fire, etc. This way, users would not have to learn a whole new set of commands for each game.
I played Contra on a NES Emulator yesterday. It was fun and refreshing. After all these years of PC gaming, I think it is still the best game ever made.
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For one I take issue with the characterization of game players as either "hardcore" or "casual". There's a lot more to gamers than this false dichotomy. Gamers have a wide spectrum of likes and dislikes and skill sets. Someone might be a "hardcore" Halo player as they're really good at it but might only play RTSes occasionally and only "casually" because they're not good at them. Are they hardcore or casual? Oh no the stupid two-party classification has broken down! Also whenever you read "casual gamer" on a blog or in a magazine mentally replace that term with "retard" because that is the connotation the word has anymore and it is ridiculous.
What is worse is when developers somehow target "casual/retard" or "hardcore" players with their games. They want to consider their target audience as "hardcore" so they leave out any and all features which might lessen the challenge of the game for their precious hardcore strawmen. You can play Fallout 3 without ever really using VATS but it is a nice feature for people who aren't terribly talented aiming in an FPS with a console controller. VATS makes the game more approachable because you can be a good RPG player but bad at FPSes and still enjoy the game. The opposite also happens, developers will target "casual/retard" players and not include any features which might challenge players too much or assign their third string development teams to make the games.
This article is filled with such bullshit and and presumes that more immersion is somehow needed to make games good. It's nice to see someone wondering aloud that maybe new camera angles need to be tried in games or that there's too little innovation in control schemes. What pisses me off is the suggestion that FPSes are too hard for "casuals/retards" and "hardcores" aren't properly served by them. Just because someone doesn't live and breath Halo multiplayer doesn't mean they are somehow discombobulated at the mere thought of a character's point of view being the exact same as that of the player. Just because you live and breath Halo multiplayer doesn't mean you don't want to chill out playing Tetris every now and again.
This article's suggestion that somehow "casual/retard" players will have to wait until the Wii, Natal, or PS3 motion sensor dumbs down FPSes for them to play is ludicrous. It's not only the "hardcore" strawmen that can use an XBox controller. If a developer's game is so hard to control that only the most dedicated players can make it past the second level then the developer fucked up. They're games, a form of entertainment, they shouldn't require absolute dedication to beat or even get far enough to make it interesting. Unfortunately these games get passes on the controls because they turned the graphics to 11 or more realistically render blood splatter patterns. Games don't need to be divided into "unplayable by anyone with a full time job" and "press X to win".
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The difference between an FPS and a 3rd person shooter is not about what you see in an FPS, but what you don't see. As opposed to a 3rd person where you see everything.
The absolute best gaming experience I've had when it comes to immersion is definitely Metroid Prime. The game completely blew me away the first time I played it. It's just you, nobody else, on a planet fighting against ETs and Space Pirates while trying to figure out what the heck is going on. Retro Studios never made the game too unlike the previous games in the series as well; this isn't an FPS, it's a First Person Adventure. The puzzles were innovative, expansions were well hidden and fun to find, and the controls, while awkward, worked surprisingly well. The graphics were absolutely beautiful to look at; your HUD would show things like raindrops hitting it or condensation appearing from steam/heat!
The reason why I think the game was so immersive was this: Retro never made players care about the story! The game went on without any real "story" happening. You had to figure out for yourself where to go next, how to beat certain enemies, and everything! You had to "scan" items and enemies to figure out parts of the story and how to defeat enemies. The game gave you this feeling like the world in the game was going on without you animal-crossing style; go to an area one time and something happens, go there another time and different enemies/sequences are present. I was only a pre-teen when I played the game first, so you can imagine how thrilling it was to watch a metroid breaking out of its casing to attack me, and after wondering where to go next for a split second a space-pirate jumps through the window and attacks me.
If more shooters want to be successful, make the design choices that Metroid Prime made.
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"...Wolfenstein 3D for the Atari Jaguar. ...my first interaction (in perhaps '97 or '98) ...with proper fps...had me pretty convinced that first-person games werenâ(TM)t for me, all the way until Halo 2"
wow, someone who hadn't played doom even 4 years after it was out, played Wolfenstein on a TV, and generally didn't like FPS's till halo 2. Yeah, He sounds qualified to comment on the pros and cons of FP camera.
1997 is 12 years ago. Why on earth does that fact that he might have "only" got into games 12 years ago, and not 16 years ago, make him unqualified? There have been quite a few FPS games since then. And why does playing on a console make a difference?
You also conveniently failed to quote an important part:
Not having been able to afford a computer growing up, this was my first interaction (in perhaps '97 or '98) with a proper FPS.
So in other words, you call him unqualified, because 12-16 years ago when he was growing up, he wasn't able to afford an expensive PC to play these games. Nice showing your prejudice, there.
So what are your credentials, then? Do you have something better than "My daddy bought me an expensive PC, so I was able to play Doom when it first came up"?
The author is basically correct. It's how you "feel" in a game which causes the immersion.
He had me when he asked "when was the first time you cared" about a character in a game, and then brought up Ico, which was exactly what I was thinking.
In Ico, I not only cared about the boy, but the girl also. When you held her hand and started running, there would be an uncomfortable "tug" on her arm as you started to drag her along. I quickly started using the controls in a more delicate way so I would work up to a run, rather than drag her off. The game didn't care, and she wasn't even real, but I stared becoming concerned for how "she" felt about my demands.
Now. Immersion is more than about graphics and sound. A really, really, good book can immerse you without any special effects altogether. (Neverwhere comes to mind..) In fact, Infocom had a tag line stating they had the best graphics of any computer games out there. They were just in your head.
The first, first person game I experienced that had true immersion was Myst. [I notice that myst was one of the tag words used in this thread, though it has not been mentioned yet.]
Many gamers deride Myst as "not a game", after a wit wrote a review calling it "a sideshow".
The real reason why most players don't like it is its pace..
In Myst, when you materialized, you were suddenly slapped with the view, the sounds of the wind, the waves, the water slapping the underside of the dock, the sounds creaking wood; and a small seagull circling overhead up in the clouds.
These techniques nowadays I recognize from some of the more sophisticated anime.
Later on you found Messages to Catherine, which were rushed, urgent.. Later still you found burned books in a library [Why?] in which you found some amazing journals written in pen, with beautiful and often enigmatic drawings. While you were reading the books it was just you and the image of the book, complete with the rustling of paper when you turned the pages (yes it was a simple wipe), and just the sound of the wind blowing through the open library door.
This was true immersion. I fell into the world. I can see it still. 10 years after I was there, despite the fact that the graphics were static, had dithering in some places due to the color pallet, the movies where the size of postage stamps and had to play in small areas, and the music quality was a bit scratchy in places due to audio compression.
However, the overall effect was magical. You didn't notice the small movies, because of where they were, they had no frames, but were part of the environment. Everything was seamless.
[In fact, playing the old Myst games in a PC environment nowadays, I DO notice these bits. Mostly because the movies play and you can see the rectangular areas where the boundaries don't match up... Progress I guess.]
Interestingly, just a few years ago, I read a review of the original Myst where the author talked about the waves crashing into the dock. I actually had to play the game again as my memory told me that the waves were moving (a later innovation for distant water in the sequel "Riven",) to ensure that, "yes", they were actually static.
Now, immersion is being discussed here as being tricks of sound and light to make you feel you are actually walking the halls. One person talked about the creaking of the floorboards as you moved about, and the shrieking sounds as something jumped out at you. However you can only transmit shallow emotions- unease, fear, alarm, excitement, hate, with these little tricks borrowed from the movies.
It is much harder to transmit other emotions, such as disgust, loneliness, loss, sadness, love, happiness, wonder- you know; the other emotions which are largely left out of movies now a days as there is no time to do them due to the pace.
As an example. Try watching the films; 2001, Solaris (with George Clooney), Lost in Translation, and Gandhi. There are others, but the common thread is that their pace is slow. This generally make
If it's not first-person then you're watching someone else, not seeing through their eyes. That's not going to be immersive. Stupid question.
For me, it was DOOM because the visual and audio immersion.
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Many first person games compensate for this by providing a wider field of view than you would see if your monitor were actually a window into the action. While this may enhance game play for some types of games, it has the net effect of "miniaturizing" the scene, possibly undermining the immersiveness of the game. Bioshock on the XBox 360 took the "window" approach, with a more realistic point of view. It was widely acclaimed as one of the most immersive first-person games to date, but it also came in for criticism for fans of traditional FPS games, some of whom were very upset not to enjoy the exaggerated field of view of many first-person shooters.
I was always satisfied with Doom, as far as first-person shooters. However, I was recently surprised at the level of immersion that happened while playing Asphalt 4 (racing game) on my Nintendo DSi while on the bus. It seems that the relatively meaningless speed while playing the game in a stationary environment actually feels pretty cool while you're actually moving forward...
i don't care about how far i can jump. i hate jump puzzle games. empathize? i don't care either. the reality is you play a game for the game mechanic, if it doesn't have a fun one the story can't save it. as for wii type controllers, those all fail at immersion. there is no force feedback, no real interaction with the environment, you are waving your arm in space, no resistance, no impact. so it has no connection with the reality in the game, that you have to make such extreme motions only emphasises how NOT immersed you are. its not like button pushing where you can disconnect from your controller, it becoming the unconscious connection. the motion controllers "motion" being so disconnected from reality becomes nothing more than gesture control, which is not immersive at all, but just a chore, and a rather phony one at that. perhaps gimmicks like wii controls bring in the casual gaming punters for a go before they let the dust cover the console, but that short term gain in market/sales has no meaning on the deeper understanding of making games immersive.
Prey had your character/avatar talking and reacting to the strange environment and things that were happening. Just as I was thinking "What the fuck is happening", my character would say the same thing! I'd seen that in an FPS until that point and it really imporved the immersion in the game.
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As you say, the author of TFA just hasn't played a large enough spectrum of FPS's to be a worthwhile critic of them.
Is this a rhetorical question?
In some years, there will not be any people left who don't know WASD & co from their early childhood on, and still want to play shooters.
I always see how seemingly intelligent game, software and other product developers dumb down their products to make them "accessible" to anyone. Only for nature to create a better idiot, because now she can. And why are people now able to be dumber? Because your new products allowed them to be in the first place!
And that is the real problem: By dumbing down your products, you create your own idiots.
Besides: Dumbing things down is not the full idea, but a bad mutation of it. The original idea was to get things more *efficient*. Which is something way different. For example there are people tho whom VIM is the most efficient UI. And there are those who prefer MS Notepad.
So what you do is: You adapt it to the user. To *every* user! Not only the dumb ones!
Any sufficiently advanced intelligence is indistinguishable from stupidity.
It doesn't matter if you're playing Spyro, or Mario, or Grand Theft Auto, you're just controlling something. First person view will always be more immersive than third. The way your brain processes visual stimuli guarantees it. In third person view you watch stuff happen. In first person view, you do stuff. You can get caught up in a movie, but when they want you to feel involved they don't throw a bunch of shit at the character, they throw a bunch of shit at the screen. Often they even give you a first person character view so you can enjoy the effect without having to separate yourself from him or her. The movie industry understands that this guy is wrong, and a good DP could explain it in big, expensive words that would prove the point.
The ultimate will be when we get wrap-around glasses with peripheral vision cues, or something equivalent. The audio is there already. All other senses are useful but not necessary to fool your brain. In the absence of head motion, even your inner ear cues fall into the background and your vision wins.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
Maybe a screen that mimics a natural field of vision could augment the player's comprehension of movement in FPS games? It doesn't solve the "silent character" problem but it might make it easier for the player to become their own actor. Empathic immersion doesn't always depend on having a predefined main character, it could also be achieved by providing a rich set of choices for interaction with NPCs.
You don't want hyper-realistic. Look at the problems the porn industry is having now that they're starting to shoot in HD. They have to hide the wrinkles, the zits, etc. Even in real life, we tend not to notice, because we quickly move our focus elsewhere - real life is IMMERSIVE. However, on TV or video games, the ONLY place we're looking is on-screen - so we really can't ignore the faults. "Good enough" is sometimes superior to "excellent rendition". 24fps id "good enough."
I think for scariness, first person is required. I personally cannot get scared by a game that is in third person. Obviously games like FEAR 1 and 2 are scary games anyway (shame the devs couldn't resist the temptation to have cheap full screen scares otherwise those games would be perfect for scary ambience, so the award stays with System Shock 2), but putting things in first person makes an otherwise normal game take on a creepiness when it chooses to. In first person, the crypt in Arx Fatalis becomes a nightmare in parts; the cradle in Thief DS - hell the zombie filled areas in Thief 1 - still scare. Even games like Oblivion can put you on edge because when you run from something, and turn around to see where it is, it's right in your face, not right in front of that other person on the screen that you're controlling.
In third person, the game is scaring the character you're controlling, in first person, the game is scaring you.
As for immersion proper, I think it's definitely a shooter related thing. I find the Gothic games to be incredibly immersive, yet I only play them in third person. I find older titles such as Freedom Fighters, Giants and Messiah to be quite immersive, and again I played them all in third person, but outside of Freedom Fighters, none of those games are really 'true' shooters. Maybe it's because Freedom Fighters feels like an arcade game.
Yet if I accidentally drop Oblivion or Morrowind back into third person, the magic is lost for a second while I frantically try and return it to first person. I imagine that immersion is more than just perspective, although it's definitely genre related in some sense. I can't honestly see the Thief games working in third person, even though the third one had the option. Yet I think that, say, Freedom Fighters, would have lost so much had it forced you to play from the perspective of the main character. And Medal of Honor would have been empty had you played from over the shoulder.
On the flip side, Dead Space should have been first person, Resident Evil 4 and 5 lose so much for their perspective, and ... well I honestly can't think of a first person game that should have been third person, because I prefer first person for most things, but some games shouldn't have forced your outside the characters head.
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