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The US's Reverse Brain Drain
We may have to rethink the assumption that Silicon Valley is the hotbed of innovation in which all the world's best and brightest want to work and live. TechCrunch has a piece by an invited expert on the reverse brain drain already evident and growing in the US as Indian, Chinese, and European students and workers in the US plan to return home, or already have. From an extensive interview with Chinese and Indian workers who had already left: "We learned that these workers returned in their prime: the average age of the Indian returnees was 30 and the Chinese was 33. They were really well educated: 51% of the Chinese held masters degrees and 41% had PhDs. Among Indians, 66% held a masters and 12% had PhDs. These degrees were mostly in management, technology, and science. ... What propelled them to return home? Some 84% of the Chinese and 69% of the Indians cited professional opportunities. And while they make less money in absolute terms at home, most said their salaries brought a 'better quality of life' than what they had in the US. ... A return ticket home also put their career on steroids. About 10% of the Indians polled had held senior management jobs in the US. That number rose to 44% after they returned home. Among the Chinese, the number rose from 9% in the US to 36% in China."
Sure, those Chinese and Indian companies will compete with the U.S. firms...but competition is a good thing for humanity as a whole.
Fuck that shit. It's zero sum.
The leave behind the by-blows of countless teens left home alone, single moms dancing to pay for college, and girls who briefly fell in love with a swarthy foreigner whose name they never knew.
In short we've had the best of them, and good riddance to the rest.
Help stamp out iliturcy.
Here's a shocker: we educate foreign students at the cost of displacing domestic students, and then watch as they leave the US and put our industries out of business. Meanwhile, we're left in the cold because domestic students were passed in favor of these foreign students. Who would have thought?
Here's a shocker! Some anonymous coward xenophobe doesn't know what he's talking about! We educate foreign students that out compete domestic students for the spot, yet still have the vast majority of the spots reserved for not only domestic, but in the case of public universities, in-state students. Oh yeah, and until now these students stayed because hell, they already lived here 6 years, want a job, and possibly got married, contribute to the growth of the American economy. Meanwhile the domestic students, that aren't as qualified for graduate studies don't get jobs requiring graduate degrees, bitch about the damn foreigners that are actually qualified for the job! Oh yeah, our brilliant All-American White Anglo Saxon Protestant Harvard MBAs scheme up plan to outsource the job that our immigrant that just got hired and put a downpayment on a house, back to the immigrants home country.
Of course, the people running the graduate programs are from these countries...
Are Americans. Yeah fuck Americans, especially when those damn graduate deans aren't admitting people that don't apply.
What happens when an Indian programmer leaves the US and goes back to India?
The average intelligence of both countries goes up.
Here's a shocker: we educate foreign students at the cost of displacing domestic students, and then watch as they leave the US and put our industries out of business. Meanwhile, we're left in the cold because domestic students were passed in favor of these foreign students. Who would have thought?
Of course, the people running the graduate programs are from these countries...
You sir are an IDIOT of the first order. Haha...
Let me set the record straight. India's currency, the Rupee, is approximately 1/50th that of a dollar i.e.
INR50 = $1
The tuition in US institutions ( good ones ) costs approximately $13K per semester + living costs. Now, being an Indian graduate student here, I can tell you that my I-20 amount was ~$59000. This is the amount that I needed to show to your stupid ass visa officials before they would let me into the US. I ask you sir, how many of your countrymen can show $59000 as CASH in their savings accounts? Considering your entire country runs on the concept of credit I would say VERY FEW :)
Ok, now lets factor in the Indian currency, 59000 * 50 = INR2,950,000 = ~INR3 MILLION
What is the average Indian's wage? I dont know. Do your own research.
BUT drawing from my OWN experience, my parents' ANNUAL income put together is ~INR500,000. Yes thats 1/6th the amount of what I was required to show to the DHS INS before they let me in.
So now I ask you my dear US American friend - who is more deserving? ME or some piss ass rich spoilt brat who is out there getting chicks knocked up and doing pot and weed?
Next time dare you look down upon ME or my fellow countrymen. Raise your standards and then talk about us. We are hard working, deserving human beings.
"TechCrunch has a piece by an invited expert on the reverse brain drain already evident and growing in the US as Indian, Chinese, and European students and workers in the US plan to return home,"
How strange! No mention of the word AFRICAN...
I wonder why that is??
No AFRICAN students and workers in the "brain drain"?
I wonder why!
I don't think so, nazi. Basically, our domestic students don't want to get a degree, they prefer to get a vocational school class in plumbing, so they don't have to really study, and they have more time to pimp-up their monster trucks, while they live on a mobile home park, and write ghettoish imbecilities at their MySpace pages. If they don't find a job? Cool, they are going to live on unemployment checks, and make more white (or latino, or black, or native american, or whatever fills the blank here) trash kiddies with their pathetic loser high school "sweethearts", while both get drunk or high on crack, pcp or crystal meth.
There is where 90% of America is going. And don't blame democrats, GOP or libertarians, it is not their fault. It is just the way things happen in history.
All empires die from the inside out. We, this generation of American people, became such a pile of pathetic loser garbage, that we can't just keep the leading role in the world anymore. Not even our culture is able to rule the world anymore, they prefer to watch Bollywood movies. Our greenback is only kept alive because the Chinese and the Brazilian want it. The day they pull the plug it is going to be obliterated by the Euro. And, if we still are militarily the strongest force in the world, what is that used for? We are just the grunt force of the world cops, getting sent to die at some pathetic bankers oil field of choice.
And our economy? Pfff, our economy power and might resides on the capacity of medium class to buy, 2/3rds of our GDP relies on that. So, as the bunch of ghetto latinos, white and blacks can't get an equity on their houses' mortgage anymore, they are not buying anything. No Plasma TVs, No PS3s, no XBox 360s, no g-unit and ecko clothes, no 30 inch spinning wheels. And, our economy was left with just the 1/3rd of the GDP made of real working people. Well, basic mathematics (I know MySpace users are not good on that, but lets try) says 1/3rd of 15 trillion is just 5 trillion. So with just 5 trillion as GDP we are smaller than China, Germany, Japan, India, South Korea, Brazil and Russia. So, all the American might and glory became this: a third world ghetto country, with a bunch of poor people having poor kids that live on some mobile home park, and writing stupidity at their MySpace pages. And that is why other countries are leaving us behind..
I was born in Madrid, Spain. As i was 10 my parents changed me to a german high school and after that i went to Germany to study engineering. While I was studying Mechanical Engineering in Aachen I went one year abroad to Montreal. That's when i started realizin.g than maybe North America wasn't as advanced as i thought, But hey, Canada is not the USA. So when I finished and got the opportunity to made my Phd at Berkeley, I took it. Coming from Germany, I've always looked at Berkeley and MIT as "the future". I thought they were light years from us, another dimension, robots walking through the campus... I thought it was going to be like the jump from Spain to Germany...
When I arrived, it didnt took me long to realize how wrong I was. After two years I remember talking with my parents, and saying that at the moment the only thing I wanted was to finish as fast as possible. I just wanted to be able to put Berkeley in my resumee and leave, because I really thought I was waisting my time. I was trying as hard as possible to be productive. But it was not only that my tutor was not good enough, or that my department didn't had the money I needed, the worst part is that we were overall behind what my department in Germany was doing. I felt so frustrated spending 90% of the time reinventing the wheel and putting the USA stamp, feeling that I was leaving in the past, and trying but not finding the way to do something about it that i really wanted to leave and do something useful with my life. It was even worst when I talked with a good friend of mine who was also doing his Phd at the same department in Munich. He got almost unlimited finantiation, lots of students doing their master thesis for him, and was really learning a lot, not only about the subject, but about managing a big reserarch team and lots of long time experiments, we just didn't had the same means...
When I finished it was really easy to find interesting jobs in the states, I even doubted because of one really interesting offer at Lockheed. But the real fact was, that the offers from Germany where at a whole different level. I had been in Berkeley! For them that was... Godlike. As I came back I started working for a private company for almost three years, and after that I took a part-time management position at that company and been working there partime since. At the same time I started also working part-time in my second Phd at the university. Im not only doing what i really like, at the moment Im getting a lot of support from very good people, students included, and from the university, state, privates companies... I really feel that im working with the best people in the world.
And till now i've just mentioned the academic side! The rest of my life can be summarized in: I'm payed better in Europe than in the States and at the same time living here is cheaper! And if you add a better public transport system, higher security feeling, way better health care... it's not hard to understand way researches are not staying there. I know a lot of indian people here, and they have already moved their families in and have no plans to retourn to India in the distant future...
So yeah, people go to the states to study because of the fame. When they arrive, they realize things back home werent so bad as they thought. And when they finish things even get better at home, because due to their studies in the states, they are seen as gods... If you add that the quality of life in the states isn't even in the top10 of the world, and that the loan/expenses ratio is better in lots of other countries, you have your answer.
One thing fun to see is how low the standards are ay Berkeley if your grammar is representative of the quality of their education. Maybe taking a few writing classes and learning to spell would have helped you somewhat.