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Wii Update 4.2 Tries (and Fails) To Block Homebrew

marcansoft writes "On September 28, Nintendo released a Wii update, titled 4.2. This update was targeted squarely at homebrew, performing sweeping changes throughout the system. It hardly achieved that goal, though, because just two days later a new version of the HackMii installer was released that brings full homebrew capabilities back to all Wii consoles, including unmodified consoles running 4.2. However, as part of their attempt to annoy homebrew users, Nintendo updated the lowest level updateable component of the Wii software stack: boot2 (part of the system bootloader chain). Homebrew users have been using BootMii to patch boot2 in order to gain low level system access and recovery functions (running Linux natively, fixing bricks, etc). The update hasn't hindered this, as users can simply reinstall BootMii after updating (it is compatible with the update). But there's a much bigger problem: Nintendo's boot2 update code is buggy." Read on for more details. "Boot2 had never been updated in retail consoles until now. During BootMii's development, its authors noticed that Nintendo's code had critical bugs and could sometimes permanently brick a console by writing incorrect or unchecked data to flash memory, so they decided to write their own, much safer flashing code. Now, Nintendo has pushed a boot2 update to all Wii users, and the results are what was expected: users are reporting bricks after installing 4.2 on unmodified consoles. Nintendo is currently attempting to censor posts and remove references to homebrew. It is worth noting that the new boot2 does not attempt to block anything or offer any additional protection or functionality. Its sole purpose is to simply replace current versions which may or may not have been modified with BootMii. Another interesting tidbit is that Nintendo is not believed to have any method to repair this kind of brick at a factory, short of replacing the entire motherboard."

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  1. Why is that legal? by Tei · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You have buy a machine, not a license. If you want to open it, and mod it on any way you want. Is just a tiny mountain of chips and transistors. You could break it in pieces and use it to fix your refrigerator. Any law that let the creator of the machine perpetuate this locking trough anti-user changes sould get a fine, and any law that help then do that, sould be reverted, and the legislators of these laws be kicked in the ass with a boot.

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    1. Re:Why is that legal? by Techmeology · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's legal because the same people who invented the DMCA invented other laws too.

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    2. Re:Why is that legal? by selven · · Score: 5, Insightful

      First, we should kick out the laws that fine the CONSUMER for daring to mess around with his own legally-bought electronics.

    3. Re:Why is that legal? by Jaysyn · · Score: 4, Informative

      The Wii has never been sold at a loss, I don't have one & even I know that.

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    4. Re:Why is that legal? by ciderVisor · · Score: 5, Informative

      An AC modded +3 Insightful for spouting nonsense ? Wow, just....wow !

      Nintendo has always made a profit on its raw hardware.

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    5. Re:Why is that legal? by Jurily · · Score: 5, Funny

      But modding Wii consoles harms nobody.

      That's what they said about Skynet.

    6. Re:Why is that legal? by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You mean from the top.

      The people sit at the top level of authority, and that power flows downward to the state government, then the continental government. By revolting the people are merely taking-back the powers/rights that were illegally stolen from them by the lower levels.

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    7. Re:Why is that legal? by cwrinn · · Score: 4, Informative

      ... like Serial Numbers? :O That are tracked when they connect on WC24? :O That you register and are bound to your Wii Shop account? :O

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    8. Re:Why is that legal? by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What you're telling people to do is fraud, which is a felony. The serials won't match, so the switch can be detected trivially. Congratulations, you've incited people to easily-detectable crimes. Not very smart.

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    9. Re:Why is that legal? by Yvan256 · · Score: 5, Funny

      For the longest time, if you bought a new computer they would practically throw printers at you.

      Yeah, that happened to me. I had to go to the hospital, too.

  2. When will they learn? by Mr0bvious · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It costs them a lot of money to try and stop modding etc, when they will fail every time.

    Waste of time, money and reputation.

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    1. Re:When will they learn? by sopssa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well they dont really fail. Sure, someone finds a way around it. But it gets harder to get the homebrew working again. I updated to 4.0 before and didn't know you couldn't get all the homebrew working again. I tried to downgrade a few times, but it failed always (and I followed the guides closely). Then I just forgot about it and didn't try again.

      So in that case they won. And I'm pretty computer knowledgeable person myself, it would be even worse for someone who isn't.

  3. Nintendo's Response by Rick+Richardson · · Score: 5, Informative

    Hello,

    Some of you have reported problems with your Wii console after updating to the Wii System Menu 4.2. The symptoms most people are describing usually occur when the Wii has been modified. However, some of you also mention your system has never been modified.

    We'd like to help get your system working properly again. If you're experiencing problems with your Wii console after downloading Wii System Menu 4.2, and you believe your system has not been modified, please give us a call. If we find that you have a normal system and the update caused your system to not work, we'll repair it at no charge.

    Please call our Customer Service Department at your earliest convenience, 1-800-255-3700. We are open 6 AM to 7 PM, Pacific Time, 7 days a week.

    Thank you,
    NOA_Tech_Jane

  4. Dear Nintendo, by Narcocide · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Please stop making me cry.

    Sincerely,
    Your loyal non-modding customer.

    P.S. Please spend all this time and effort addressing the cheating hackers plaguing the Mario Kart Network instead.

    1. Re:Dear Nintendo, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      We often look at the past with rose-tinted sunglasses.

      When we were children, some of us grew up with Nintendo. The NES gave us incredible gameplay. We fell in love with the company.The SNES brought even more to the table. Many of us are also plagued by the Tetris theme, thanks to the Gameboy.

      Unfortunately, the reality is much more bitter. Nintendo has done some pretty rotten things since the very first version of their system. Whether it was the 10NES lock-out chip, their censorship policies, their anti-competitive attitude (which landed them fines in the European Union in 2002 thanks to how they ran their business from 1991-1998), Nintendo has a long track-record of "doing evil". We only never realized it because, at the time, most of us were children and only cared about getting that next fun game.

      Compared to the way things were then, all of this is unsurprising.

  5. Also why are they doing it? by Nursie · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm not aware of it even being used for piracy. I have the Homebrew Channel installed and it's great fun to play a few things on, plus occasionally turn the Wii into a media player.

    IIRC it can be used to play out-of-region games. Which is a GOOD thing.

    What exactly do they have to gain here?

    1. Re:Also why are they doing it? by Bert64 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They want to enforce region locking, or they wouldn't have implemented it to start with...

      Region locking hurts legitimate users, and is used to screw them out of more money... Region locking should be illegal. It does absolutely NOTHING to benefit the consumer.

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    2. Re:Also why are they doing it? by CODiNE · · Score: 4, Informative

      I'm not aware of it even being used for piracy.

      Well it is. I was at a buddies house, he had a USB HD plugged into his Wii, all kinds of games on it. Apparently the Mario Galaxy he downloaded had a few bits flipped somewhere in it's image so he played it all the way to the last few planets and then couldn't finish it. Some of the games he actually owned so... I think it's great to be able to back up games to a HD and play off them. When you share the Wii with someone and they get up to play Wii Fit every morning... and I'm working my way through Zelda. Swap swap swap.

      Also he had this media center software running on the Wii, sorta like having XBMC or something. Then he uses his iPhone to change the tracks, watch movies, etc... pretty sweet.

      Nintendo should just sell a media center channel and let millions of Wii owners plug HDs into those babies.

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    3. Re:Also why are they doing it? by Eraesr · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What a preposterous comparison. If I wanted to import a crate of Coca Cola from the US, then I'm damn well able to open the bottle _and_ drink it's contents. I don't see how region locking protects the average user either. Technically speaking, there doesn't have to be a difference between a NTSC-U or PAL release. It's also a "problem" that PC games or even Nintendo DS games never had to deal with. There's no region locking on either platform. So why would it be necessary for the Wii? If Nintendo is truly worried about me putting an NTSC disc in my PAL Wii, then at most they could show a message telling me that I'm attempting to play an NTSC disc and that it may differ from a PAL release of the same game. "Do you wish to continue? Yes or No?" The only real advantages to region locking are for the producer of the product. They can put up different price points for different markets and prevent consumers from tapping into a different market (region).

    4. Re:Also why are they doing it? by AK+Marc · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I grew up in Texas. There are a lot of Mexicans there. One thing that some Mexicans missed is Coke with sugar. Despite the television adds to the contrary, it corn syrup isn't indistinguishable from sugar. So I've been in markets that sold the Mexican Coke next to the American one. There was no confusion. If there was, you read the ingredients and you'd know the difference. Coke may sell different stuff in differnt places for regional taste, but they don't (and can't) sue people that resell it. But for some reason, you think doing that with software makes sense?

    5. Re:Also why are they doing it? by PhrostyMcByte · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I'm pretty sure they sell the Corn Syrup version in the US because we've got a huge tariff on importing sugar, not because of some sort of regional taste.

  6. On another note... by zlel · · Score: 5, Funny

    The Refrigeration Industrial Artists' Association has decided that you will need to pay an "iFrigement use fee" if you put any food item with an energy content of more than 1000 kCal in your fridge. Your fridge comes with a Healthy Home Edition license - I'm afraid you need to upgrade your kCal licenses for your level of consumption.

  7. Re:So, as someone with the homebrew channel instal by Eraesr · · Score: 5, Informative

    Wii forces you to update as well through some (first party) games. Mario Kart or Wii Fit for instance won't run if you don't install the updates included on their discs. So if you don't stay up to date, you will lock yourself out of an increasing number of games for the platform.

  8. Re:Sitting on the fence by Nursie · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not just that either - I go on holiday to various places around the planet. Sometimes I go into a music or games shop whilst I'm there and buy one or two things to take home.

    Why should I not be able to play them when I get home?

    And yes, some games (the original Katamari Damacy, for instance) are not released in some markets and as a result are hard to get hold of, even if you've soft-modded the console to play other regions.

    It often seems to me that the benefits of a global economy are reaped by companies by employing labour and sourcing materials where they like, but they try their damnedest to stop consumers doing the same.

  9. coke with suger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Regional tastes have nothing to do with it.

    American sugar producers lobbied and got a protectionist tariff on sugar that increased the cost significantly which made it cheaper for all the soft drink companies to switch to corn syrup. Elsewhere in the world sugar is cheap enough that it can be used with out driving up the cost of the product prohibitively.

    My sister went to Korea some years ago and the coke there also was made with sugar. It's pretty much only in the US that corn syrup is used. Heck, in South America they use sugarcane as feed stock for the ethanol plants to produce fuel for cars.

    1. Re:coke with suger by xtracto · · Score: 5, Informative

      That, or the fact that The USA has high subsidies for corn.

      As a Mexican, I also prefer Sugar-sweetened Cola. I have tried the Corn-version of the drink and it tastes weird. I also read somewhere that cane-sugar is more healthy than corn-syrup [citation needed].

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  10. Re:They can probably recover at the repair depot by marcansoft · · Score: 5, Interesting

    You tell me how they do that. Not software - the ROM bits have no recovery functionality. Hardware? Massive props for you if you can find any kind of JTAG or similar port on the board, because quite a few people have wasted lots of time trying and failing to do so. As far as we can tell, they preflash the NAND chips before soldering, and I'm not aware of anyone who hasn't just had their motherboard replaced after this kind of unrecoverable brick.

    Here's a pinout diagram of the Hollywood with everything that's definitely not a recovery port marked. Let me know if you find any flashing/recovery functionality on the remaining pins ;)

  11. Re:Sitting on the fence by marcansoft · · Score: 4, Interesting

    FWIW, 4.2 is reported to completely kill modchip region-free functionality. If they've done what I think they've done (started to check the region on the TMD, which is cryptographically signed), region-free via modchip is dead and won't be coming back.

  12. they convinced me by amoeba1911 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I had a modded Wii and I was prolifically downloading Wii games for free from all kinds of pirate sites at Nintendo's expense. It all changed as soon as this patch came out, it suddenly turned me from being a dirty pirate to a legitimate customer! My pockets which had previously been devoid of anything other than pocket lint are now somehow filled with cash that just materialized out of thin air. I use that money to buy games legitimately, giving the company the profits it deserves. Their share prices have quadrupled in the past 3 hours. The company is worth more than Microsoft now. Hot Japanese anime girls are waiting to blow all of the company executives who came up with this wonderful anti-piracy patch that fixed everything.

    This is what they've been waiting to hear... let's lie a little bit so they can feel good about wasting millions of dollars on this patch.

  13. Re:If it's bricked and they Nintendo can't recover by marcansoft · · Score: 4, Informative

    They just reauthorize those games online on your new console (via the serial numbers). When the system is totally bricked you lose your saves. They only notice homebrew or warez when they get "bricked" consoles that display an error message (which indicates System Menu operation), which they can usually fix by reinstalling stuff with their rescue mode DVDs and a small "flag" tool inserted into a memory card slot to put the menu into recovery mode.