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WARF and Intel Settle Patent Suit Over Core 2 Duo

reebmmm writes "The Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation (WARF) and Intel have settled their patent suit over technology developed by Gurindar Sohi, a computer science professor at the University of Wisconsin — Madison. Professor Sohi developed technology that was ultimately patented by WARF using money he received from Intel. Last month, Judge Barbara Crabb found that the funding agreement was ambiguous, but that e-mails revealed that the money was an unrestricted gift and carried with it no obligation to license or assign any inventions to Intel. Trial was scheduled to begin today. The terms of the settlement were not disclosed."

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  1. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by MozeeToby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    He has no control over it, if he used University facilities to do the research and isn't bound by some other agreement, the patents are controlled by WARF. Complain about A) a system that takes control away from the inventor or B) the way WARF handled this case.

  2. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by PalmKiller · · Score: 2, Interesting

    He had a gentleman's agreement to work on the chip it seems from the litigation. Once the university caught on, he tucked his tail and screwed Intel over, so much for the Gentleman part, the a-hole should have owned up to the actual verbal deal with Intel in court, so the suit by the university was null and void, and took his walking papers (and/or lawsuit) from the university like a real man.

  3. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by genmax · · Score: 5, Informative

    Or perhaps,

    Intel: The work you do has had an immense impact on the field, and helped us a lot. Thank you, and here's some money so that you keep working on this.
    Sohi: Thanks man!
    (After research)
    Intel: Hey, we own everything you make!

    Or even,

    WARF: Here's $$$$$$ so that you can set up your lab, hire graduate students, buy equipment. As a condition for the money, we would like to explicitly state that we should own patent rights to your inventions.
    Sohi: Sounds good.
    Intel: Here's $$ -- consider it a gift.
    Sohi: Thanks man. .. sohi invents something ..
    WARF: Nice job, we'll patent that now.
    Intel: Hey, no fair, we paid some money too, we own the rights.
    Judge: (to intel) No you don't!

    ---

    I'm a graduate student, and I can tell you that it is quite common for companies to fund faculty members via gifts --- that come with no strings attached. Why, you ask ? Altruism -- not really. It is often in a company's interest to have a good relationship with a faculty member / university lab. It means that the faculty member is more likely to work at solving problems that the company would like solved. It is often understood that if the problem is solved, the solution may be in the public domain or that they may have to license it from the university --- but that's better than not having a solution at all. The money that the company pays is often peanuts compared to what they'd have to spend to build a similar research environment themselves.

  4. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by BikeHelmet · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If I worked on something for years, I'd want more than $90,000 before I signed it over.

    Just sayin'...

  5. Settlement Terms... by fahrbot-bot · · Score: 3, Funny

    The terms of the settlement were not disclosed.

    Gets to be in the next Intel "Rock Star" TV commercial instead of that "co-inventor of the USB" poser, Ajay Bhatt. :-)

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  6. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by MozeeToby · · Score: 3, Insightful

    So, you're saying that Intel gave him a bunch of money with a "gentleman's agreement" that anything he came up with would belong to them? Doesn't that strike you as the kind of thing you would want a contract for? I kind of doubt that Intel was like "Here's a million dollars, don't worry about signing anything, we trust you."

  7. Re:Was this a Tax Dodge - or Graft? by 1729 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why isn't anyone picking up on the fact Sohi was possibly working for them illegally? Did the H1B's run out?

    You've got to be kidding me. When I was a grad student at Wisconsin, Prof. Sohi was the CS department chair. Don't assume that someone is an "H1B" just because they have a foreign-sounding name.

  8. Re:Warf the space nigga by binarylarry · · Score: 2, Funny

    There are black klingons?

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  9. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by Grishnakh · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Is his name on the Patent? If so, then he had to expend a lot of work in writing it up, meeting with the patent attorney, etc. It's not like the University just got a patent on his work without him being involved in it. Therefore, he's just as responsible as the University for screwing over their corporate benefactor.

    This will probably be the end of UW as a corporate-funded research university, if other corporations are smart. If I was an executive at any tech company, I'd be pulling all funding from this place right away.

  10. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by Grishnakh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yes, but it sucks that people have to have so much legalese in every dealing they have with others, because there's absolutely no trust, respect, or decency left. Just from the description of this story, it seems pretty obvious. Uni gets funding from Intel, develops new tech, patents it, Intel uses it, and gets sued. Please explain how this is correct moral behavior. It isn't. It might be legal, but it isn't right. And this means that tech companies are going to be much less trusting of Universities when thinking about handing out big bags of money to fund research, which is something we desperately need more of in this country to keep on top in technology (since we're losing in everything else, namely manufacturing).

  11. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by macraig · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Which is precisely why corporate CEOs - and sundry other people at the top of various food chains - are likely to be the least ethical people you're going to meet. Ethically ambiguous people are thus more capable of making decisions that maximize profit, in true the-end-justifies-the-means fashion.

    As a civilization, then, we're hypocrites: we talk a lot about ethics and rights and equality and such, but then THESE are the people we promote to the highest levels of both business and government. Is it any wonder all the talk goes unrewarded and stays largely just talk? Look at how many millions of people were, and are still, convinced that either Bush or Obama are actually ethical.

    If we really wanna change the world, we'll have to first change the criteria we're using that allow such ethically unsound people to always wind up in positions making decisions for all the rest of us.

  12. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    First of all, the university got _no_ money from Intel. The money was given to Guri somewhat surreptitiously, specifically so that the university could not channel it to other uses (for example, providing Sohi with an office to work in, and office space for his numerous grad students).

    Secondly, the university, as well as several other funding agencies, provided Sohi with significantly more than $90,000 in the same time period. It is not as though Guri owes his career to Intel. On the contrary - $90,000 is a paltry sum for a big shot like Sohi. Hardly enough to keep a single grad student fed on crackers and spaghetti-o's for five years, much less travel expenses.

    To walk away from this story thinking that Sohi and UW are somehow ungrateful profiteers is folly. Rather, it is Intel who clearly overstepped here, in thinking that Sohi's most lucrative and significant work could be purchased for such an insignificant price, and then requiring UW to put up legal expenses for a year while they played victim to maintain appearances. The fact that so many suckers actually believe Intel is the victim here indicates that this form of damage control was a prudent investment on their part. If that doesn't upset you, then you're beyond hope.

  13. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    There was no issue about a gentleman's agreement between Sohi and UW; that was between Sohi and Intel.

    Furthermore, UW has very generous rules regarding the IP of its students and faculty. Specifically, the researcher owns the IP and is free to do with it what they will. WARF is an organization that procures and manages patents for those who decide to take that route. Sohi was well within his rights to patent his work, and IMHO his actions were reasonable.

    One must realize that Intel gave Sohi $90,000 over the course of ten years (this is a very small amount for a researcher like Sohi), in the course of which several other funding organizations (including UW) gave him significantly more money. Intel realized that they did not have a leg to stand on, legally or ethically, and thus the case was settled.

    In light of this, who would actually rather see money from this innovation go to a behemoth corporation than a nonprofit institution of higher learning? Duh...

  14. Patent was on memory disambiguation by DrDitto · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If anyone cares, the patent deals with memory disambiguation. The basic jist is that it is hard to execute *memory* instructions out-of-order when previous the address computation of previous instructions has not completed (otherwise what would happen if the processor completes a load instruction, out-of-order, for a prior store instruction that did not yet complete due to a dependence on address computation?). Sohi's patent figured out a way to predict this and to allow the Core2 to get much better out-of-order execution.

    Sohi is *highly* respected in the field of computer architecture. In fact Wisconsin is considered one of the best computer architecture schools in the world.

  15. How WARF Works. by bezenek · · Score: 4, Informative

    I was a graduate student at the University of Wisconsin for 6 years, during which I was able to work with Guri Sohi as his teaching assistant, in addition to having many stimulating technical discussions.

    WARF (Wisconsin Alumni Research Foundation, warf.org) helps faculty and students patent their ideas and protect the patents. Remember, a patent is only as good as the lawyers who are willing to go to court to defend it--as this WARF v. Intel situation has shown.

    WARF was established in 1925, and helped the University of Wisconsin become one of the first academic institutions to take advantage of the patent system. The patent for including vitamin D in milk was the first big money winner for WARF and the university.

    The system is driven by the inventor. If a faculty member or student has an idea they want to patent, WARF covers the expenses, provides help with prior-art, etc. efforts, and pledges to defend the patent. For this, WARF gets 80% of the patent revenues, which it puts back into research funding for the university. The inventor(s) receive 20% of the revenues. From what I have heard, this is a larger percentage than that given to the inventor at many other institutions.

    -Todd

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  16. Re:Hope he never gets funded again by macshit · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The point is simple: if you want certain special benefits in return for your money (and Intel clearly did), then you should be above-board and state them. There's nothing morally superior about "implicit" strings.

    If they really want to give no-strings-attached funding -- meaning no strings attached, not "strings-attached-but-we-can-dance-around-and-look-selfless-for-marketing-purposes" -- then they're still perfectly free to do so.

    I think in general improved transparency is a good thing, and wink-wink-nod-nod relationships with big corporations are not compatible with that. If companies care about certain things like avoiding excess patent licensing fees, they'll just specify those terms in grants; this is no different in effect than the "implicit" terms you seem to advocate, except that it is more transparent, and because of that, less subject to abuse or misinterpretation.

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  17. Re:Was this a Tax Dodge - or Graft? by stiggle · · Score: 2, Informative

    It wasn't illegal - it was just bypassing the university administration so they didn't syphon off a percentage of the money. Intel wanted their 'gifts' to go 100% to Sohi.