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Honda's Answer To the Segway

lcreech writes with an excerpt from the Daily Mail's description of a new Segway-style one-person vehicle being shown off by Honda: "The vehicle looks like a very modern unicycle and to ride it you simply lean your weight in the direction you want to go, whether that's forward, backwards or even sideways. It maintains its own balance travelling up to 3.7MPH. Not very fast."

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  1. Good and bad, computer chair version and some beer by sopssa · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lets be happy that we're probably the last generation that can watch how the beautiful girls walk on street in their red dresses and nice legs and ass. Sooner or later this will be reality, in a bad and a good way. While convenience is nice, it has bad sides too.

    That being said, I would so use this. Can I get a comfortable computer chair version too, so I can get a beer easily (and one of those japanese beer serving machines please )

  2. My review by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

    No handlebars. Less speed than a Segway. Lame.

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  3. Not cool enough by stjobe · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Until I get this I'm not satisfied.

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    1. Re:Not cool enough by Tacvek · · Score: 4, Informative

      The real answer is that side to side balance is maintained by precession, (like on a bicycle) combined with some additional balancing by shifting body weight (also critical on a bike). Unlike on a bike, steering based corrections to balance are not present. With sufficiently wide wheel unicycles, wheel geometry becomes the primary side to side stabilzing method.

      Steering is completely based on leaning in normal unicycles. Normal bicycles also include an additional steering component (the additional wheel that turns).

      Forward and backwards balance is maintained by a combination of of creating a mental feedback loop that causes one to vary cycling speed as necessary to keep the seat roughly upright, along with manually shifting weight forwards and backwards.

      For electronic unicycles, steering and side to side balance generally are the same as with manual ones. However the forward and backwards stability does not rely on any weight shifting on the part of the rider, but solely on varying the motor speed as needed to keep the seat upright.

      Using a feedback system for keeping the seat upright automatically gives the segway-style speed control on these devices. In order to do more traditional style speed controls requires a more complicated system that varies the angle of the seat that the system tries to maintain as necessary such that the average speed remains as desired. Far more complicated, and not needed, so I've not seen any e-unicycle that does not use segway-style speed control.

      There are some tricks that allow steering not based on leaning, and some of the e-unicycle designs I have seen use those, but others use lean based steering which works fine, except for at near stationary speeds, but some of these other systems allow for a smaller turning radius.

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  4. Re:3.7 MPH?! by MyLongNickName · · Score: 4, Funny

    Somehow, I am thinking that the people who would use this would not be capable of walking faster.

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  5. self-filtering user group by gobbo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you're intrepid enough to sit on a motorized unicycle, automated stabilizers aside, you're very likely able and willing to walk 4mph. So, it's no surprise they don't plan on bringing it to market.

    However, nice proof of concept as a base for robots.

  6. Been done already... by jizziknight · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This place: http://focusdesigns.com/ has a working version that you can buy today, apparently. It's also more than twice as fast at 10 MPH.

    Actually, a lot of people have done this before. Just google "self balancing unicycle" or "powered unicycle".

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  7. Re:Good and bad, computer chair version and some b by russ1337 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    that was my first thought... an awesome office chair.

    Second thought was that it will work some muscles that aren't normally used.. with all that leaning moving and stuff...

  8. stepping stone by Ogive17 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This is just a proof of concept project. Honda encourages engineers to pursue "pet" projects in mobility. The ones with promise are given more resources. Sometimes they even become actual products, like Honda Jet.

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  9. Re:Good and bad, computer chair version and some b by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 4, Funny

    Where I live there is a disturbing number of scooters for the grossly obese - those people who are so corpulent that even walking is beyond them. Whenever I see one, I get to thinking that the only reason why Segways haven't brought on the chubpocalypse is because they were priced too high for lower income people (who have the highest rate of obesity) to afford.

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  10. The way this works is cool. by MaWeiTao · · Score: 4, Insightful

    While in general this thing is completely pointless, the way the wheel itself works is really cool. It's composed of cylinders which form the ring for the main wheel but allow sideways movement. Leave it up to the Japanese to dream up the most useless application for advanced technology, but it's cool that they're exploring unconventional concepts.

  11. Re:sounds familiar by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The single wheel on the U3-X is made up of many tiny motor-controlled wheels, packed inside the bigger wheel, allowing the device to swerve in any direction.

    A wheel made of up of smaller wheels is one of the classic bad ideas of robotics. Back in the 1980s, when robot motion planning software barely worked, many mobile robots were "holonomic" or "omni-drive": they could move in any direction without turning first. One of the popular geometries was three big wheels on axes 120 degrees apart (that robot is in a display case in the lobby of the computer science building at Stanford), with each big wheel composed of little wheels around the rim. This mechanism can execute any rotation or translation.

    The problem is that the little wheels only work on hard, flat terrain. Shag rugs are a problem. Grass, dirt, and mud, no way.

  12. Unicycles - quite a good urban vehicle by Lemming+Mark · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I commuted to work by unicycle for several years and have done hundreds of miles in total. Modern unicycles have come a long way from the old days of a circus exhibit. There are lot of people who ride very long distances on them. A unicycle won't suit most people for commuting but it actually has more plus points than you'd think ...

    * Lighter weight than a bike, relatively easy to pick up and carry, or wheel along.
    * Takes less space than a bike to store indoors.
    * Cheaper than a bike of equivalent quality.
    * Once you're skilled you can "idle" on the spot (or just hop occasionally to shift the thing back under your centre of mass) so you may not have to put a foot down when waiting in traffic or at lights.
    * Potentially very mechanically simple.
    * Good exercise, including for your core muscles due to the postural component of keeping balanced.

    It's also a good attention grabber, if you like that sort of thing. I've observed that a lot of geeks, particularly computer geeks, seem to like unicycling. My guess is that this is because, relative to a bike, it requires a high degree of mental engagement but in a non-intellectual way. So you get to exercise your brain but in a way which distracts you from the pressures of logical thought processes.

    There are some commuting unicycles here:
    http://www.unicycle.com/shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=1&subcat=7&cat=Commuter
    Note that handlebars are available, which allows experienced riders to take some weight of their "bits". Combined with modern saddles, a unicycle is a lot less punishing to your nether regions than you'd expect, though you obviously still need to take care!

    Finally, at the high end of the price range, there are unicycles with the Schlumpf (and Kris Holm-Schlumpf) hub-based gearing system. No exposed gearing but you can get something like a 1.5:1 increase in gear ratio, allowing you go go much faster whilst still having the wheel be small and light. In some ways I'd think this would be the best urban commuting unicycle for experienced riders.

    There are clear disadvantages to a unicycle to but I figure some folks here might be interested anyhow. Because an unpowered unicycle has made such a good commuting vehicle for me I wouldn't be surprised if an electrical one is actually more practical than you'd expect.

    [if anyone wants to find out more, the rec.sport.unicycling newsground, also available as a forum http://unicyclist.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=3 will be able to answer your questions or you can just reply to me here - it's arguably even on topic!]

    1. Re:Unicycles - quite a good urban vehicle by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      "it requires a high degree of mental engagement but in a non-intellectual way."

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  13. Re:Good and bad, computer chair version and some b by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't worry, I'm sure that when horses were first tamed someone bemoaned the loss of walking. I imagine the same thing happened when the carriage was invented, and the bicycle, and the automobile. Pretty girls will still walk, and when they don't they usually get fat, anyway.

    Nothing to worry about in that respect.

  14. Re:Just what America needs! by mdarksbane · · Score: 5, Funny

    Bicycles are far too hard on the environment. You have to mine the iron and aluminum ore and burn coal to process it. That not even counting the (imported) petroleum in the great grease, vulcanized rubber in the wheels, and poly-something-or-other foam in the seat.

      Go for the original in environmentally friendly transportation - horses! And when your old model wears out, you can recycle it into glue and dog food!

  15. FInally! by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

    Something I can sit on while using my treadmill~

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  16. Re:Good and bad, computer chair version and some b by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The girls who need to ride something around instead of walking reasonable distances don't stay beautiful for long.

    Now, there's nothing quite like pretty girls in skirts riding bicycles.

  17. Re:Yes, but where is the "RISK OF DEATH" label? by Salamande · · Score: 4, Informative

    Hate to break it to you, but Toyota does robotics, as well. Most heavy industries do at least a bit of this stuff, especially in Japan.

  18. Stone Age Tech... by jameskojiro · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Just read the comic B.C.

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  19. Re:Yes, but where is the "RISK OF DEATH" label? by slamb · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Except, with the Honda vehicle, if there is a failure in the computer system, you die. ... I rode a Segway. It had a RISK OF DEATH (all caps) label.

    If the bicycle were invented today, it would come with that label. We live in a society that is increasingly litigious and risk-averse. These both apply more for newer and higher-tech things - more so for commercial airplanes than cars, in spite of their relative risks.

    People don't usually die in {bicycle,Segway,Honda thing} crashes, but they do sometimes, and for a new device, that's enough that its creators usually fear lawsuits without that label. These things might be a bit silly and overpriced, but they're not dangerous no matter what the stupid sticker says.

  20. Re:Yes, but where is the "RISK OF DEATH" label? by Rogerborg · · Score: 4, Funny

    That sticker is really big. I bet a child could easily pry it off and choke on it.

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