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Report Claims Iran Has Data To Build a Nuclear Bomb
reporter writes "According to a startling report just covered by the New York Times, 'senior staff members of the United Nations nuclear agency have concluded in a confidential analysis that Iran has acquired sufficient information to be able to design and produce a workable atom bomb.' In 2007, American intelligence erroneously concluded that Tehran in 2003 stopped further research into designing a nuclear bomb. This conclusion was contradicted by German, French, and Israeli intelligence. Recently, London also concluded that the American assessment is incorrect. So, here we are. The Iranians have the knowledge to build a nuclear bomb and have been working relentlessly to perfect its design. Tehran is apparently able to create the components (e.g. enriched uranium) that can be assembled into such a weapon. Meanwhile, Jerusalem is communicating with the Kremlin about a list of Russian scientists it believes are assisting Iran's efforts to develop the bomb."
Low on substance. High on unreliable sources. This is not news for nerds.
The only way to use the A-bomb is to kill civilans en masse. Theres no military use of an A-bomb without 99% civil casualties.
So, supposed we dont want Iran to be able to kill civilians en masse, why should we allow _anybody else_ to be able to kill civilians en masse? What is the precise reason the US/UK/ France/Russia _need_ to have an A-bomb but Iran doesnt?
How reliable? Hard to say. There have been no further attacks since 9/11. The same people who cry about the poor iraqies are the ones who cried about the poor kurds when they were gassed and right now people who protest Iraq are demanding the worlds intercedes in Darfur and ask why the world allowed rwanda to happen.
Remember, that everyone who reports on these issues has an agenda and that includes the intelligence agencies.
And one of their agenda's is that it is NOT in their intrests to tell everyone what they know.
To get an idea of how hard intelligence is, you should watch the movie Tora Tora Tora! It shows the japanese and american actions before the attack on Pearl Harbour. If you don't know your history that well, you might think at one point that the american have cracked it. A major alert is send out that the japanese WILL attack Pearl Harbour and the entire base is put on full alert. On novermber 31st (forgive me if the date is not exact). The real attack happened of course on the 7th of december. The US intelligence had cracked the code, analysed the enemies actions and correctly predicted their plans. Just got the date wrong.
The result? A cry wolf situation. To many "false" alerts, so that when the final one came, it came to late.
Conspiracy theorists, they are listening in on your line, right NOW!
The japanese had none of these problems, they knew the entire time what day they would attack, they only had one thing to worry about, would they be spotted or not?
The defender always has the thougest job. The attacker only has to be lucky once, the defender every single time. A goalie ain't remembered for the ones he stopped but for the ones he let through.
Iraq was one that got through, how much of it was bad luck, bad judgement or policy, that is very hard to say.
In many ways, I think Iraq was a case of american "arrogance". Americans are raised entirely in their own culture. When I grew up in holland, if you wanted to watch a second tv station, you watched either the brits, belgians or germans depending which was closests. Americans have none of this. Their cultural view is really that everywhere outside america "there be dragons".
They thought that they would simply go into Iraq, topple the leadership and everything be fine. They couldn't comprehend that the oppresive regime had been the lid on a boiling pot of tribal resentment. That there were groups who were NOT waiting to taste the american way of life.
I think someone made a phib, they wanted saddam gone, they knew he had used gas in the past and had been looking for other mass destruction tech and so combined the most dangerous bits of info into a very lethal combo that made the worsed case scenario of a worsed case scenario seem like it was happening right now.
We all do it. "If we don't replace the server TODAY, it will BLOW-UP" is often the only way to get management to move. Only in this case, management was the goverment and armies moved.
How much of all this was pre-planned and how much was bad judgement calls depends on your level of belief in the ability of people to govern (I don't believe goverment is clever enough for big conspiracies, incompetent enough to screw up badly however...)
To get back on track, we know that Iran has backed themselves into a corner. They current powers in Iran need a scapegoat, a boogyman to allow them control all activity in Iran (which is making those in power very rich). They know that invading a nation is certainly possible and Iran is a lot less capable then Iraq was. So, they can't afford to take things to far (Israel has bombed them before and can do so again) but they also can't afford to back down.
Nuclear tech ain't all that hard, building a nuclear bomb you can put on a missle is slightly harder but not impossible. Iran would have to be playing some extreme bluff poker if they weren't at least trying. But so what if they got a bomb? It would put them in an impossible situation. Israel ha
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Do you understand that the only country by far that has used nuclear weapons is USA? And it wasn't anywhere near the last defence mechanism - it was just to show off (and then killing millions of people).
Exactly. And this is modded -1? It's insightful. If USA can have them, why not other countries?
That's like saying that if the reasonably sane and responsible fellow is allowed to own firearms then why isn't the violent and mentally unbalanced crackhead, played by Ahmadinejad this week?
Seriously, Israel has a tiny sliver of land and is surrounded by neighbors who have repeatedly tried to exterminate them. The Iranian theocracy has made it abundantly clear that they want to nuke Israel. Given that a) Israel is already a nuclear power, b) Tehran's geography is an ideal nuclear kill zone, and c) the Iranian theocracy thinks it's possible to induce the return of the "twelfth imam" and the end of the world, maybe it would be a bad idea to let Iran's suicidal dictatorship get nukes?
Personally I'd like to see the Iranian pro-democracy dissidents succeed and overthrow the mullahs but since the theocrats have all the guns and no qualms about using them it doesn't seem likely. Too bad, it looks like Iran is about where the Soviet Union was in their final years, a brutal but wobbly government hated by its people. We need another Reagan but we've got another Carter.
We were talking about nukes here, remember? I dont think Isreal or the US have nuked anybody lately, Korn pone.
Oh, and Hezbollah starting the last war with Israel doesn't count as Iran starting the war because they Hezbollah isn't Iran's lapdog? Grow up.
The burden of proof (i.e. that it does count) is on you. Go.
Right wing fundamentalist Christians totally would.
They'd just call it the righteous hand of USA-lovin Jesus.
That's bull$hit, I wonder why this troll wasn't moderated as such. Do some research yourself first, at least read the wikipedia article.
The problem is that the media is begging the question, framing the data, and making stuff up so that reasonable people will say, "It sure seems that way!" --and then go along with the next incredibly stupid war on the agenda. Remember; the people driving this shit are the same ones who bankrupted the country and lied about WMD's in order to control oil and people and everything else.
No thank-you. I just don't believe the bullshit anymore. Iran may not be perfect, but frankly, I'm more concerned with religious fanatics of the Republican/Palin variety (Apocalypse NOW) at home with access to the button than I am about the weapons held by nations half a planet away. And who the hell cares about Israel anyway? The loony Zionists have been burning their bridges like crazy these past few years. The world is going to let out a collective grunt of righteousness when they finally get themselves nuked. And now organ harvesting? Ugh. Why doesn't the big media focus appropriate attention on THAT for a while?
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Most Americans are decent hard working people. They bear you and your thousands of years old religion no ill will. They are poor, sometimes unemployed, trying to feed their families, spending time bettering themselves through reading and fitness.
There is a problem group of Americans though that give the corporations free reign, subvert our constitutional democracy, and starve and torture our citizens as well as yours, and hundreds of others across the globe.
These heathens and criminals by and large live in Washington DC. You can google map it.
Please leave Seattle, Portland, Boise, Tampa, LA, Frisco, San Diego, Atlanta and all the rest of our cities alone. The people who live there are decent hard working honest people, who really wish the best for you and the rest of the planet.
Most Americans still want to know who killed JFK effectively ending their constitutional democracy. Most Americans know that buildings don't explode from the top down spontaneously. Most Americans know that the most extreme "terrorists" were actually trained and hired by the CIA and Mossad.
Once again, Washington DC is easy to find. I'd just like to point that out again.
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Thank you. I love it how both the bible and the quaran get misquoted regularly. Interestingly enough, not in the same direction of the 'warm and fuzzy feelings'-scale.
Israel, Israel, Israel. Has it occurred to you that, remotely possibly, not all of us believe that the world revolves around Israel?
With all the skeletons in their closets, I'm not sure I'd bat an eye if Israel would actually be removed from the map.
Now before you people go screaming bloody murder, I don't know many people from Israel. Actually, I know none. I do not judge them. All I judge is the governments behaviour and at this point, it's abominable.
In my country, people of four different languages live together. We have freedom of religion. I don't consider us superhumans. So do excuse me if I am not impressed by a country that fails to manage to have two ethnic groups live together peacefully. And I don't even want to hear whose fault that is. Israel is by FAR the top dog in that region. They have superior weapons, superior training and superior infrastructure. Being the Goliath in this equation, it would be their duty to end this 'war'.
Seeing as you bring forth no arguments as to why I am saying stupid things I believe it safe to ignore your opinion.
It appears that Obama won't go along with another false-flag terrorist attack, and the lack of such has made people loose interest in the supposed "war on terror". The ruling elite desperately needs another dangerous enemy. "Nukes in Iran" seems old already, but it may catch on if they repeat it if the predominant "media" repeats it over and over and over and over. "- The war is not meant to be won, it is meant to be continuous. Hierarchical society is only possible on the basis of poverty and ignorance. This new version is the past and no different past can ever have existed. In principle the war effort is always planned to keep society on the brink of starvation. The war is waged by the ruling group against its own subjects and its object is not the victory over either Eurasia or East Asia, but to keep the very structure of society intact."
9/11: Never forget it was a false-flag operation