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CT Scan "Reset Error" Gives 206 Patients Radiation Overdose

jeffb (2.718) writes "As the LA Times reports, 206 patients receiving CT scans at Cedar Sinai hospital received up to eight times the X-ray exposure doctors intended. (The FDA alert gives details about the doses involved.) A misunderstanding over an 'embedded default setting' appears to have led to the error, which occurred when the hospital 'began using a new protocol for a specialized type of scan used to diagnose strokes. Doctors believed it would provide them more useful data to analyze disruptions in the flow of blood to brain tissue.' Human-computer interaction classes from the late 1980s onward have pounded home the lesson of the Therac-25, the usability issues of which led to multiple deaths. Will we ever learn enough to make these errors truly uncommittable?"

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  1. Will errors ever go away? by s73v3r · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As long as people are involved in some way, no.

    1. Re:Will errors ever go away? by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Mmmmm, anyway, people are always involved if you have a machine. The machine didn't build itself!

  2. Default setting... by courteaudotbiz · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The default setting for an equipment that can be lethal should be "Emit zero radiation". Then for each exposure, set the level of radiation you intend to use. This way, you ALWAYS KNOW the level of radiation the equipment will emit.

    Better investigate "Hey, we got no picture" than "Hey, we got pictures, but everyone dies after that..."

    Didn't RTFA.

  3. Re:Not the engineers fault by betterunixthanunix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The machine's software should not be capable of triggering the release of that much radiation; any change in the radiation levels should require some kind of hardware interaction. Even an idiot who did not RTFM should not be able to cause harm with the machine.

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  4. Maybe testing it afterwards? by uncledrax · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Maybe next time they will test the damn thing before subjecting patients to it? It's a built in part of my job that I test/confirm a change after I make a change.. because often there's a likely hood of something unexpected or improperly explained that can cause an issue.

    How hard would it have been to stick a dosimeter in the machine after the change and run it though a test?
    (I realize that just a basic dosimeter might not be a sufficient measure.. but it would have been good to get a before/after.. and something like a 8-fold increase would have been easily detectable!)

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    1. Re:Maybe testing it afterwards? by RDW · · Score: 5, Insightful

      'How hard would it have been to stick a dosimeter in the machine after the change and run it though a test'

      Supposedly the actual dose would have been displayed on the machine's screen (I wonder how prominently?):

      http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-cedars-sinai14-2009oct14,0,5065886.story

      '"It's in your face on the screen," said Dr. Donald Rucker, chief medical officer for Siemens, a manufacturer of CT scanners.'

      'CT technicians are trained to monitor dose levels, and some hospitals conduct checks before every scan..."There are other places where the techs might be operating more as button-pushers," said Dr. Geoffrey Rubin, a professor of radiology at Stanford University. "The user becomes a little blind to these numbers."'

  5. Re:Not the engineers fault by smitty777 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Couldn't disagree more. Unfortunately, enforcing training and reading manuals would probably have little effect. In my 10+ years doing usability for missile systems, you have to build in the mechanisms to keep the users from doing bad things. Even if you force the user to read the *entire manual* before each use, people still have bad days, hangovers, fights with significant others. It has to be designed in.

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  6. Re:Not the engineers fault by vertinox · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The machine's software should not be capable of triggering the release of that much radiation; any change in the radiation levels should require some kind of hardware interaction. Even an idiot who did not RTFM should not be able to cause harm with the machine.

    I'm not sure what you mean by this? Most hardware is software these days.

    Or are you talking about having a red button with a safety lock on it that has to be pushed in order to work?

    Either way, people still bypass hardware solutions.

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  7. Re:Not the engineers fault by snowraver1 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hardware interaction... Like maybe "[...]resetting the machine to override the pre-programmed instructions that came with the scanner when it was installed."?

    I'm willing to bet that the person that modified the machine has read, at least, the relevant parts of the manual.

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  8. The errorless machine... by TemporalBeing · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Will we ever learn enough to make these errors truly uncommittable?"

    There is and never will be such a thing as a machine without the possibility for error. And you'll never get around the old adage/rule - If it can happen, it will. How often it occurs it the key; and while we should always aim to make an error-less machine, it is an impossibility and we can only achieve it by make the occurrence of such errors as few and far between as possible.

    After all, an error-prone human must be involved to make the machine; even if that machine made another machine a human was still involved at some point to make the original. Thus there will always be the possibility for errors. Even if, as demonstrated by the Matrix, iRobot, and many others, the machines make that error on purpose to save humanity - it is still an error.

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  9. Re:Not the engineers fault by Serenissima · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think he means it should be hardwired into the unit to NEVER EVER exceed a certain level of X-Ray radiation. That should be the default. If there's some medical reason why the dosage needs to increase, you should have to turn it UP to that dosage and then the machine should reset itself to the default. There should NEVER be a problem of the machine defaulting to an extremely high level of radiation requiring personnel to turn it down. It should always start out low in case some dumbass technician runs the machine without making any changes.

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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  11. Re:HULK MAD! by frito_x · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hate this "immediately moderate when you select an option" feature. meant to mod funny... slip of the mouse goes to overrated... there should be a go/ok button next to the list imho.

    wasted 3 mod points... oh well...
         

  12. Re:Not the engineers fault by Sockatume · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Don't even hard-wire it. Engineer it so that operating in the high-dose regime requires physical intervention, a "Kill Handle" with a lock and key. The machine should be physically incapable of generating an above-standard dose when the "Kill Handle" is not being held. Limit the power, or something. (The aformentioned Therac incident happened, in part, because such a hardware interlock did not exist.)

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  13. Re:It's About Automation by antifoidulus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The advantages of simplified training are not just beneficial on an economic scale. While its unfortunate that this error killed people, think of how many more people would die if complex training was required to use these types of machines. Ultimately, it would lead to fewer operators and thus less access to the machine, which ostensibly helps save lives.

  14. Re:Not the engineers fault by Greyfox · · Score: 5, Insightful

    My machine would irradiate the operators by default and would require that a obscure button sequence be pushed in order to irradiate the patient instead. That way the idiot who didn't RTFM would end up dying of radiation poisoning, not the patient. Eventually the survivors who DID RTFM would breed and pass on their proclivity to RTFM. Really it's for the good of the entire human race, if you think about it...

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  15. Re:It's About Automation by sunderland56 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think being trained to fully understand the automobile will decrease the number of automobile related deaths.

    Being trained to fully understand the laws of physics would certainly decrease automobile accidents.

  16. Re:Not the engineers fault by BigDukeSix · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's not quite that simple. The CT scanner is set up with a distinct scanning protocol for whatever part of the body you're imaging. If you're trying to get a detailed image of the bones of the pelvis you have to use more power than if you're imaging the lungs. The scan is further individualized by patient size. Given that infants and very large people are imaged on the same scanner, the software has to vary radiation dose over a reasonably wide range, and it's a different setting for every scan.

  17. Re:Not the engineers fault by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The machine's software should not be capable of triggering the release of that much radiation

    That sentence, essentially, just said "The machine did something bad. It should have been designed so it isn't allowed to do that."

    That's what qualifies as "insightful" these days????

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  18. Re:It's About Automation by Ironica · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...But in that particular accident, the drunk is less likely to suffer severe or fatal injuries. The relaxant effect of alcohol makes their body more resilient to sudden shocks. Also, they're usually having a head-on collision, while they may be striking the other vehicle from the side; as head-on collisions are by far the most common, most of a car's safety features are geared toward mitigating them.

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  19. Re:It's About Automation by Lost+Engineer · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The person who reacts correctly to a slide is not doing so because he understands physics in general but because he has driving specific training. There's really no time to do math in that situation.