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French Deputies Want Labels On Photo-Altered Models

Psychophrenes writes "A number of French deputies are proposing to pass a law requiring all published photos that were modified by means of an image manipulation program to include a statement indicating that 'the photo was altered in order to modify the appearance of a person.' This indication is to be mandatory on all ads, packaging images, political posters and even art photos, and is considered a matter of public health, aimed at fighting anorexia." The related article is in French, but Google Translate does a pretty good job.

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  1. Aren't ALL photos modified these days? by davidwr · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Isn't the very act of scanning and printing using a computer a digital modification?

    What if the camera's software tweaked the lighting or white-balance as the picture was being taken?

    If all photographs are labeled, then the label becomes meaningless.

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    1. Re:Aren't ALL photos modified these days? by raju1kabir · · Score: 5, Interesting

      I think the point is that you have to put it on if you "modify the appearance of a person". I would doubt that modifying the white-balance would count as this, but agree that it will be hard to choose an arbitrary point to draw the line of what does and what does not need the disclaimer.

      More like impossible, if you want it to be meaningful.

      If you've spent some time working with photographers, you know that moving a light just a tiny bit can dramatically change how much someone appears to weigh. Changing the colour of light - or even the colour of other nearby objects that reflect some light - can change someone from vibrant to sickly. And don't even get started on makeup. Labeling only an arbitrary set of electronic manipulations is at best a joke. It'll be great news for touch-up artists who still have their old-school airbrushes, though.

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    2. Re:Aren't ALL photos modified these days? by Anonymusing · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Reminds me of the Evolution video from Dove. Apparently advertising does affect some girls, at least some of the time.

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    3. Re:Aren't ALL photos modified these days? by YouWantFriesWithThat · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think most people spend most of their time oiled up, bent over and spread

      he clearly stated that it was paris hilton

  2. Soylent Green by ATestR · · Score: 5, Funny

    But does this apply to persons only? I hope we'd finally get to know the truth about McDonalds hamburgers. Or can we count them as persons?

    Well, maybe they were at one time...

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  3. Why stop there? by TheBilgeRat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why not make it mandatory to label surgically altered models also? I want to know the boobies I look at are all natural.

  4. McSoylent Green by davidwr · · Score: 5, Funny

    Two all-beef Patties, Special Scott and Lester Cheese picking bunions on a Sesame Street Bus?

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  5. Re:Girlfriend by MrMr · · Score: 5, Funny

    You mean removing the antlers?
    We knew that.

  6. it's not men driving this phenomenon by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    men's magazines are full of pictures of... women

    women's magazines are full of pictures of... women

    except the women in men's magazines are usually well-proportioned in the t&a department

    meanwhile, the women in women's magazines are pure heroin chic: ribs showing, no curves. yuck

    i really don't know why, but for some reason the female standard of feminine beauty (as opposed to the male standard of feminine beauty) is starvation porn. women for some reason or another think the ideal female form is that of a prebuscent boy

    as for the magazine industry "creating" or "feeding" this phenomenon: no, if it didn't appeal to women on some level, the magazine wouldn't sell. media and consumer exist in co-dependency. media follows what its audience wants, for obvious reasons: $. (as an aside, this simple truth should dispel the whole idea of media-created trends on a whole number of other issues that some people believe: its the audience, not the media, stop blaming the media)

    if you want to know what men want and like in the female form, it is well-established fact, biological fact, not cultural, that men prefer women who are heck of a lot more well-fed than what women see as an ideal

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_of_Willendorf

    the whole scary skinny trend in high fashion is created by, and perpetuated by, and invested in, by women, not men. yes, there are few strange men who actually prefer their women to be unfeminine stick figures, but these men are not the norm

    so girls, listen up, from the male perspective of beauty: go fix yourself a sammich. its your fellow women that want you to waste away, and on some archaic level we don't understand, its your own strange female mind that wants you to be so skinny, not us men

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  7. Re:This ad paid for by... by Lord+Ender · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You sound like a programmer who is completely ignorant of how legal systems work.

    Laws aren't written like "if photo.is_manipulated() then display_disclaimer() end". They actually use words and sentences to express the intent of the law in a reasonable way. Cropping will not be considered manipulation; airbrushing will. Furthermore, even "gray area" can be part of law, thanks to an amazing technology called "courts."

    Basically, your objections are complete nonsense.

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  8. Unintended consequeces by dbIII · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Actually in Australia for many years Playboy and Penthouse published nude photos with women's genitals airbrushed smooth to look like a Barbie doll. That created a generation of women that think something is wrong with them and that they should have bits cut off.

    1. Re:Unintended consequeces by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      I mean, Ken just kinda had this lump, but that didn't frighten me into worrying about the strange dangly thing hanging between my legs, much less make me want to cut it off...!

      It did for me. Many times a day I used to pull it hoping it would fall off.

  9. Anorexia as a role model is the problem... by yogibaer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    not Photoshop. As long as fashion models have to be under normal weight to be accepted for the top fashion shows and magazines, young girls will follow this role model and that is the real problem, not photoshopping bad skin. If you type "anorexic models" into any search engine you find a lot of gruesome stories about girls who literally starved themselves to death on the job. Alternatively: force yourself to watch "Fashion TV" for an hour. That's not a new problem ("Twiggy" turned 60 last week, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twiggy) and not one likely to be changed by any law.

  10. Absurd by noidentity · · Score: 5, Funny
    "Disclaimer:

    1) This two-dimenstional photo is an alteration of the model depicted. The actual model exists in three dimensions and has volume, unlike this photo. Do not attempt to reduce your volume to zero, as it might affect your health.

    2) The photo of this model is only 7 inches tall. The actual model is over 5 feet tall. Do not attempt to reduce your height to only 7 inches, as it might affect your health."

  11. Re:Porn and hamburgers by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "It might be a little annoying reading a porn magazine which has the text "'the photo was altered in order to modify the appearance of a person." thrown all over it."

    I'm reminded of California's cancer "warning label" law. I stayed at a hotel a couple months ago, and there's a sign right at the door - "This building may contained substances known in the State of California to cause cancer." Same at the parking garage.

    Label everything, meaning nothing.

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  12. Ethics of photomanipulation by PhxBlue · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As a photojournalist, I think it would be interesting to see just how many photos in fashion magazines are airbrushed or otherwise manipulated after the fact. In terms of ethics, I was taught and have come to believe that there are a few "ethical" manipulations -- cropping, limited use of burning and dodging, etc., that you can use while still maintaining the integrity of the original photo. But once you change what was actually there -- whether it's airbrushing the blemishes off a model's face or using the clone stamp tool to take a few pounds off her hips -- you've crossed into photomanipulation. And it's only fair for people to know when this is taking place, IMO.

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  13. Re:Porn and hamburgers by A+coward+on+a+mouse · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pictures of burgers are representative of the type of burger you can expect, you do not expect the exact burger that is in the photo otherwise they would have to take a lot of photos!

    I can only assume that one or more of the following is true:

    1. You have never seen a McDonalds hamburger.
    2. You have never seen a picture advertising McDonalds hamburgers.
    3. You are vision-impaired.
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  14. This is so important ... by Rambo+Tribble · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ... since the anorexia epidemic is so much greater a problem than the obesity one.