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Google Project 10^100 Reaches Voting Phase

An anonymous reader writes "In autumn last year, Google announced Project 10 to the 100, through which it aimed to commit $10 million to implement the best philanthropic idea. The project was suspended indefinitely after receiving more than 150,000 submissions. Google has now announced sixteen finalists — each of which was inspired by many individual submissions — and issued a call for votes. The voting deadline is October 8 and the Project 10^100 advisory board will then select up to five ideas to be implemented."

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  1. Plex by Reason58 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Google's googol garnering a gaggle of generous gentlemen.

    1. Re:Plex by skine · · Score: 4, Funny

      Alliterate people annoy me.

    2. Re:Plex by Reason58 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Alliterate people annoy me.

      Agreed. Alliterate assholes.

    3. Re:Plex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Altogether annoying. -Anonymous

    4. Re:Plex by selven · · Score: 3, Funny

      Crappy cowardly comments...

    5. Re:Plex by SomeJoel · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Agreed. Alliterate assholes.

      That's assonance.

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    6. Re:Plex by weirdcrashingnoises · · Score: 2, Funny

      conceited ... ... crap, cranium cramp!

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    7. Re:Plex by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

      Alert: American Association Against Awful Anonymous Alliterative Abuse always aims at acquiring additional angry associates.

    8. Re:Plex by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 2, Funny

      Applying alliteration as assonance always appears asinine.

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    9. Re:Plex by icannotthinkofaname · · Score: 3, Funny

      C-C-C-COMBO BREAKER!!!!!!

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  2. Transportation promising, Tax option too political by pegasustonans · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The tax option looks interesting, but a little too in line with typical ideas of the conservative right in the United States to win my vote. Eliminating income tax and taxing consumption directly through sales tax would severely detriment lower income brackets and reward the affluent. The research on sales tax being more detrimental to lower income groups is pretty solid. I was actually surprised Google passed this idea through given its obvious politics.

    The transportation option, on the other hand, while somewhat far-fetched, would revolutionize commerce and local economies if it were widely adopted.

    Since all of the ideas are a bit of a long shot, I voted for what I would like to see in an ideal world. In addition, the idea of riding blimps to work is just too cool to pass up.

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  3. Re:Anonymous coward by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What a bunch of lame ideas.

    Many of them appeared to be:
      - Things that should already be done by well-defined organizations (usually governmental).
      - Things that shouldn't be done (because the downsides, like creating databased of personal information that can be used to harm individuals, violate Franklin's rule: (He who trades freedom for safety ...)
      - Things that have proven cost-ineffective (such as public transport which, except in special circumstances, tends to cost far more per ride - in money, risk, and rider lifetime - than individual vehicles).

    But a handfull of 'em did look useful, rather than just politically correct but probably counterproductive. (My pick: Free online educational materials.)

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  4. Re:Eco bling / Green gadgets by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's not unfortunate if they're effective. The way we're living now is simply not sustainable, fossil fuel being an obvious example. Some say, "don't worry, technology will increase the carrying capacity without limit," and then whine at every proposed investment in said technology, which doesn't make a lot of sense.

  5. Geek heaven! by dkf · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Now we know why there were sixteen finalists. It's 10^100 in binary (a.k.a. 2^4 in decimal).

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  6. Re:Anonymous coward by timeOday · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Things that have proven cost-ineffective (such as public transport which, except in special circumstances, tends to cost far more per ride - in money, risk, and rider lifetime - than individual vehicles).

    1) Obviously the point of investing in new public transport technologies is to improve them. You seem to be ruling out any potential technology that could be called "public transport" out-of-hand, which makes no sense
    2) There's no reason public transport might not rely on individual vehicles. Heck, that's what taxis are.
    3) There are economically viable public transportation systems all of the world, including the US (commerial air, for one). Dismissing them all as "special circumstances" is a loophole big enough for a double-decker bus.
    4) I'd love to know what you were thinking when you said public transport is more risky.

    Don't get me wrong, the bus service where I live is a huge time waste and I never ride it. That's why I'd love it if somebody invested in finding something better.

  7. Re:Those ideas are crap by pz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I submitted an idea to Project 10^100. A damned good one too. One that was worth a $1.5 million grant from the US National Institutes of Health. One that was good enough to be selected as a Saatchi and Saatchi World Changing Ideas finalist. The idea will help millions of people, potentially tens of millions. It will, however, not involve the internet, not involve Googly stuff, and won't be all cool and PC. It won't preferentially help people in Africa, or people who are perceived to be underserved by some arbitrary metric. But the NIH thought it was good enough to warrant a New Innovators Award.

    The 16 ideas that Google selected are an embarrassment. I can name 20 off the top of my head that are better. Hell, I was in the company of 9 others at the Saatchi and Saatchi celebration that were better right there. There are 54 other New Innovators this year who would also qualify.

    With 150,000 submissions, I'm certain Google had some damned fine ones -- the fact that they chose these particular 16 is an indictment of their judging process.

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  8. Dependencies among projects by BraulioBezerra · · Score: 4, Interesting

    All these projects depend on the Make government more transparent. Without this one, the governments will limit all other projects. This is exactly the same reason why Lawrence Lessig is fighting corruption and not copyright problems. He was fighting people that couldn't hear him. So, I vote for it.

  9. Re:Looks like a phishing site. by zn0k · · Score: 2, Informative

    It's Google's site.

    See the announcement here: http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/09/announcing-project-10100-idea-themes.html/

    If you're suspicious that that might not be Google's official blog: they own blogger.com and blogspot.com and can reasonably be expected to not let anyone get away with impersonating them on their own sites.

  10. Voting for the ideas. by AeiwiMaster · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I consider Google a smart company.

    But I don't think they have manage this project very well.

    Instead of going trough 150000 suggestion and let the
    public vote for 16 made-up projects.

    They should have used the wisdom of the crowd to vote for the 150000 suggestions
    and have the advisory board chose between the top 100.

    What I would like to see is a open funding network.

    Where people can post ideas like this, vote on there favorite projects
    and where funds can find and support this projects.

    ps. yes, I did submit this idea to 10^100.

    It would have been better if they

    1. Re:Voting for the ideas. by artbrock · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Yeah... 154,000 world-changing ideas turned into 16 vague paragraphs of crap.

      This is totally doable. Rather than propose a wisdom of the crowd project to Google, let's just do it. Maybe we can get many of the original submitters to send resubmit their entries. I still have mine.

      We wouldn't want to use old-fashioned "vote for your favorite" methods because it would produce crap results completely skewed by Pareto Effect, But I think there are some real/viable options for approaching this in a manner which would build collective intelligence.

      • Use Google's 5 pre-announced criteria: (Reach, Depth, Attainability, Efficiency & Longevity) as a multi-dimensional five-star rating scale. You can rate as many projects as you like.
      • You cast your "vote" by creating a top 10 list. You can only put projects on your top 10 list that you have rated on all 5 dimensions.
      • Each entry in a top 10 list is weighted according to it's slot number with slot 1 being 100 times higher than the last slot. The weights build from the bottom, so if you put one project in your list, it counts as if it's #10. If you want it to count it as #1, then add 9 more projects to your list below it. You can continually modify your top 10 list.
      • For each project you add to your list, you must rate 3 projects who have received fewer ratings than the norm. This ensures that all projects are garnering attention and being rated. Yes, this means that you have to rate at least 3 projects to vote for 1, and 30 projects to make a complete top 10 list. It's part of how you reduce bogus voting.
      • Reduce noise by ejecting non-serious submissions flagged as spam by X people or well below a quality threshold after Y votes. And/Or there could be some quality review process/panel of volunteers to send back submissions for editing until they meet some agreed upon threshold.
      • Allow hierarchic folksonomy tagging pre-seeded with Google's categories (Community, Opportunity, Energy, Environment, Health, Education, Shelter) but allow new and richer categories to emerge (so people can specifically search for projects in their domain of interest).

      Then we just have to team up with various social enterprise funders to support the projects. ;)

  11. Re:Transportation promising, Tax option too politi by evanbd · · Score: 2, Informative

    Sales taxes (and other consumption taxes) are regressive taxes. However, not all policies involving sales taxes are regressive. The simplest (perhaps not the best...) example of such is the FairTax proposal. It uses a combination of a flat sales tax rate with a constant dollar rebate to each consumer. The combination means that with increasing spending, a larger net fraction of your spending is on taxes. That is, it's a progressive sales tax.

    Of course, the Google proposal also talks about various incentive taxes. Whether these are good or bad seems to depend mostly on whether you're calling them sin taxes or a way to internalize externalities so that the market can actually optimize overall wealth. Markets optimize locally; external costs of production that are borne by people other than the producers (like pollution) will be undervalued in the optimization process. Transferring those costs back onto the producer through taxes internalizes that externality and lets the market optimize the thing it should actually be optimizing.

    A tax system that was actually based on setting goals, and then looking at data and evidence about what tax systems would actually achieve those goals, would be perhaps the biggest advance in government technology in centuries. Of course, it's also spectacularly idealistic and difficult to make work. But then, so are all the other ideas they list, so...

    (I haven't actually decided which to cast my vote for yet, but the taxes proposal is on the short list.)

  12. Re:Anonymous coward by tixxit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hell, you could use the $10m to kick start a bunch of bike sharing programs in various cities.

  13. Re:Those ideas are crap by geekoid · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "I was in the company of 9 others at the Saatchi and Saatchi celebration that were better right there. "
    so yin a group of 10 you can get money, but can't get it in a group of 150,000.
    Maybe your idea isn't as good as you think.

    Yes, nothing more embarrassing then bring a source of education to everyone in the world.

    Your machine human interface isn't something that's doable before a lot of other technology comes to place. It's not something trhet CAN be done and have a product available with this much money.

    Personally I think every one of the 16 goals will help more people far sooner then your idea. While preliminary results have shown to be highly promising, that's really just a beginning.

    You might want to learn to shrug off not getting a grant, otherwise your research career will be nothing but frustrating. You can not be emotional involved ni the grant process, it will eat you up.

    It is with all sincerity that I wish you luck in your research.

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  14. Re:Anonymous coward by Al+Dimond · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If the bus service near where you live is a waste of time that might be because you live in a place that can't be well-served by public transit. Public transit is efficient when it consolidates common trips, and can become convenient when trips are common enough for frequent service. With common trips into dense areas parking becomes a hassle, so driving is inconvenient and expensive also. Those things don't happen in areas without a focal downtown, or places that are quite dense. When I lived in Silicon Valley I almost never used public transit (exceptions being Caltrain to San Francisco, and taking the shuttle bus to San Jose airport because I'd rather walk the two miles to the bus stop than mess with airport traffic and parking). When I lived in Chicago I almost never drove (only when I needed to carry lots of stuff or go to the suburbs).

    As far as changing the nature of public transit, there's always PRT... If you think Google, with no public works experience, will figure out PRT, you're high (although I wouldn't be surprised if they tried). Tons of money has been blown on studies, and it's resulted in one system that partially implements a very simplistic version of the concept: Morgantown, WV. Morgantown's half-PRT works more like a tram during busy periods anyway, because it couldn't handle the volume otherwise.

  15. Re:Anonymous coward by Ungrounded+Lightning · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Some americans have some pretty funny ideas about things which they don't have well implemented but work quite well elsewhere. Where the hell do you get these ideas about public transport?

    From lots of research.

    The scale and layout of much of the US makes mass transit impractical. In some places (like post-fire Chicago and dense-rectangular-grid New York City) it does work - quite well. But in others (like the San Francisco Bay area) it does not. Even if the various agencies worked together rather than building little fiefdoms studies indicate that it would never approach the per-ride total cost of private cars.

    In still others (like rural Nevada or even outside a dense city) it's a joke. To have practical mass transit you need masses of people in some places and masses of destinations in others.

    A car is in 99.9% of all cases more risky and more expensive for the owner.

    You're not counting things like muggers and gangs working bus and train lines or exposure to seasonal flu, TB, and other diseases among "risks", are you?

    As for cost I'm not comparing the tax-subsidized fare paid by a rider. I'm talking the total cost of the construction and operation of the bus/train service divided by rides vs. total cost of ownership and operation of an automobile (including its share of road construction and maintenance where it's not double-counted due to gas/license taxation) divided by equivalent rides. Cars beat buses or trains by a factor of several, even if the latter use exisiting rail lines.

    Indeed, here in the SF Bay area we have several bus lines where the per-ride cost is in the thousands. It would be cheaper to decommission the line and use the tax money to take each of the regular riders, lease them a Mercedes every year, provide enough gas to make the equivalent trips. As for BART the cars are non-standard, built in France, and cost six million each as of a decade ago. Divide the depreciation over the cars' lifetimes by the number of riders, add in the amortized cost of the land under the (non-standard-gauge) rails, the construction, and the operation. Cars come out 'WAY ahead - even paying the horrible bridge tolls that help subsidize the BART system.

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  16. Re:Scroogle by lysergic.acid · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That has nothing to do with philanthropy. If you want to use a anonymity proxy, you're free to do so. And that would give you better protection than Scroogle, which only hides your IP from Google. If you're not bothered by other web servers logging your IP, then why would you be concerned with Google? Of all the online megacorporations out there to fear having your privacy invaded by, you're worried about Google?

    If you don't want to be tracked by your credit card purchases, then pay for your purchases with cash. It would be unreasonable (and unwise) to ask that banks and credit firms store no digital records of your financial activities. Likewise, in age of information and with the ubiquity of the world wide web, you can't expect there to be no trace of your online activities anywhere (unless you live completely off the grid). You can't go frolicking through the snow and then get mad at the snow for preserving your footprints. Now, you can take care to conceal your tracks, or even create misleading tracks to fool anyone who might be following you. But the only way to ensure there's no trace of your presence is to not tread on the snowy ground.

    So, instead of expecting search providers to keep no server logs, store no cookies, and store no session data (things that all modern websites do), perhaps it'd make more sense to focus on other areas of privacy protection that actually matter. For instance:

    • Use secure connections when sending & receiving sensitive and/or confidential data.
    • Take care to keep your computer free of spyware, trojans, keyloggers, and other types of malware, and just being security conscious in general.
    • When you see a luxury car sitting in the lobby of a movie theater with a kiosk next to it asking you to fill out your personal info to be entered into the sweepstakes, DO NOT ENTER INTO THE SWEEPSTAKES. This also applies to online freebies, like free magazine subscriptions, iPods, thumbdrives, etc., that require you to submit your personal info. That's how you end up on the "prospects" lists used by spammers and telemarketers.
    • Make sure your ISP, cellphone provider and any other businesses you may have a contract with, are respecting your privacy and not selling your info to 3rd parties as many of them do.
    • Lastly, choose your online services (e.g. e-mail, personal blog, search engine, photo sharing service, etc.) carefully. Read the privacy policy of websites you give your personal info to. Don't sign up for an account at or give your email address to shady websites that don't have a reasonable privacy policy available for reading.

    IMO, it's much more important to choose a search provider you can trust than to try to obtain perfect anonymity (which is simply unrealistic). The reason people like Google is because they provide the best search results as well as many innovative/useful auxiliary services. Now, if they couldn't collect search data, then they wouldn't be able to analyze them to identify search trends, usage patterns, etc. that have helped them to optimize their search algorithm over the years. Likewise, it's only by collecting this type of anonymized search data that they're able to offer many of their useful derivative services or user-friendly features incorporated into Google search or Gmail.

    Google has shown that they can be trusted with user data (at least with regards to Google Search. Orkut and YouTube may be a different matter.) by being the only major search provider to outright refuse to hand over search records to the DoJ. They have also expended considerable resources lobbying for intellectual property reform, green technology, net neutrality, open w

  17. Re:Anonymous coward by Bodrius · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If the bus service near where you live is a waste of time that might be because you live in a place that can't be well-served by public transit.

    Or lives in a place that is *underserved* by public transit - as is the case for many US cities.

    There is an issue of critical mass with public transportation - gradual adoption doesn't make sense. Most people don't use it because they *can't* use it, because the routes are too few, inconvenient and unreliable to depend on them. But once you reach critical coverage on an area, and you don't have to wait >=1 hour for the bus anymore - things are *qualitatively* different and you have a chance to scale.

    I understand your point that some places are too sparsely populated to make it cost effective. But the argument that you need a focal downtown and high density frankly doesn't make sense - many places in this planet don't match that description, and yet 'public' transportation is both omnipresent and effective far into the suburbs and small towns.

    I put 'public' in quotes because often it is a mix of private and government-funded mass transit. When there is no public monopoly, it's often easier for small entrepeneurs to extend the official transit network into underserved areas at a smaller scale, for a small profit margin - since they don't have to deal with the politics (or the guarantees of service).

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