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High-Tech Gadgets Can Pose Problems At Mexican Border

TechnologyResource writes "Going across the border will be a more 'interesting' experience since Customs and Border Protection will now be checking laptops, digital cameras, cell phones and any other electronics on your person or in your vehicle. It's not a new authority, according to Angelica De Cima, Office of Public Affairs Liaison 'They've always had the right to inspect your person, vehicle, baggage, anything on you. Nothing has changed from before,' De Cima said."

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  1. information smuggling? by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "He said anyone coming across could be a terrorist, drug dealer or someone trying to carry or take information out of the country by hiding it in a smaller device."

    Why not just FTP it. Or hide a microSD card inside a cake? It should bake okay, the chip inside gets put under higher temps than the inside of cupcake when they place them on a PCB. The plastic on a uSD might melt a little, but I suspect the information will still be there.

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    1. Re:information smuggling? by mmelson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bake it IN the cake? That seems a bit extreme. Why not just bake the cake, let it cool, insert the microSD, then frost. If they start defrosting cakes while searching people, they deserve to find it.

    2. Re:information smuggling? by baudbarf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Holy frijoles. You just conspired to commit a crime. See how easy that was?

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    3. Re:information smuggling? by NoYob · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The border patrol is just looking for stupid criminals and terrorists - like that old guy with the young boy and the camera with the incriminating evidence. It's also for "security theater".

      On the other hand, the smart criminals and terrorists will get away with it and then there will be more infringements on our liberty to "keep us safe" - from the stupid criminals and terrorists. Then the cycle repeats.

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    4. Re:information smuggling? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've lived on border cities almost my entire life. Even my hispanic coworkers agree(and those poor bastards have to wait hours at the border crossing just to make an honest living) that it's all just security theater, another half-baked escalation to justify the creation of the wasteful, ham-handed gestapo called DHS. It goes without saying that I can still get cocaine or any other drug anytime I want stateside, and that won't change anytime soon.

      So they scoop up a pic of child porn or an occasional drug bust and hype the hell out of it in the news, problem solved. A budget for next year, and no admission that the creation of the DHS was a colossal mistake. Of course, they'll have their work cut out for them when the United States becomes the next Nazi Germany and they're tasked with sealing the borders.

    5. Re:information smuggling? by Threni · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They can't stop drugs getting into prisons - why bother pretending you can stop it across thousands of miles of unguarded border? And as for information - well, perhaps some of the minimum wage pigs and grunts they hire to pose in their security theatre are stupid enough to believe "checking" a laptop is going to prevent information getting into Mexico and help them create a rival utopia, but it seems like a bit of a waste of time to me. Still, I'm sure it all makes sense to someone.

    6. Re:information smuggling? by Carthag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hypotheticals aren't conspiracy.

      Yet

    7. Re:information smuggling? by Anonymous+Cowpat · · Score: 3, Insightful

      cake baking is an important social skill, second only to playing a musical instrument.

      Get a good recipe, follow it to the letter, and if you still screw it up, you don't deserve cake.

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    8. Re:information smuggling? by Golddess · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And for every idiot caught, there are unknown numbers who did the smart thing and sent it encrypted via some physical mail service, FTP, or any number of other methods that such searching does absolutely jack for.

      So why, exactly, is it acceptable to toss out the 4th amendment when all we're doing is removing one of many easy methods of transferring data across the border?

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  2. I predict... by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that US customs agents will some of the first thugs against the wall when the revolution comes.

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    1. Re:I predict... by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

      The problem is that it's easier to find loopholes than it is to plug them. All it takes is one guy at DHS thinking in his cubical to come up with a semi-plausible legal rational for this kind of thing. To have the rational refuted takes someone willing to sacrafice years of their life and fight it all the way to the supreme court. It takes thousands of man hours, sometimes millions of dollars to refute even the simpliest of arguments. And what happens after? The DHS says 'oh well' and goes back to the way things were before. No one is held accountable, no one is punished, and there is nothing to prevent the same worthless peon from coming up with another rational a week later.

  3. ...and then a quick call... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Blue corvette with three gringos heading south route X should pass through your village in 20 minutes. They have laptops, top-notch cellphones, some GPS stuff and wallets full of cash. I'd say some $15k in various assets. Remember, 10% is mine."

  4. Security Theater at its finest by tenton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Searching the 9/11 hijackers wouldn't have stopped them. It's not like they had their plans saved on their computers. Why do we accept this kind of crap whenever anyone says the magic words "9/11"? We don't even need to change the policy at the airport...people are going to beat down hijackers now, on their own.

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin.

    1. Re:Security Theater at its finest by pluther · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They attacked us because they hate our freedom.

      So we get rid of it. Makes sense.

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    2. Re:Security Theater at its finest by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      people are going to beat down hijackers now, on their own

      Shhh.. if you mention that the 9/11 problem was solved in a plane over a field in rural PA just over an hour after the first plane hit the towers by ordinary Americans (who can comprehend real security very well) then there's no need for massive expansion of government. Why aren't you patriotic?

      What's next, are you going to tell us that with hardened cockpit doors there's absolutely no need to confiscate small pointy objects from passengers? You one of those terrists, son?

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  5. ICE has nearly unlimited search power... by pongo000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...which is rather scary. Used to work for US Customs many years ago (before it was ICE), and we were legally permitted to basically search *anything* entering the country (including personal mail, something that is a federal crime in most other instances) other than diplomatic mail and pouches. Nothing was off-limits: If it comes from overseas, ICE has the constitutional right (backed by many years of case law) to search it.

    I'm not saying this is a good thing, but every international traveler should be aware of this. Whining about your constitutional rights being violated while standing in the "red" line at your port of entry will simply prolong the agony.

    1. Re:ICE has nearly unlimited search power... by shoemilk · · Score: 3, Insightful

      ICE has the constitutional right

      Actually, no it doesn't. I know I'm being semantic, but no government agency has any "rights", the have privileges. The constitution says (Article I Section I line I) "All legislative Powers herein granted..."

      The difference is important though. Rights are inalienable. Privileges can be revoked.

  6. Re:Linux laptop by tenton · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I wonder what they'll do when they search my 'unusable' Linux laptop.

    See you in 30 days.

    FTFA: CBP is authorized to keep an item or person in question for up to 30 days, although generally this is only if the subject is put into custody.

  7. Re:YRO??!! by icebike · · Score: 3, Insightful

    It is both new and interesting.

    For years, you fill in the form on the airplane, and walk thru customs after a perfunctory stamp stamp, here's your paper, no questions asked, no passport, no ID even looked at upon arrival at the Mexican Airport. Once in a while the "Red light" went off depending on how seedy you looked.

    But by and large, getting into Mexico entailed less scrutiny than returning to the states, where questions were asked, documents were demanded, and bags were scanned and opened.

    Times change. But Mexico has always been lax.

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  8. Have the right != shoul do so by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think from a Constitutional perspective they are correct that they have the right to do such inspections. However, doing them on a large scale is a really bad idea. However, stupidity is not unconstitutional.

  9. apparently by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

    Apparently this is one of those times where the feds take advantage of that massive loo-pole in the fourth amendment effectively allowing them to disregard it in the case of "reasonable" searches and seizures...

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  10. This one scares me on so many levels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First - this is fishing. You aren't actually accused of anything... we are going to search you till we find something. What was the famous quote - something like: "give me 6 lines from the hand of an innocent man and I'll find something to convict him".

    Second - the fact that they found something. After trampling over the rights of 221 million passengers, they found a paedophile. Is that worth the cost? How many rights are you willing to give up to find that paedophile? Having rights and freedoms means that sometimes bad guys get away. To catch all bad guys requires us to live in a panopticon.

    Third - the tone that if you object to this program, you obviously support the paedophile.

    Fourth - I'm from outside the US, but I travel there frequently for business. The entry requirements have risen from a form to being fingerprinted and photographed and carrying biometric data at all times. Is there an upper level to this? What would happen if they require DNA swabs to enter? Is that a step too far? Right now in Chicago, they take a nude photo of you using a new scanner to be able to fly. That is so screwed up.

  11. The great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have extended the thickness of the border by 100 miles as well, so that now 80% of the population can be summarily stopped and searched at anytime.

    Isn't it great?

  12. Re:When will device makers respond? by Frosty+Piss · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Fine, the law says they can conduct a forensic search, but there's no reason I have to make it easy for them.

    If you take this approach, it may be some time before you get your device back, if at all. If they find that they *can't* get into it, they will assume there is a reason they *should* get into it, and they will not give it back until they crack it. If they can't, you mey not see it again. So exect to lose youe strongly encrypted device. Hope it didn't cost too much...

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  13. They've always had the right.... by oldmeddler · · Score: 3, Insightful
    'They've always had the right to inspect your person, vehicle, baggage, anything on you.'

    No, they do not have the "right" to search. They have the power. Big difference.

  14. Story title is wrong by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not "High-Tech Gadgets Can Pose Problems At Mexican Border", it's "High-Tech Gadgets Can Pose Problems At United States Border".

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  15. Re:Fuck All Mexicans by Sperbels · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I figure by 2100 in many areas of Texas, New Mexico and California, English will be taught as a second language.

    Because our primary language will be Chinese.

  16. Power by fnj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have the power. Not the right. There is a difference.

  17. Doesn't even need that... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SD cards are so small that have to be one of the easiest items to hide in the known universe. There's a brazillion places you could tape one to a car or hide it about your person. Dogs can't sniff them out so unless they're going to start strip-searching *everybody* and dismantling every car then they're not going to find them.

    It's just more pointless stupidity from the DHS.

    Don't even get me started on micro-SSD or FTP.

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  18. How CAN they search a laptop? by dbet · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I have a 120 GB drive in my netbook that is maybe half-full. How long would it take for YOU to search the entire drive and make sure it's "clean"? Keep in mind I could have info in the meta-data of my MP3s, or in /etc/default/bluetooth or even in a small encrypted text file that I don't have the software or password to open.

    And that's ONE person's stuff. There's just no way to enforce this.

  19. Re:Calling bullshit on this one! by noundi · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sorry, but I have to call bullshit on this one - EU Airports abuse people anytime they want without any remorse or pretense of politeness.

    Wait YOU call bullshit on this and then proceed claiming that you know the procedures of all EUs countries airports? There is no way in hell you know this. The EU is not one country and there is no "standard procedure" thorughout EU as there is in the US, so don't generalise like that because it makes you sound like an ignorant idiot. And FYI I have never been told to fill out a piece of paper promising that I'm not smuggling snails into the country anywhere else than when I had to TRANSIT through the US. The whole experience was so ridiculous I swear I felt a micro stroke somewhere in my frontal lobe. I'm with the AC parent, transiting through the US fucking sucks horse dick, and you can whip out your biggest patriotic flag without changing that simple fact.

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