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Doubts Raised About Legal Soundness of GPL2

svonkie writes "Two prominent IP lawyers have warned that the all-pervasive General Public License version 2 (GPLv2) is legally unsound. They claim GPLv3 and AGPLv3 are much better suited for the realities of modern open source software. 'If you go back in time to when GPLv2 was written, I don't think people were aware of just how ubiquitous this license would become and how closely scrutinized it would be,' said Mark Radcliffe, partner at the firm DLA Piper and general counsel for the Open Source Initiative (OSI). 'At that time, open source was not something as broadly used as it is now.' Radcliffe was joined by Karen Copenhaver, partner at Choate Hall & Stewart and counsel for the Linux Foundation, for a GPL web conference hosted by the license-sniffing firm Black Duck software"

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  1. Conspiracy? by dijjnn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    So, I actually count myself among the few that like Richard Stallman. I've met him, and he's a nice guy. But does anyone recall the furor over GPLv3 when it first came out, & some of the new provisions? This caused a lot of projects to stick with v2.

    I'm wondering if this isn't just FUD to try to get people to switch to v3. Which is icky, but it did occur to me.

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    1. Re:Conspiracy? by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If Richard Stallman wanted to help open source, he would resign from the FSF.

      RMS doesn't give a crap about open source. He advocates Free Software.

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  2. Cause and Effect by iamhigh · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They claim GPLv3 and AGPLv3 are much better suited for the realities of modern open source software.

    ...

    "At that time, open source was not something as broadly used as it is now."

    Maybe the way it was written is why FOSS is where it's at? Might not be such a bad idea to keep it around?

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    1. Re:Cause and Effect by Teckla · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Maybe the way it was written is why FOSS is where it's at? Might not be such a bad idea to keep it around?

      Then again, maybe the GPL is not responsible for great free software and open source software being written.

      Don't get me wrong, I think developers should be allowed to pick their license of choice, including GPL. But there are plenty of examples of free software and open source software being highly successful and widely used that are not GPL'd.

      The assumption that the GPL is responsible for the success of FOSS reminds me of a Simpsons episode where Homer is carrying a rock around that supposedly repels lions (or something). Lisa says, "That's ridiculous! What makes you think that repels lions?" and Homer replies, "You don't see any lions around, do you?"

  3. Re:Zealots caught in Gnu/Stallmans trap by V!NCENT · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The license was already proven in court numerous times in different countries. It can definately hold up. I don't care that there are two big IP lawyers. Especialy when you keep in mind the fact that IP has less chance of holding up. IP laywers don't like copyleft for a reason.

    Nothing got disproven with that useless article. That, together with you post, will not make an impact at how FLOSS advocates look at the license and it sure as well will not stop them slow them down or even irritate.

    Resistance is futile, proprietary pussy.

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  4. Re:Zealots caught in Gnu/Stallmans trap by Disgruntled+Goats · · Score: 5, Informative

    I wonder who pays these gentlemen.

    If you had read the summary you'd see they work for the OSI and the Linux Foundation. Hardly organizations that are anti-GPL, anti-FOSS or anti-Linux.

  5. Re:USA is not the whole world! by Epsillon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yet the US courts are where the majority of this issue will be argued. Even I, as a Rightpondian, can see the sense in that. Chill. Not everything is a calculated insult to your national sovereignty.

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  6. Re:Not as bad as it sounds! by Sloppy · · Score: 5, Funny

    Because the GPLv2 is abandonware. If FSF wants to pick it up and spin a GPLv2.1 and an LGPLv2.1 off the GPLv2 branch, then maybe it would be a viable license.

    If only they had released GPLv2 under GPLv2, then you could fork it yourself. But now you're stuck with a proprietary free software license that you can't maintain, except by crawling on your hands and knees to FSF, hoping that they see sufficient market for free software licenses to stay in the license development and maintenance business.

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  7. Re:Not as bad as it sounds! by ObsessiveMathsFreak · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Why shouldn't they get the source code to a program they are using, even if it is over SSH? Isn't that the whole point of the Open source and the GPL. Software authors granting the same rights they enjoy to their users? When did having the program you're using running on your own computer become a prerequisite for obtaining GPL rights?

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  8. Re:Not as bad as it sounds! by kestasjk · · Score: 5, Informative

    I chose the AGPL for a web project of mine, and the protection it gives is pretty essential. Without it someone could take the code, improve it and run their site based on it without sharing the improvements back.
    You may hate that etc, and prefer not to share the improvements back, but for my web project I've been able to add lots of improvements to my code that derivative sites wouldn't have been obliged to share otherwise, and everyone enjoys the better code as a result.

    If you don't think that's fair I'd be interested to hear why not.

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  9. Doubts Raised About Legal Status of OSI by rubycodez · · Score: 5, Interesting

    better story: OSI attempts earth-shaking announcement about GPL to draw attention away from fact that their status as nonprofit in California is suspended. Perhaps it was due to failure to file required tax documents (for California and U.S. IRS) for many years, that issue was discussed on Bruce Peren's now-defunct site Technocrat

    http://kepler.sos.ca.gov/corpdata/ShowAllList?QueryCorpNumber=C2224685