De Icaza Responds To Stallman

ndogg writes "It's no secret that Stallman doesn't like Mono. Miguel, however, has been pretty quiet about those criticisms, until now. It seems he'll no longer be quiet. He's responded strongly to an article by Stallman that criticizes Codeplex about its aims due to its origin at Microsoft. Miguel says Stallman is fearmongering, and is missing an opportunity by his criticism."

Comments

WTF ?

[ciderVisor]

Eh ? I agree wholeheartedly that your comment doesn't even begin to make sense.

Re:A matter of credibility

[Blakey Rat]

RME might do better if he learned to write like an adult. Right now, whenever I read an article from him, it feels like a combination of paranoid rantings and a childrens book. He doesn't give any indication that he's actually considered the topic or understands the viewpoint of his opponents. Plus, in this case, it just seems like he'll never, ever be satisfied with anything- so why bother to cowtow to his beliefs?

Mono guard inside even Debian now

[SgtChaireBourne]

I didn't think it affected me either until I put a new copy of debian on a machine and did an "apt-get install gnome" and found a copy of mono being installed on my machine. What I want to know is WTF was debian even thinking when they did that? It's obvious they weren't thinking very well since they back-pedaled and claimed that mono wasn't in the default install, by which they mean that it's only in the gnome metapackage and not the gnome-core or gnome-desktop. It's also equally obvious that anyone who wants to install gnome will first try apt-get install gnome rather than the non-intuitive gnome-core. The point is that Mono is creeping into distributions ...

As a fellow Debian user, I too am incensed that Debian developers, without consulting the user base have taken a monumental leap away from the projects original stated goals and ideals. You now have a team of cockroaches inside the bread box: Eduard Bloch (Zomb), Mirco Bauer (meebey), Mirco Bauer (meebey), Sebastian Dröge (slomo), Jo Shields (directhex), and David Paleino (hanska) somehow got into Debian and are spending their time to inject contaminate it with Microsoft imitations of legitimate technologies.

" What this means in real terms is that the pkg-cli-apps, pkg-cli-libs and pkg-mono teams now have a second person with upload rights..."

Again, if Miguel's time on earth is so precious short, WTF is he spending it encouraging people to reinvent the wheel using failed products? Mono needs to be removed from Debian. The mono team needs to be removed from Debian. If they want to continue their work, fine, but do it in Redmond far away from the from any Open Source or Free Software projects.

The whole fiasco also speaks volumes to how the trade journals have been whittled down, removed and controlled. Debian was high-tech, ethical when it came out. Now gNewSense fills that role. However, there's no reason to cede Debian to Microsoft, especially not since important distros are built from Debian. But that would be the main reason Microsoft activist have it as a target to ruin.

With the back-pedalling, Debian leadership shows it is aware of the problem. Next step is to do something. Right now it looks like a personnel problem with a small clique pushing their personal agenda where the monomaniacal goal is to shove M$ technology in every project in existence. It doesn't seem to matter to them if something is good quality or bad, efficient or inefficient, appropriate or not licensed with a clear safe license or not.

Mono is start to end a Microsoft technology. Those few individuals writing to defend mono must cease astroturfing and offer full disclosure as to their employment. M$ astroturfing is not tolerated.