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GE Developing 1TB Hologram Disc Readable By a Modified Blu-ray Drive

Globally Mobile writes "The Register has this article concerning GE's announcement that it has been developing a 1 terabyte DVD-size disk that can be read by a modified Blu-ray player. Peter Lorraine, GE's lab manager, talking at an Emerging Tech conference last week, said that license announcements could be expected soon. He also mentioned the notion of disks having the capacity of 100 Blu-ray disks, implying a 2.5TB or even 5TB capacity, gained by increasing the number of layers used for recording. The discs will be used for high-end commercial niches initially and then migrate to consumer markets in 2012-2015. Also here is a video of the technology explained. Wish we could see this sooner! Reminds me of the technology that Bowie's character came up with in The Man Who Fell to Earth."

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  1. Well by sopssa · · Score: 3, Informative

    Great, I haven't still even got a normal bluray player. Nor did I get HD-DVD. Seems like I might just skip it and wait for the modified player that supports this.

    1. Re:Well by jdgeorge · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Great, I haven't still even got a normal bluray player. Nor did I get HD-DVD. Seems like I might just skip it and wait for the modified player that supports this.

      Yeah, I got a PS3, too. Who wants a "normal" Blu-ray player?

      "Informative".... Nice.

    2. Re:Well by ColdWetDog · · Score: 5, Funny

      I find I'm "skipping a generation" in many technologies: Operating systems, storage standards, gaming consoles, etc.

      Parents cut off your allowance again?

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    3. Re:Well by Mr.+Freeman · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you put a thousand of these in the back of a VW bug and drove it from California to New York....

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    4. Re:Well by Darkness404 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I see little reason to "upgrade" during this generation too. For one, everything is very expensive for small gains, in order to really "enjoy" Blu-Ray you have to buy an -expensive- player, for me I'd have to buy an expensive HD TV, and the disks themselves are expensive. Yeah, if you are buying a new TV and everything it makes little sense not to upgrade, but if you are like just about everyone else who has everything working why pay $$$ and upgrade? Sure, HD has a better picture quality, but not $1000+ worth of it, plus, I can rent DVD movies for $1 a night, I can't rent Blu-Ray that cheaply. I didn't get any current gen game consoles save for the Wii until recently because at the start they all sucked and the Wii was the only one that started with a decent price. The 360 was too unreliable in the first few motherboard revisions (RRoD) and the PS3 until about a month or two ago was -far- too expensive. Vista was inferior to XP and cost extra so I didn't upgrade my XP box to Vista. And to be perfectly honest, I don't need a lot of data backed up, my music is redundantly backed up on various MP3 players over the years and audio CDs, I don't have a huge picture collection so most pictures are still on my 4 gig SD card, and anything else needed to be backed up fits nicely on a standard DVD. I don't need to spend $2 on Blu-Ray disks and more for a drive when I only need a few gigs of things backed up.

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    5. Re:Well by WED+Fan · · Score: 4, Funny

      I find I'm "skipping a generation" in many technologies: Operating systems

      So you went from ME to Vista? Sap!

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    6. Re:Well by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Upgrading to the Bluray version of Star Trek eliminated the annoying artifacts present on the DVD version. That's an improvement that's visible even on a standard definition set.

      Also there's nothing to skip in the case of Bluray. 1920x1080 progressive is the highest standard available, and will be for several decades (NTSC lasted almost 70 years and ATSC will probably last several decades too).

      I agree about the gaming consoles. I'm still having fun with my PS1/PS2 and N64/Gamecube library. Why upgrade?

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  2. I would have thought by MikeyinVA · · Score: 4, Insightful

    that by now, DVD-DL would come down in price. Regular DVD-Rs, I can find them for $0.30 or less each but DVD-DLs are still $1.60 each. With Blue-ray and all this advancing technology, the industry is still strangling the consumer for DVD-DLs.

  3. Remix by Wowsers · · Score: 5, Interesting

    How many MB will be wiped out by a pathetically small scratch on the disk? Remember the promises made of audio CD's?

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    1. Re:Remix by SHaFT7 · · Score: 5, Funny

      1TB discs? Now OSes can be even BIGGER!

    2. Re:Remix by gnick · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Can != Should" is pretty well agreed upon here.
      "Can == Will" is an unfortunate reality in most cases...

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    3. Re:Remix by Chyeld · · Score: 4, Informative

      So do what most people do and dedicate a portion of the disk(s) to some form of error correction data.

    4. Re:Remix by john83 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How many MB will be wiped out by a pathetically small scratch on the disk? Remember the promises made of audio CD's?

      You're assuming that in order to fit more data on the disc, they've just shrunk CD technology. That's not the case. Holographically stored data are spatially distributed. I'm not sure exactly how they handle damage, but I think a "pathetically small scratch" would have a pathetically small effect on the replay.

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    5. Re:Remix by elfprince13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      holographic data storage is fractal in nature, meaning if you make a hologram of a car and then snap it in half you won't end up with 2 holograms of half a car each, you'll end up with 2 holograms of a full with half the resolution as the original. Methinks this would be good for data-redundancy in other applications as well

  4. Re:Tb or TB or TiB? by Mekabyte · · Score: 4, Funny

    1 tuberculosis

  5. The Man Who Fell to Earth by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Reminds me of the technology that Bowie's character came up with in "The Man Who Fell to Earth."

    A quick reminder that the movie actually came from a novel, The Man Who Fell To Earth, by Walter Tevis.

    (Movie was a moderately faithful adaptation, as such things go-- unlike some SF movies, where little is taken from the book other than the name, and--in the case of Bladerunner--not even that.)

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  6. Error Correction by ThrowAwaySociety · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How many MB will be wiped out by a pathetically small scratch on the disk? Remember the promises made of audio CD's?

    With well-designed error correction, nothing. Enough error correcting data would be distributed all around the disc to recover from localized scratches.

  7. Re:It can still lose! by kazade84 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I think it already did... DVD is the victor.

  8. It would be nice if you by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    used the subject as a short summary of your post, rather than the informationless beginning of your comment.

  9. *Yawn* by Urza9814 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Wasn't there a company promising this exact same technology about ten years ago? I've found articles from 2005 talking about a holographic disc from InPhase, and I seem to recall hearing about another company working on something similar even earlier than that, though I can't recall the name of it...what I do recall is hearing something along the lines of the company shutting down several years ago.

  10. Re:Industry by PRMan · · Score: 4, Informative

    Chinese street vendors could use them to create 1 disk sets. All Disney Films on one disk, for example.

    FTFY

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  11. I agree by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    No, wait, I think I got this backwards.

  12. Re:to be correct here by iamhassi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "Can someone find the old slashdot article about petabyte holographic storage? I don't remember how far back it was, but talking about hundreds + layer holographic storage basically."

    Every year there's another "hundreds of layers of storage" article, and we're still sitting here with dual layer DVDs. By the time we see terabyte discs we'll probably all have petabyte hard drives. I remember them talking about blu ray in the 90s, with the prototype arriving in 2000. Back when we had 6gb drives the idea of 50gb discs was amazing, but they dragged their feet so bad creating a standard that by the time it reached market we all moved on to terabyte hard drives. Blu ray burners are still too damn expensive, costing five times ($160 vs $30) more than a DVD burner costs. And once you have one then what? Pay $3 to $7 for each BD-R disc? No thanks, even at $3 for 25gb that's $120 per terabyte, 50% more than a 1 terabyte hard drive.

    So forgive me if I don't get all excited every time they announce a new high capacity disc format because they haven't fixed the one they have out now.

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  13. Re:Off-site backup? by Gilmoure · · Score: 4, Funny

    8' thick slab of granite, with letters laser cut through. This is then sealed in the middle of 30' of non-reactive UV resistant clear polymer. This cube is then set on top of a mountain on the south pole of the moon, aligned so that the sun only strikes it once every 240 earth days, shining through and then having flaming letters 300' high show up on the shadowed wall of crater Faustinni.

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  14. Re:to be correct here by dgatwood · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I posted a similar comment about a year ago. Optical media should be a great backup medium, but because they take so long to ramp up production and push the cost of the media down, it is useless before anyone can afford it. Blu-ray media at 50 GB per disc is already useless and it still isn't even close to price parity with hard drives. To fully back up a 500 GB hard drive (the industry average size now) takes 10 discs to back up once. At 30 minutes per disc, this is five hours of continuous burning, during which time you have to have someone swapping out discs every half hour. For a terabyte HD, you're more than an entire work day. You should be doing a full backup at least every month and incremental backups weekly. Do the math, and you're spending the better part of a week every month just doing backups. The average hard drive needs to be able to be backed up on a single disc or you've already failed. Blu-ray has already failed.

    As a result, recordable optical media is basically worthless except for people burning content to give to other people, which is a tiny fraction of its potential user base. If they would ramp production way up and flood the market with cheap media immediately even before the recorders are available in quantities, people would flock to them in droves. It's counterintuitive, but the only way any optical format will ever be particularly useful to the general consumer is if the industry decides to make it a loss leader for about a year. By the end of that year, you'll have so much adoption that it won't be losing money anymore, and it will be in the hands of consumers early enough to be broadly useful.

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