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Apple Takes Action Over Australian Logos

sams67 writes "Australian supermarket Woolworth is on the receiving end of an action from Apple over Woolworth's new logo. The green, highly stylized 'W' logo could at best be described as 'apple-like.' As outlined in the article, Apple is taking similar action in Australia against music festival promoter, Poison Apple, and pay TV provider Foxtel, over their fruit-related logos."

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  1. Wow, that's hypocracy by AuMatar · · Score: 4, Insightful

    From the company that complained bitterly when sued by Apple Records.

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    1. Re:Wow, that's hypocracy by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not just complained bitterly. Acted like a petulant child. Why do you think it took so long for the Beatles to be on iTunes?

    2. Re:Wow, that's hypocracy by Kierthos · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Look at the logos, though. It would be one thing if the Woolworth's logo was silver, or looked like an apple with a bite out of it. It's neither. It's bright fucking green. It also looks like a stylized lower case 'w', as well as maybe looking like an apple. But honestly, are any Apple-fanboys going to confuse the two? No. Is anyone going to mistakenly assume that the store labeled "Woolworth's" is really an Apple store in disguise? No. Is anyone going to go to the Woolworth's web-page and wonder "Where the fuck are the iTunes downloads?". No. No. A thousand times no.

      There's "defend the trademark" and then there's "rampant corporate paranoia".

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    3. Re:Wow, that's hypocracy by Macman408 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Yes, but they're doing this for legal safety; either Woolworth's trademark claim gets denied (Apple wins), Woolworth settles (Apple wins), or the government determines that the logos are sufficiently distinct and grants Woolworth's application (Apple still wins). Otherwise, say somebody makes a logo that the government decides does infringe on Apple's trademark; if the offenders can make the case that Woolworth's did it first and Apple didn't protect their trademark, then Apple loses it. But having a definite decision that Woolworth's did not infringe on Apple's logo gives Apple ammunition in future lawsuits.

    4. Re:Wow, that's hypocracy by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And yet the Woolworths apple logo looks absolutely nothing like the Apple Computer logo. Nice.

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    5. Re:Wow, that's hypocracy by lewko · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It's not hypocracy.

      Okay. Well how about hypocrisy?

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    6. Re:Wow, that's hypocracy by aussie_a · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they have to sue Woolworths then they also have to sue Taco Bell. Because that's how close the the trademarks are.

      I certainly understand in the case of Poisoned Apple and Foxtel. But Woolworths? Seriously?

      I don't see how any lawyer could in good faith say "there could be an issue with the woolworths logo, we should sue just to be on the safe side."

    7. Re:Wow, that's hypocracy by mjwx · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Yes, but they're doing this for legal safety; either Woolworth's trademark claim gets denied (Apple wins), Woolworth settles (Apple wins), or the government determines that the logos are sufficiently distinct and grants Woolworth's application (Apple still wins).

      BZZZZZZT, but thanks for playing.

      In Australia when plaintiff makes a false claim against another person they are legally permitted to sue the plaintiff under our woeful deformation laws. Given the obvious difference between the two logo's there is no way for Apple to win this so at the very least Apple will have to pay for Woolworths legal costs as well as their own (Apple loses).

      This is not a trademark defence, this is an egotistical and paranoid corporation attempting to enforce its will on other corporations by using the wrong law as a bludgeon. Apple will lose this one like they lost their suite against NYC in a remarkably similar case.

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    8. Re:Wow, that's hypocracy by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I can see a similarity between the two. The question is if, when presented with the two, would I be confused into thinking that a Woolworth's branded product is an Apple product, and is it the intention of Woolworth's for this to be the case. The answer is no.

      I look at the Woolworth's logo and see an apple. I do not see an Apple apple.

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    9. Re:Wow, that's hypocracy by ta+bu+shi+da+yu · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Believe me, almost all Australians know what Woolworths is, and the very, very tiny percentage of the population who don't know the difference between the Woolworths grocery-inspired apple logo and Apple Computer's Apple logo probably a. don't use computers in the first place, and b. can't afford a computer. So no real threat of market dilution there.

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  2. L.C.D by EdIII · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Having seen the logos (I read the article. sorry) my first thought was, "How stupid do they really think people are?"

    I myself could easily identify the difference after my 3rd day awake in Vegas with a .28 and a swollen left eye received from an offended stripper.

    Upon further reflection though the lowest common denominator really is the lowest common denominator. If there are people out there stupid enough to believe a prince in Nigeria is going to give them a million dollars, send txt messages to American Idol at .99c each, pay the infinite profit margin for txt messaging period, and participate in the various money sinks present in the banalities on the Internet... then perhaps Apple does have a valid concern.

    As much as I hate to agree with greedy megacorps, Apple's premise is that the majority of people are stupid enough to confuse the logos, and unfortunately I can't seem to argue that they are wrong.. with their premise.

    1. Re:L.C.D by purpledinoz · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That means Apple owns all logos that are apple shaped? Also, I think it's totally wrong to cater to the "lowest common denominator". At some point, people have to take responsibility for their own actions. This thinking is a huge problem in America. Whenever something happens, the first question is "Who do I sue?"

  3. Kneejerk litigation by ZackSchil · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think Apple has it out for Woolworth's and I don't think Woolworth's meant to make a logo that's similar to Apple's. I see the similar shape but no one would ever mistake the two. This is really just reflexive litigation where the party that potentially faces dilution issues just wants to get the issue in front of a judge for some ass covering. Whether they win or lose, Apple can point to this and say they tried to defend their trademark. And if they lose and in the future, the logo condenses and the bent dash starts to straighten out and it really does look like the Apple logo, they can point to this case again and use it as leverage to say "yeah, we saw this coming, we're not only suing now that it's established".

    tl;dr: It's just some cover your ass litigation and nothing more.

  4. Simple, change your fruit. by zekt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay then... it's a lime. Now go take a running jump.

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  5. Really?? by laughingcoyote · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having looked at the two logos, they're easily distinguishable. Apple's logo is solid, the "W" is made of two overlapping loops. Apple's logo has the "bite", the W has no similar feature. Apple's logo is silver, the "W" is green. And on from there...

    The article goes on to say that Apple is also trying to prevent someone else from using a logo of an apple with a devil, and all manner of things. That seems a misuse of trademark law. Trademark law is intended to prevent confusing similarities—something like making an MP3 player with a logo of an apple with the bite out of the opposite side, and calling it the "Appel miPod". It's not intended to prevent use of a common fruit in any type of logo anywhere, or to prohibit something with a vague, passing similarity in geometric shape but an obvious difference in any other way.

    In fact, I seem to remember Apple making similar arguments themselves, when sued by a certain Apple Records...

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  6. They'll lose this one... by sitarlo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think the logos aren't similar enough to prove an infringement of trademark, especially international. This is going to be a big waste of money and time for Apple. Why attack Aussie businesses with fruity logos anyway? Don't they have anything better to do? Like, maybe fix the iMac "Big Yellow Line" display problems.

  7. People don't understand trademarks. by Rocketship+Underpant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're right, of course. Not only are the logos not similar, it's irrelevant. Trademark law permits companies to have similar logos and names so long as they don't compete in the markets and there is no likelihood of reasonable consumers getting confused about which company they're doing business with. No one is going to go to an Apple store to by fresh produce, and no one is going to shop at Woolworths to look for a Macbook Pro. And even if they tried, they'd fail.

    Trademarks are not copyrights. They're a consumer protection device, not a government-granted monopoly on an idea, word, or symbol.

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  8. Re:Woolworths is no College Kid getting sued by RI by Nazlfrag · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, your post is little more than a thinly veiled ad hominem attack on Woolworths with zero analysis of the logos or situation at hand. Whatever unrelated Woolworths behaviour you care to mention doesn't make Apples actions any less idiotic, and Apple not only have a history of such idiocy but are quite the hypocrites from when they defended their logo from Apple Records.

    Woolworths aside, are Foxtel and Poison Apple also fair game thanks to unrelated activities?

  9. Re:Woolworths is no College Kid getting sued by RI by twostix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yes,

    I was trying to buy an expensive boutique computer the other day and I ended up coming home with nothing as there was this store that tricked me into going in with their shop as they have a logo that looks *just like Apples*. It turned out to be a bloody grocery store!! The nerve, a grocey chain using an Apple as their logo! Then I looked around and noticed that they're everywhere here in Australia and I mean *everywhere*.

    I swear who does this grocery store with over 700 stores in Australia think they are using the same type of fruit as an obscure American computer companies logo. I mean Apple has a whopping three stores in this country!

    There should be a law...