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FBI Bringing Biometric Photo Scanning To North Carolina, Via DMV

Posted by timothy on from the if-you-have-nussink-to-hide dept.

AHuxley writes "The FBI is getting fast new systems to look at local North Carolina license photos via the DMV. As the FBI is not authorized to collect and store the photos, they use the North Carolina Division of Motor Vehicles. The system takes seconds to look at chin widths and nose sizes. The expanded technology used on millions of motorist could be rolled out across the USA. The FBI's Integrated Automated Fingerprint Identification System is also getting an upgrade to DNA records, 3-D facial imaging, palm prints and voice scans."

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  1. I wish my state was like New Hampshire.... by Shakrai · · Score: 5, Insightful

    NH gives you the option to have your picture removed from their database after they print your license. Too bad more states aren't that progressive. Why is Government even allowed to use our driver licenses for anything other than driving, anyways? I don't even carry mine unless I'm driving. Why would I?

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    We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    1. Re:I wish my state was like New Hampshire.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      How do you know it's actually removed?

      Governments can't be trusted. Government software systems developed by expensive consultants often can't be trusted to work properly, even for their simplest functionality.

    2. Re:I wish my state was like New Hampshire.... by daem0n1x · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm so glad private corporations exist, because they are sooooo more reliable. And their consultants are sooooo much cheaper.

    3. Re:I wish my state was like New Hampshire.... by spinkham · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Any interaction with police not involving a motor vehicle should involve primarily these phrases:
      "Am I being detained?" "Am I free to go?"

      If you are being detained, stop and identify laws in about 1/2 of the states allow officers to demand identification. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_and_Identify_statutes#States_with_.E2.80.9Cstop-and-identify.E2.80.9D_statutes Even in most of those states, you are only required to state your name, not provide documents or any further information besides your name.

      You new script is now:

      "I do not consent to a search" "I do not wish to answer questions without a layer present"

      See http://www.flexyourrights.org/street_stop_scenario for the slightly more complicated automobile case.

      Police officers script many of their interactions because of the legal requirements.. You should also.

      Note, much of this advice I've received from police officer friends. Endeavor to be polite, but don't give up your rights voluntarily. If the officer has probable cause to hold you or search your belongings, they will make that clear and won't ask for your permission. If they're asking, not telling, say no.

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    4. Re:I wish my state was like New Hampshire.... by commodore64_love · · Score: 1, Insightful

      At least when the Comcast monopoly or other corporations come-round demanding money, I can tell them to "Fuck off; I don't want your service." Try doing that with the U.S. or State government sometime. There are three possibilities: (1) Suck the money directly from your paycheck. (2) Jail. (3) Get shipped to Afghanistan, Vietnam or some other place where we are currently fighting.

      Corporations are bad, evil, et cetera but at least I can ignore them. I can't ignore Congress because they keep pushing their way through my front door, trying to run every piece of my life.

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    5. Re:I wish my state was like New Hampshire.... by daem0n1x · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Corporations are bad, evil, et cetera but at least I can ignore them. I can't ignore Congress because they keep pushing their way through my front door, trying to run every piece of my life.

      Have you tried getting out and seeing the world? Corporate abuse and monopolies are all around. You can't ignore them, nobody can. And the worst that can happen is when corporations and the government get together.

    6. Re:I wish my state was like New Hampshire.... by Shakrai · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How are they legalized if you still have to worry about getting "caught"? Perhaps you meant to say decriminalized instead?

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      I want peace on earth and goodwill toward man.
      We are the United States Government! We don't do that sort of thing.
    7. Re:I wish my state was like New Hampshire.... by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

      >>>If the officer has probable cause to hold you or search your belongings, they will make that clear and won't ask for your permission.

      What I hate is when they use a dog. The U.S. Constitution required an oath before a judge, and since dogs cannot take oaths, they shouldn't be able to establish probable cause either.

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      "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it." - historian Evelyn Beatrice Hall
    8. Re:I wish my state was like New Hampshire.... by TubeSteak · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm glad Illinois kept my picture.

      The road to 1984 is paved with convienence.

      What is convienent for you is also convienent for law enforcement & other government agencies to troll through.
      This is why civil libertarians fight against government & private databases at every turn.
      There is a balance between convience and security, but the balancing point is highly individual.

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  2. I wonder what would have happened by GungaDan · · Score: 2, Insightful

    had the NC DMV told the FBI to kindly go Cheney itself when issued the request? Seems they are under no obligation to share, but chose to do so. Now I wonder what the NC DMV is getting from the Feds in return...

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  3. The numbers don't work by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They have caught a couple people but investigated dozens of innocent people. And the AP reporter picture came back as a possible terrorism suspect. You want to end up in an FBI report associated with a terrorist? Even if they clear you out later?

    Hopefully they figure out the mistake before you end up where ever they'll be sending terror suspects after GTMO closes.

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    1. Re:The numbers don't work by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You assume that it's possible to be cleared out at all. This is highly unlikely, and probably impossible

      1-off events don't exist when it comes to criminal investigation. Welcome to the system, CITIZEN!

    2. Re:The numbers don't work by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful

      They have caught a couple people but investigated dozens of innocent people.

      In the real world, federal criminal investigations don't play out like Columbo.

      There can be hundreds of possibilities at least worth considering.

       

  4. This is the begining of a Police state by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I am not normally an alarmist, but the fearmongers of the past 8 years have helped make this happen. This is the beginning of a police state.
    As seen above, there is more money and time spent investigating innocent people than actually capturing guilty. This IS guilty until proven innocent.

  5. Big assumption by LockeOnLogic · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Personally, I am for a national ID system - and a national ID card. Verify social security numbers and biometric data (and even DNA) - and unless govt screws the pooch - identity theft is a thing of the past.

    I suggest you listen to your own arguments, might change your mind.

  6. Re:Anyone Know the Exact Rates by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Yet you can still wear a fucking burka.

  7. Re:disturbing... by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seems like the cold war all over again except this time its the government ploting a war against its own citizens.

    Those who do not understand the lessons of history... The cold war was a war waged by the industrial capitalists of the US and the USSR against the citizens of both nations. The people who benefited most were the robber barons of the military-industrial complex. Some of the workers therein benefited as well, except that the resulting damage to both economies (the extent of which is not yet fully accounted for in this nation) is harmful to them as well in the long run.

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  8. Re:Corporations vs. government by locallyunscene · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If you're not a troll then I suggest you read the links I provided for comprehension rather than just skimming. You have to distinguish social policy from economic policy(hence my choice of words above). Meaning I don't see socialist, republican, democrat, fascist as different points on a single line, but different points on a grid. One can favor free market capitalism while also favoring social authoritarianism. Similarly, one can favor social freedom while also favoring market regulation.