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eBay Denies New Design Is Broken, Blames Users

krick-zero writes "eBay recently rolled out a new page design. Many eBay sellers are reporting issues with missing description text, resulting in lost sales. Buyers are reporting the same intermittent issue, on multiple platforms, with multiple browsers. After complaining to eBay customer service, one user got this response: 'I have reviewed several of your listings using my computer and had several of my coworkers view your listings as well and we are seeing the complete listings. Many times when buyers are not able to see the whole description or just bits and pieces it is due to browser issues they are having. A lot of times if they simply clear out their cache and cookies or change browsers (i.e. change from Internet explorer to Firefox or vice versa) they no longer have this problem.'"

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  1. Sorry, this is eBay's fault. by mysidia · · Score: 5, Informative

    Expecting users to switch browsers or clear cache to see page text is absurd.

    If users can't see description text, they have a bug in their application.

    By the way. I'm not at all pleased with the new eBay design.

    They think they're being all fancy, cute, and Web 2.0-like i'm sure.

    And in the process... forgetting about the quality of the user experience and ease of use (which includes not having to switch browsers, clear cache, cookies, re-login, and other voodoo "self help" techniques), which basically are hallmarks of a low-quality, poorly done, poorly tested web site.

    And straight up, that sucks, and shows unprofessional behavior on eBay's part IMO.

    It's not the least bit hard to hire and train CSRs who won't blame the user for everything, and who'll actually help determine what's going wrong, and get the user in touch with someone to report the bugs....

    Blame the user, or their choice of browser is the absolute worst thing they could possibly do. In a decade when standards-based is the norm, and REAL web-sites are tested and qualified with the major browsers, including IE7, IE8, Firefox, Safari, Opera, etc, and any malfunction of the site is the site's problem, not just the complaining users' problem!

    1. Re:Sorry, this is eBay's fault. by Johann+Lau · · Score: 5, Informative

      you are so utterly wrong. what you posted just specifies that the page expires at that date, it doesn't say anything about any linked elements. those send their own HTTP headers. speaking of that: never use META tags when you can send HTTP headers instead, and please just use "0" instead of making up dates in the past.

  2. More business for Craigslist!!! by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 5, Informative

    Excessive use of fragile and unreliable, non-standards-compliant Javascript? Check.
    Excessive use of meaningless graphics, slowing browsing and usability but reducing the number of successful page changes by clients? Check.
    Obvious uselessness for those with visual problems? Check.
    Unnecessary re-arrangement of straightforward design to force a "new paradigm" as part of some advertising exec's "new vision"? Check.
    No improvement in user experience or actual usable features added? Check.
    Disable current generation of sniping tools, forcing them to hire engineers for at least 30 minutes work to update their clients? Check.

    Driving people to the plain-text, plain-language, you can even rent cheap hookers there traffic of Craigslist? Check.

  3. Re:Lack of standards. by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Informative

    >>>Because [1970s] Open Standards were harsh. Like the standards for an audio tape or even an audio CD.

    You wrote a nice soliloquy but it's based on a false premise. The examples you list were Not standards. Audio tapes and CDs were *proprietary* formats owned by Philips and Sony/Philips respectively. And in the 1970s there was a giant war between 8-track and compact cassette. Also Betamax and VHS. Also 3" versus 3.2" versus 3.5" floppies.

    You are seeing in the golden haze of nostalgia a time period when "everything just worked" but that never existed. Format wars and differing formats have always been a problem. (Yes even the inventor of the phonograph Edison had to deal with rival formats.)

    --
    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
  4. Re:Lack of standards. by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Informative

    Yep:

    - Floppies ranged in size from 8 inch to 5 inch to 3.5 inch to 3 inch
    - Computers were available from Atari, Apple, Commodore, Texas Instruments and not compatible with one another
    - Movies might be sold on videotape, or videorecord, or laserdisc, or film
    - Music might be sold on records, or 45s, or 78s, or compact cassettes, or 8-tracks
    - Game systems were Odyssey, Atari,Intellivision, Magnavox
    - VCRs could be either VHS or Betamax or Umatic

    Any view that the 70s were somehow free of format problems is merely nostalgia. There were plenty of of problems with formats.

    --
    "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
  5. Re:Always the same story by mikeplokta · · Score: 4, Informative

    PayPal most certainly is a bank. In Europe. If you want entities that hold your money to be regulated as banks in the US as well, then tell your Congressman, not Slashdot.