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High-Tech Gadgets Can Pose Problems At Mexican Border

TechnologyResource writes "Going across the border will be a more 'interesting' experience since Customs and Border Protection will now be checking laptops, digital cameras, cell phones and any other electronics on your person or in your vehicle. It's not a new authority, according to Angelica De Cima, Office of Public Affairs Liaison 'They've always had the right to inspect your person, vehicle, baggage, anything on you. Nothing has changed from before,' De Cima said."

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  1. information smuggling? by OrangeTide · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "He said anyone coming across could be a terrorist, drug dealer or someone trying to carry or take information out of the country by hiding it in a smaller device."

    Why not just FTP it. Or hide a microSD card inside a cake? It should bake okay, the chip inside gets put under higher temps than the inside of cupcake when they place them on a PCB. The plastic on a uSD might melt a little, but I suspect the information will still be there.

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    1. Re:information smuggling? by mmelson · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Bake it IN the cake? That seems a bit extreme. Why not just bake the cake, let it cool, insert the microSD, then frost. If they start defrosting cakes while searching people, they deserve to find it.

    2. Re:information smuggling? by baudbarf · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Holy frijoles. You just conspired to commit a crime. See how easy that was?

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    3. Re:information smuggling? by NoYob · · Score: 5, Insightful
      The border patrol is just looking for stupid criminals and terrorists - like that old guy with the young boy and the camera with the incriminating evidence. It's also for "security theater".

      On the other hand, the smart criminals and terrorists will get away with it and then there will be more infringements on our liberty to "keep us safe" - from the stupid criminals and terrorists. Then the cycle repeats.

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    4. Re:information smuggling? by Ethanol-fueled · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I've lived on border cities almost my entire life. Even my hispanic coworkers agree(and those poor bastards have to wait hours at the border crossing just to make an honest living) that it's all just security theater, another half-baked escalation to justify the creation of the wasteful, ham-handed gestapo called DHS. It goes without saying that I can still get cocaine or any other drug anytime I want stateside, and that won't change anytime soon.

      So they scoop up a pic of child porn or an occasional drug bust and hype the hell out of it in the news, problem solved. A budget for next year, and no admission that the creation of the DHS was a colossal mistake. Of course, they'll have their work cut out for them when the United States becomes the next Nazi Germany and they're tasked with sealing the borders.

    5. Re:information smuggling? by Threni · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They can't stop drugs getting into prisons - why bother pretending you can stop it across thousands of miles of unguarded border? And as for information - well, perhaps some of the minimum wage pigs and grunts they hire to pose in their security theatre are stupid enough to believe "checking" a laptop is going to prevent information getting into Mexico and help them create a rival utopia, but it seems like a bit of a waste of time to me. Still, I'm sure it all makes sense to someone.

    6. Re:information smuggling? by Carthag · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Hypotheticals aren't conspiracy.

      Yet

    7. Re:information smuggling? by noundi · · Score: 4, Funny

      "He said anyone coming across could be a terrorist, drug dealer or someone trying to carry or take information out of the country by hiding it in a smaller device."

      Why not just FTP it. Or hide a microSD card inside a cake? It should bake okay, the chip inside gets put under higher temps than the inside of cupcake when they place them on a PCB. The plastic on a uSD might melt a little, but I suspect the information will still be there.

      There seems to be an absence of a certain ornithological piece. A headline regarding mass-awareness of a certain avian variety.

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    8. Re:information smuggling? by bmo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Where in the post did he say it wasn't?

      It's the prosecution's job to prove consipiracy, not the defendant's to prove it wasn't.

      Furthermore, conspiracy is between two or more people *who agree to break a law* Title 18 United States Code (U.S.C.) Section 371. I only see one here. The law also states "and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy." Where is the planning with another person? Where is the follow through on any of it? Where is the cake? Where is the mens rea?

      I also see a violation of free speech should he be prosecuted for discussing what might happen.

      I am not a lawyer but this guy is. http://research.lawyers.com/blogs/archives/629-Federal-Criminal-Conspiracy-Law.html

      And obviously I offended someone because I got modded "overrated," a chickenshit move.

      Anyone defending baudbarf's claim of conspiracy is a troll trying to chill legitimate free speech.

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    9. Re:information smuggling? by RDW · · Score: 4, Funny

      No need to frost. Just bake the cake, insert the microSD, and _eat_ the cake. Then if they start searching people thoroughly enough to detect the card, they _really_ deserve to find it.

  2. I predict... by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ... that US customs agents will some of the first thugs against the wall when the revolution comes.

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    1. Re:I predict... by Tanman · · Score: 4, Funny

      I predict that you need a verb!

      I mean, this isn't grammar nazi'ing. I'm genuinely interested -- what exactly were you trying to say?

      will be?
      will question?
      will throw?
      will hump?
      will tazer?
      will shoot?
      will have a tea party?
      will rave with?

      will WHAAAAAT?!?!?!

  3. Linux laptop by Darylium · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I wonder what they'll do when they search my 'unusable' Linux laptop.

    1. Re:Linux laptop by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Years ago I left Adelaide on a domestic flight with a laptop loaded with mandrake in my luggage. The departure was delayed 30 minutes on an excuse (said they needed to change a wheel, but I could see the plane and that didn't happen). So I got to Melbourne, unpacked the laptop and the battery was dead flat. It must have been started after I packed it, and not stopped properly.

  4. ...and then a quick call... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Blue corvette with three gringos heading south route X should pass through your village in 20 minutes. They have laptops, top-notch cellphones, some GPS stuff and wallets full of cash. I'd say some $15k in various assets. Remember, 10% is mine."

    1. Re:...and then a quick call... by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 5, Funny

      Blue corvette with three gringos heading south

      Those are some very close friends.

  5. Security Theater at its finest by tenton · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Searching the 9/11 hijackers wouldn't have stopped them. It's not like they had their plans saved on their computers. Why do we accept this kind of crap whenever anyone says the magic words "9/11"? We don't even need to change the policy at the airport...people are going to beat down hijackers now, on their own.

    They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. Ben Franklin.

    1. Re:Security Theater at its finest by geekoid · · Score: 4, Funny

      Yep, I think security on air craft would be paid for and determined by the airlines.

      That way the market can chose how secure to be.

      Maybe a pass on security if you get on naked, eating a pork sausages and say 'There is no God'.

      That would increase security immeasurably.

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    2. Re:Security Theater at its finest by MaskedSlacker · · Score: 4, Funny

      Bacon-loving nudist atheists fly for free on my airline!

    3. Re:Security Theater at its finest by EdIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      Maybe a pass on security if you get on naked, eating a pork sausages and say 'There is no God'.

      Ahhh, Sunday morning traditions at my house.

    4. Re:Security Theater at its finest by pluther · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They attacked us because they hate our freedom.

      So we get rid of it. Makes sense.

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    5. Re:Security Theater at its finest by ceoyoyo · · Score: 4, Funny

      And not too bacon loving.

    6. Re:Security Theater at its finest by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      people are going to beat down hijackers now, on their own

      Shhh.. if you mention that the 9/11 problem was solved in a plane over a field in rural PA just over an hour after the first plane hit the towers by ordinary Americans (who can comprehend real security very well) then there's no need for massive expansion of government. Why aren't you patriotic?

      What's next, are you going to tell us that with hardened cockpit doors there's absolutely no need to confiscate small pointy objects from passengers? You one of those terrists, son?

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  6. ICE has nearly unlimited search power... by pongo000 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    ...which is rather scary. Used to work for US Customs many years ago (before it was ICE), and we were legally permitted to basically search *anything* entering the country (including personal mail, something that is a federal crime in most other instances) other than diplomatic mail and pouches. Nothing was off-limits: If it comes from overseas, ICE has the constitutional right (backed by many years of case law) to search it.

    I'm not saying this is a good thing, but every international traveler should be aware of this. Whining about your constitutional rights being violated while standing in the "red" line at your port of entry will simply prolong the agony.

  7. open these disks first mofo by Howserx · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think I've finally found a use for those virus infected disks I kept from years ago.

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  8. Have the right != shoul do so by JoshuaZ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think from a Constitutional perspective they are correct that they have the right to do such inspections. However, doing them on a large scale is a really bad idea. However, stupidity is not unconstitutional.

  9. Pulp Friction by bmo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Captain Koons: The way your dad looked at it, this iPod was your birthright. He'd be damned if any US Border agents gonna put their greasy hands on his boy's birthright, so he hid it, in the one place he knew he could hide something: his ass. Five long years, he wore this iPod up his ass. Then when he died of dysentery, he gave me the iPod. I hid this uncomfortable piece of metal up my ass for two years. Then, after seven years, I was sent home to my family. And now, little man, I give the iPod to you.

  10. apparently by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated

    Apparently this is one of those times where the feds take advantage of that massive loo-pole in the fourth amendment effectively allowing them to disregard it in the case of "reasonable" searches and seizures...

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  11. If you want to get really personal by thewils · · Score: 4, Funny

    Heck checking your laptop is nothing, they can probe up your ass if they really want to!

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  12. This one scares me on so many levels... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    First - this is fishing. You aren't actually accused of anything... we are going to search you till we find something. What was the famous quote - something like: "give me 6 lines from the hand of an innocent man and I'll find something to convict him".

    Second - the fact that they found something. After trampling over the rights of 221 million passengers, they found a paedophile. Is that worth the cost? How many rights are you willing to give up to find that paedophile? Having rights and freedoms means that sometimes bad guys get away. To catch all bad guys requires us to live in a panopticon.

    Third - the tone that if you object to this program, you obviously support the paedophile.

    Fourth - I'm from outside the US, but I travel there frequently for business. The entry requirements have risen from a form to being fingerprinted and photographed and carrying biometric data at all times. Is there an upper level to this? What would happen if they require DNA swabs to enter? Is that a step too far? Right now in Chicago, they take a nude photo of you using a new scanner to be able to fly. That is so screwed up.

  13. The great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have extended the thickness of the border by 100 miles as well, so that now 80% of the population can be summarily stopped and searched at anytime.

    Isn't it great?

  14. Story title is wrong by dkleinsc · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not "High-Tech Gadgets Can Pose Problems At Mexican Border", it's "High-Tech Gadgets Can Pose Problems At United States Border".

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  15. Re:Fuck All Mexicans by Sperbels · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I figure by 2100 in many areas of Texas, New Mexico and California, English will be taught as a second language.

    Because our primary language will be Chinese.

  16. Power by fnj · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have the power. Not the right. There is a difference.

  17. Doesn't even need that... by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

    SD cards are so small that have to be one of the easiest items to hide in the known universe. There's a brazillion places you could tape one to a car or hide it about your person. Dogs can't sniff them out so unless they're going to start strip-searching *everybody* and dismantling every car then they're not going to find them.

    It's just more pointless stupidity from the DHS.

    Don't even get me started on micro-SSD or FTP.

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    1. Re:Doesn't even need that... by memnock · · Score: 5, Funny

      i forgot, which is greater: a brazillion or a guatamellion?

  18. Re:YRO??!! by pla · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Ever flown through Ireland, not even as a final destination? It's worse than any American customs stop I've been through.

    Um, yeah - About three months ago, actually. We got off our plane, followed the signs around this amazingly convoluted set of hallways to the passport-check area, only to find...

    No one there.

    Waited about five minutes, figuring someone had gone to the bathroom, and didn't see a single uniformed person (got passed by plenty of people walking right on through without even pausing, though).

    So, we walked through and onto our connecting flight.

    Granted, we went from one "secure" area to another, so I really didn't see the need to go through customs at all, but literally, we merely walked past an unattended desk. Simple as that.

  19. Re:You call that a corvette? by geminidomino · · Score: 4, Funny
  20. Re:RFID Tire Chips by niteshifter · · Score: 5, Informative

    .You needn't worry about your GPS unit, ever since the Firestone tire debacle. The resulting law said that every tire needed to be able to be identified as being from Lot #X without being dismounted (prior to that lot numbers were printed on the inside of the tire). The manufacturers' solution was RFID chips with unique serial numbers embedded in every tire.

    Uh, no. I work in the tire manufacture business. The lot ID has always been - and still is - available for inspection on the outside of the tire. We call this the "serial plate", it's mounted to the mold. Look for a series of letters / numbers bracketed by impressions of what looks like screw heads: that's the serial plate. It's near the bead area. Granted, it may be on the inboard side and may require you to crawl about with an inspection mirror (or put the vehicle up on a rack), but no need to dismount the tire. Tire lot ID's were never on the inside of a tire. What people see there are impressions of the cure press' bladder lot ID, a different thing entirely.

    What the law requires is for vehicle manufacturers to provide a way of reading tire pressures automatically and notifiying the vehicle operator of low and/or imbalanced tire pressures. The pressure transponder (an RFID-like device) is part of the valve assembly, not the tire.

    Various tire makers have experimented with placing RFID tags into tires but with little success. It's a very hostile environment (high temperatures and pressures) inside the material while the tire is being cured, tags don't survive it very well.

  21. Re:YRO??!! by z80kid · · Score: 4, Informative

    There's been waaay too many documented cases of people buying guns (and I mean big guns, like assault rifles) legally in the US with their God-given 2nd ammendment right and smuggling them to the drug cartels here.

    When you say "and I mean big guns like assault rifles", it pretty much shows that you know nothing about firearms and US laws.

    The articles you link to all cite the "90% of guns traced to US" lie. 90% of the guns that are submitted for tacing are from the US. Only a small number of guns are submitted for tracing, because there's no point in submitting AKs from China and North Korea with no serial number to the ATF for tracing.

    Fully automatic guns (pull the trigger and they rattle off bullets) require a federal license with large yearly fees and an anal probe from the BATFE. They are rarely sold here and are exceptionally expensive. Even the gangs here don't buy them legally here. They smuggle them from overseas - it's way cheaper. I'm behind a censor here, but google "BATFE" and "class III license" to see what it takes to buy a machine gun.

    What the ill-informed such as yourself call "big guns - like assault rifles" are military-looking guns that have been altered so that they fire one bullet at a time. To make them or import them here, they must not be alterable to fully automatic fire.

    The articles you quote suggest a flood of guns from the US using faulty statistics, then go on to list a bunch of confiscated weapons that you cannot easily buy here. You can't get grenades and rocket launchers here. If they are able to smuggle those in from the third world, why would they pay US prices for rifles that aren't even full-auto?

    http://www.factcheck.org/2009/04/counting-mexicos-guns/

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/elections/2009/04/02/myth-percent-guns-mexico-fraction-number-claimed/

    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2009/apr/16/barack-obama/Obama-claims-90-percent-guns-used-Mexico/