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Police Swarm Bungie Office Over Halo Replica Rifle

sv_libertarian writes 'A panicked person in Kirkland, WA called local police on Wednesday, claiming they saw someone walking down the street with an AK-47. It was actually a Bungie employee carrying an overgrown model of a Halo sniper rifle, which resembles an AK-47 as much as a Volkswagen resembles a Formula 1 racer.' Halo 3: ODST is set to launch on September 22nd, and fans got some new details and early looks at the game during PAX.

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  1. Comment removed by account_deleted · · Score: 5, Funny

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  2. Bungie dials 911...Free Publicity... by Jackie_Chan_Fan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Win!

  3. Ah, paranoia by DesScorp · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe Congress can attempt to pass an "Assault Replica" bill.

    I've never understood the logic of banning a gun because it looks scary. American "assault rifles" are semi-automatic. Pull the trigger, and one shot comes out. Politicians want to ban them because they look intimidating next to, say, a standard bolt-action Ruger 30.06. This is like banning a V-6 equipped Camaro because "it looks fast".

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    1. Re:Ah, paranoia by Maxmin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      ammo companies aren't going to increase their production lines too much because the increased buying was caused first by Obama's anti-gun tendencies and has continued because of the extremely large expansion in government power

      Huh? You who didn't notice the "extremely large expansion in government power" during the Bush era deserve to get your playtoys taken away.

      Didn't notice a one of you showing up to Bush's (few) public speaking engagements packin' 2nd amendment heat, not during the time he expanded the federal budget and deficit to new record levels, all the while crossing out sections of new law just cus his lawyers say he can.

      Now that you got a Democratic president, you're all up in arms. Whoop-te-do, you're at least five years late.

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    2. Re:Ah, paranoia by epilido · · Score: 5, Informative

      you mean like this????

      Pearl highschool "However, assistant principal Joel Myrick retrieved a .45 pistol from the glove compartment of his truck and subdued Woodham inside his mother's car." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pearl_High_School_shooting

      or

      Colorado church shooting. "Chief Richard Myers called the Colorado Springs church security staffer "a courageous security staff member who probably saved many lives." http://www.cnn.com/2007/US/12/09/church.shooting/

      Before you say that the church security office was a trained individual. please read about the story. as I remember it the church had some word that something might happen and they asked a few people to act as security guards. "
      At this point, Jeanne Assam, a church member volunteering as a church security guard, opened fire on Murray with her personally owned concealed weapon" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_Colorado_YWAM_and_New_Life_shootings

      While I agree that these 2 incidents do not prove the value of CCW. they make a clear statement that not only professionally trained law enforcement officers stop these type of crimes. There are many under reported cases of private citizens stopping criminal behavior with a firearm.

      Epi

    3. Re:Ah, paranoia by MartinSchou · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, try comparing the US with the EU and look at firearm related deaths per 100,000

      They aren't entirely comparable as they are very different culturally, and comprised of nations that have recently had wars fought on their own soil, come out from under the boot of military dictatorships or have had relative peace for a few hundred years. And you need to piece together the EU numbers yourself. Even better, that list doesn't contain all EU members either.

      It seems there are no available combined statistics for the EU, which I find rather sad and slightly disturbing, considering the amount of pressure for even tougher weapon laws. Denmark is currently in an uproar because a 19-year-old kid has been sentenced to the mandatory 7 days in prison for having two box cutters in the front door of his car, when he was picking up a friend from a club.

      Best I could come up with was simply averaging across the 14 available EU member countries and I came up with this:
      [Firearm homicide rate];[Non firearm homicide rate];[total] (all per 100,000) between 1998 and 2000.
      USA - [2.97];[1.58];[4.55]
      EU - [0.85];[3.73];[4.58]

      Austria, Belgium, The Czech Republic, Cyprus, France, Greece, Italy, Luxembourg, Malta, The Netherlands, Romania, Sweden aren't listed. I'm also missing a country but I can't figure out which one.

      It should be noted that while none of the listed EU countries have a higher firearm rate than the US, five countries have higer homicide rates (highest was 12.3/100,000).

      And while Eurostat does have some info, it doesn't seem to allow you to separate whether or not firearms were involved.

      Generally speaking firearms doesn't stop people getting killed. It just means they'll be killed in a different way. At least that's what the '98 to '00 statistics seem to say.

      But finding usable data on non-homicide crimes that (doesn't) involve guns is going to be even trickier.

    4. Re:Ah, paranoia by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Do you have an example of this?

      There were enough examples of this in Israel that the perps switched tactics. Trying to shoot up a shopping mall became ineffective, since the attacker didn't manage to hurt many people before being shot by several armed civilians. They started using improvised rockets instead, with a range of several miles.

      Hypothetical mass murders being an argument for concealed weapons is weak at best.

      Most of the time, when a firearm is used for self-defense, it's not even necessary to fire it. Just showing it to the perp tends to make them reconsider.

      -jcr

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  4. Well, to be fair, by Hawthorne01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...it doesn't look like an AK-47, but that's become the generic term for "semi-automatic rifle with detachable magazine", thanks in part to lazy reporters who don't know the 1st thing about firearms.

    However, it does look like a whole lot like a Barrett .50 sniper rifle, so even I'd wonder if it was the real deal or not.

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  5. Older games weapons by gmuslera · · Score: 4, Funny

    If you go around with a replica of a BFG-9000, the name of the gun claimed would be probably more similar to the actual weapon name.

  6. Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs by rarel · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well you never know the tripod could start moving and shrieking Ulla Ulla Ulla and shit. I don't trust these bastards, never have never will.

  7. Re:Death of the 2nd by dunkelfalke · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Bullshit. The Americans are just scared of someone walking around.

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  8. Re:The police are morons by Rogerborg · · Score: 5, Insightful

    +1 Informative, -1 Angry Ranting Nerd.

    Washington may be an open carry State, but are fully automatic firearms legal there? Are weapons with a caliber larger than .50 legal? Google before answering, and look at the size of the 'weapon' in question.

    Under Washington law, it is an offence to open-carry with the intent to cause alarm. A bystander was alarmed enough to dial 911. It's up to an officer to determine whether that alarm was intentional.

    So the police investigated, determined that no crime had been committed, and left some sensible advice. Advice, not orders. Seems about right to me.

    Next time you hear about some scruffy looking guy dragging a massive gun down the street, and you choose to move towards that person, then you get to armchair quarterback police response to firearms calls. M'kay?

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  9. Still looks like a big-ass gun to me... by NoNeeeed · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Whether it resembles an AK47 or not, it still looks like a scary looking piece of kit to the untrained eye. I know nothing about guns, and while it looks comically oversized, I wouldn't automatically assume it was fake.

    As a part-time theatre tech, I sometimes have to transport fake guns for shows, and I always do it discreetly. Just because I know they are fake, doesn't mean other people will, or indeed should know. It's not like people take classes on gun recognition at school. Unless you have an interest in such things, I don't see why you would know what different guns look like.

    Reminds me of that girl who strolled into an airport with circuit-boards, wires and blinking lights attached to her jumper, and was surprised when security got rather twitchy. It might not have looked like a bomb to you and I, but to the average person bought up on a diet of Hollywood films, where the bombs always have sticky out wires and flashing lights (and beep, just to let you know they are there), it certainly looked suspicious.

    At least in this case the police were a bit more calm and restrained once they figured out what was going on.

    1. Re:Still looks like a big-ass gun to me... by iphayd · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Right, but in this instance the police acted appropriately... They were alerted to a potential threat, contained it, discovered it wasn't a threat at all and left. No charges were filed, and a suggestion was given that would result in a whole lot of police and Bungie staff not having their time wasted.

      To the guy that said carrying the gun was political speech. Bullshit. In this instance, an employee was carrying a piece of equipment from point a to point b. That equipment just happened to be something that the general public took as a threat. The police suggested a way to alleviate time wasted in the future.

      If they were to actually carry this item as political speech, it would be wise to alert the police that you are doing so _before_ you start marching around with a fake gun. Otherwise, you are _very_ likely to be looking down the barrel of a very real gun.

  10. Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs by bcmm · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've seen people get paralyzed because a black beetle crawled across the kitchen counter. I suspect many people have the same irrational fear of guns, [...] It's a phobia which is NOT rational

    The thing that makes the beetle phobia irrational is that the beetle involved is harmless (well, technically I'm probably making an assumption about what part of the world you're from there). Whatever you think about gun control, you surely don't think they aren't dangerous. What exactly would you consider a rational phobia?

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  11. Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs by DragonWriter · · Score: 4, Informative

    No. Read the Constitution mister cop (you know, that thing you pledged to protect, but apparently never read). Carrying a flag, sign, or other item is considered "symbolic speech" according to the Supreme Court and therefore protected.

    Police are permitted to advise people that they would be generally better off doing things even when those things are not legally mandatory; of course, people are also free to ignore such advise, arouse suspicion in their neighbors, have the police called and have the police arrive to investigate. That something is Constitutionally protected doesn't mean it isn't suspicious to your neighbors, and it doesn't mean the police won't investigate when they get a report, and that both the report and the follow-up inquiry won't be perfectly legal.

  12. Re:AK47? by Chrisq · · Score: 4, Funny

    Nobody called the police. In fact, my friend was carrying the other weapon I bought, a AR-15.

    You're obviously a white guy

  13. Re:AK47? by LearnToSpell · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah, I wish AKs were a common sight in my neighbourhood, so I'd be able to recognize them at a glance.

  14. Re:Perhaps not an AK47 by P0ltergeist333 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    In an age where it is not unheard of for a citizen to gun down schoolmates and coworkers, I think erring on the side of caution when someone is wielding a dangerous looking weapon in a populated area is appropriate no matter what the gun laws are. And I am not a fan of the police by any means.

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  15. Re:Ugh... by SL+Baur · · Score: 4, Funny

    If toy guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have toy guns. Wouldn't that be a good thing?

  16. Re:Ugh... by Chatsubo · · Score: 4, Funny

    "And now, they're looking at banning toy guns.... and they're going to KEEP THE FUCKING REAL ONES!" - George Carlin

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  17. Re:Some people fear guns like they fear bugs by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which makes being alarmed when a stranger walks down a city street with a huge gun not a phobia.

  18. Re:AK47? by Razalhague · · Score: 4, Insightful

    why would you expect

    I expect people to recognize the gun if they call it by name.

  19. Re:AK47? by Kral_Blbec · · Score: 4, Informative

    Heh, too true. (I live in Eastern WA)

    Note it is also completely legal in Washington to have a unconcealed firearm without a permit. There was a court case of a felon carrying two rifles to a pawn shop that got stopped and arrested for possession. It had to be thrown out (even though he was in illegal possession) because the cops had no probable cause to arrest him even though he was walking down the street in broad daylight with two rifles. That set the precedent for OC in Washington.

  20. Re:AK47? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Actually, considering that my neighbors are all upstanding, law-abiding citizens, I'd be thrilled if they all carried AKs. That'd be one helluva deterrent for criminals thinking about causing trouble.

  21. Re:AK47? by budgenator · · Score: 5, Funny

    Years ago I was talking to a guy who was a civil war re-in-actor and he told me about traveling from Michigan to New York via Ontario. He pulled up to Canadian Customs and the agent asked him if he was bringing any weapons into Canada. He was kind of taken aback but answered" Well yes, there is a cannon on the trailer with 20 cannon balls and black power for ammunition" this was all in plain sight. The Customs agent then said "but no handguns or unregistered rifles or shotguns?" he replied "no. but I do have a saber in the trunk" to which the Customs agent replied Thank you have a nice trip."

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  22. Re:Ugh... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're not far wrong... It doesn't look like an AK-47, but it looks scarily similar to a Barret M107.

    http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=50+cal

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  23. Re:AK47? by retchdog · · Score: 4, Funny

    black power for ammunition

    So he was playing a yankee, huh?

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  24. Re:The professor Gates case??? by BlueNoteMKVI · · Score: 4, Informative

    Have you listened to the 911 call? I have - the caller did not mention race until the 911 operator asked her. When asked, she replied "one looked kind of Hispanic but I'm not really sure." This hardly jives with your idea that she was "some busybody neighbor doesn't like your skin color living on her street."

    Agreed, the situation could have been handled much better on both sides. Personally from what I've read I think Gates was just being a twit and the cop didn't do much to help the situation. Before you spew racial vitriol all over the internets, get your facts straight.

    Since you apparently have not yet read the transcript I assume you're too lazy to look it up (it was posted on the front page of major news sites for some time after the incident). I'll save you the google time and provide a link:
    http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/transcript_of_gates_call_1llqzVbjNMc0kloOxegLhO