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A Step Closer To Cheap Nuclear Fusion

ewsnow writes "The Focus Fusion Society reports that the scientists and engineers at Lawrenceville Plasma Physics have finally built an operational Dense Plasma Focus device. While still at less than half power, they were able to achieve a pinch on their device. The small company that Eric Lerner started recently gathered enough funding to start a two-year study on the validity of his theory regarding fusion-inducing plasmoids. If the theory holds, the device will produce more electricity than it consumes. In contrast to the billions of dollars spent on Tokamak fusion (think ITER), LPP is conducting their research on a budget around a million dollars. Yet, if it works, it will provide nuclear fusion with much simpler equipment and much less cost. Eric Lerner and Focus Fusion have been discussed on Slashdot before."

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  1. Fusion!? by blhack · · Score: 5, Funny

    Isn't that what they use on the sun!? I don't want that sort of thing in my backyard! what if the reaction gets out of control and it annihilates the entire solar system!? What are we going to do with all of the nucular waste?

    Folks, can we pretty please think of another name for this stuff? 50 years worth of misinformation is, I fear, holding us back. People here the word "nuclear" and immediately start shitting their pants with fear.

    I vote we call it "Hydrogen Energy". After all, hydrogen is 2/3 of the ingredients in water!

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    1. Re:Fusion!? by R3d+M3rcury · · Score: 5, Funny

      You mean dihydrogen monoxide--pretty dangerous stuff...

    2. Re:Fusion!? by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The public needs to be shown that the word "nuclear" is not cause for panic. Better yet, not to judge technology such as NMR as being dangerous simply because of the name. But I guess it is too much to ask that they have even a basic competency in science.

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    3. Re:Fusion!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      The public needs to be shown that the word "nuclear" is not cause for panic. Better yet, not to judge technology such as NMR as being dangerous simply because of the name. But I guess it is too much to ask that they have even a basic competency in science.

      Woah there sparky!

      We can't run banks without having them come falling down around our ears and you think the public is the problem with the perception of nuclear power?

      In of itself nuclear reactions are predictable and can be made safe using correct precautions.

      This is a layer 8 problem not a science problem.

    4. Re:Fusion!? by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 4, Informative

      Which is really not all that checkered considering building hydroelectric dams have killed more people than Chernobyl did.

    5. Re:Fusion!? by wizardforce · · Score: 5, Interesting

      After all, the reasons the public gets nervous when it hears the words "nuclear" and "power" in the same sentence are related to the checkered history of commercial nuclear power generation.

      nonsense. The public is afraid because of two reactor accidents; the first one was caused in large part because the reactor in question was little more advanced than the graphite/uranium pile we used in the 40's and that the reactor's safety mechanisms and proper procedure were ignored by a quota happy communist state. The second was contained. The incident at three mile island was also caused by ignoring the safety mechanisms in the reactor *again*. You want an example of an industry with a checkered past? Try Coal for once. The number of people killed mining coal and all the mercury, uranium and thorium release not to mention that it's fraking up our atmosphere and climate with excess CO2 and you're worried about nuclear energy? Where the only problems with nuclear power involved two incidents with 30 and 40 year old reactor designs where even then didn't come close to the kill score that coal has. Not even an order of magnitude.

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    6. Re:Fusion!? by peragrin · · Score: 4, Informative

      Let's I am going to cut your break lines in your car, and rig the throttle so that it goes to full and stays there. i will then call it a test to see and call what happens an accident.

      Chernobyl had it's safety systems bypassed, and then had the reactor put into a dangerous configuration which ran out of control since the safety systems were bypassed. Fact is very few nuclear reactors use the type of reactor that this can be done with. Also Chernobyl was 4 reactors and at least until recently the 3 that were undamaged were still outputting power for the region. Not to mention that American reactors, have a secondary containment shell around them something the chernobyl reactors lacked.

      To avoid t happening again all one has to do is use an american or chinese reactor that is designed to turn the reaction off as it fails, instead of requiring a second stage to actually force the reaction to stop.

      yes there is more than one kind of nuclear reactor. Some are safer than others. Some are designed so that they only produce power under certain situations and turn themselves off when those aren't present.

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    7. Re:Fusion!? by budgenator · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Because it was a nuclear plant and it blew up?

      The point he was making is actually it's not relevant to a discussion of nuclear power plant safety in regards to accidental malfunctions because in this case many of the safety devices were specifically turned off and the triggering event was deliberately initiated to see what would happen without proper authorization; in short it didn't "blow up" it was "Blown Up".

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  2. Cheap energy is social justice by cryfreedomlove · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I really hope this works. I get more excited about science for cheap and clean energy production than I do about efforts to raise the cost of energy consumption as a means to drive conservation. Too much emphasis on conservation will lead to a world where only rich people have the freedom to consume large amounts of energy. Access to cheap and clean power must be pushed down to today's poor. This will offer lots of ways for them to overcome their systemic poverty.

    1. Re:Cheap energy is social justice by lobiusmoop · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you change 'energy' and 'power' for 'food', you have got what the green revolution achieved from the 50's or so onwards. I think this is a good model for what would happen if cheap energy became universal - consumption simply increases to match what is available and the underlying issue remains unresolved.

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    2. Re:Cheap energy is social justice by lobiusmoop · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm concerned about the idea of 'endless growth in a finite world' that cheap food and energy seem to sustain. If the world population was the same now as it was before the green revolution (2 billion or so) everything would be rosy. That is is now 6.8 billion, set for 7 billion in 2012 and utterly dependent on fossil-fuel centered food production is a worry for me.

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    3. Re:Cheap energy is social justice by TopSpin · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Your model omits some readily available data that would seem relevant. Population growth among non-immigrants of advanced, wealthy nations such as the US, Japan and parts of western Europe has plateaued at or below replacement. The "western" world has, despite an abundance or food, energy and space (in the case of North America,) tamed its population growth. This has occurred without coercive government control of breeding behavior.

      Apparently there are more factors involved in the growth curve than Malthusians such as yourself choose to allow. It is certain that our international governance is equally blind; the next global treaty on the environment that acknowledges this success and, heaven forbid, incorporates population growth into its protocol bean counting will be the first.

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    4. Re:Cheap energy is social justice by damburger · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Stop. Just stop.

      "Supply and demand" is a tenuous bit of pop economics that you can't blindly apply to any situation you feel could do with a bit of market fundamentalism applied to it. The idea that human population growth is governed by it is utter horseshit. Rich countries have more resources per capita than countries in Africa, but they have lower fertility rates. That blows your little hypothesis out of the water straight away.

      Misapplying pop economics. Ignoring real life fertility rates. Treating people of other races as if they were animals mindlessly breeding to fill an ecological niche. You've committed the three most common logical fallacies, and the three most disgusting ones, in this debate.

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    5. Re:Cheap energy is social justice by Thiez · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Right now, food and energy production around the world outstrips demand. Thus, population continues to increase.

      That is not true. The places on the world where energy and food are most abundant, such as the western countries, have populations that are no longer growing at a significant rate. If not for immigration, some of them would even be shrinking.

      While it is obvious that the availability of food and energy influences population growth (without food to feed your children the population isn't going to grow any time soon) it is not possible to explain population growth with these things alone. Many other factors are at work here, such as religion ("Every sperm is sacred"). I hear having pensions can also have a big influence on population growth, because people won't need their 10 children to take care of them when they retire.

      > The 3 major governors of biological systems seem to be raw materials, energy and space. To some degree, they're convertible. If you remove "energy" as a limiting factor, we're just going to hit a wall with one of the other two at some point.

      Maybe for most animals, but I like to think humans are able to choose and ignore their instincts to have "OVER 9000!!!1!!11!!eleven" children and use some form of anticonception. Should this be incorrect we'll just have to invent some kind of ray-gun that turns people into slashdotters. This should bring down birth rates a lot and has the added benefit of giving me a relatively low UID...

    6. Re:Cheap energy is social justice by ductonius · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People starve today not because there isn't enough food to go around, but because of politics. The world lines up cargo planes full of food aid to avert a humanitarian disaster and they idle on the tarmac while the 'leaders' of the starving people claim there isn't a problem and say the aid is unwelcome.

    7. Re:Cheap energy is social justice by damburger · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Good call. The energy price spike in 2007-2008 caused a global food crisis; modern agriculture provides food as a function of how much energy is put into each unit area of land, so there is much more at stake than whether you can have incandescent light bulbs and leave your TV on standby.

      Even if low-energy agriculture could somehow feed the world, that isn't our only problem. China and India have shrugged off imperialism, modernised their economies, and thats 2.5 billion people demanding western-level lifestyles and we don't have the political clout (nor the moral right) to say no to them. With our current energy sources, the planet simply can't handle it though.

      Produce more energy. Promote gender equality (which reduces fertility rates to sustainable levels, without Chinese-style draconian population control methods). A better world is a higher energy one.

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    8. Re:Cheap energy is social justice by martas · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Produce more energy. Promote gender equality (which reduces fertility rates to sustainable levels, without Chinese-style draconian population control methods).

      And educate, for the love of God, educate!!!

  3. Re:Fusion? by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Informative

    It's the fusion of two isotopes.. which later break apart most of the time. A very small part of the time the ecited nucleus does not break apart: B11+H1 => C12 would you call that fusion and B11+H1 => 3He4 fission?

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  4. Anonymous Coward by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I hear Fusion has moved from "Always being 10 years away" to "Always being 5 years away." Great progress!

  5. Step closer to nuclear fusion by Sam+the+Nemesis · · Score: 5, Funny

    Earth has moved one step nearer to the Sun?

  6. It always looks good at first by BlueParrot · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In fusion research it always look good when you do low-energy tests or low density etc... It is relatively easy to confine plasmas that don't "burn". A penning trap will do the job quite nicely. The problems always show up when you try to push your design to operate close to the lawson criterion, at which point many otherwise promising designs just fall short ( taking the penning trap as an example the required magnetic field for any practical confinement time exceeds that at which modern superconductors stop beeing superconducting ).

    Now I admit that I don't know the details of this particular scheme, but I can say with almost certainty that when they try to get closer to break even the higher temperatures, densities and confinement times required will turn the thing into a massive headache.

    1. Re:It always looks good at first by damburger · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Agreed. Every joker who builds a farnsworth fusor in his basement thinks he is going to be producing commercial power some time next year, and when they make a noise about this, and idiots with money buy into their promises of more for less, it can take funding from genuine research. When you are doing something that is inherently slow, costly, and prone to overruns, you've constantly got some bullshit artist nipping at your heels claiming they can do the same for less money, in less time, with big fucking bells and whistles on.

      I'm involved in a cubesat project, and we recently had to explain why we were spending 100k on a launch when some random jokers on the internet with new-age mysticism and off-the-shelf amateur rocket motors claimed to be able to do the same for 10k "some time next year".

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    2. Re:It always looks good at first by BlueParrot · · Score: 4, Informative

      It creates fusion in a microsecond pulse

      Which, just as with Inertial Confinemenet Fusion, means they just traded confinement time for Temperature and density.

      There's this neat little thing called the triple product which relates to the power output of a fusion plasma.

      n*T*tau

      n is the number density, T is the temperature and tau is the confinement time. In Tokamaks n is low and T and tau are high. In other fusion schemes tau may be low, meaning they need higher n and T to make up for it. Thus while this particular machine may not need to increase the confinement time, they will then simply have to increase either temperature or number density instead.

    3. Re:It always looks good at first by damburger · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wow. Thats one scientific quip there. Not one star in the sky is toroidal, but not one star in the sky can be kept in a building in the south of France...

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  7. Re:Fusion? by dgatwood · · Score: 4, Funny

    But wait, you're producing helium? Think about the environmental impact! Millions of adults walking around talking like chipmunks all the time! Won't someone think of the children!?!

    :-D

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  8. Re:complete strawman by Tweenk · · Score: 4, Informative

    There have not been any new nuclear plants built in this country in a long time not because of protesters, but because they are insanely and hideously expensive to build. They are for the most part not cost-effective.

    Nuclear plants are actually a viable long-term investment - there are several scheduled for construction in the US right now. The limiting factor until recently was the mind-boggling amount of red tape, but the situation has improved. There is still the ban on reprocessing and an implied moratorium on the construction of breeder reactors, but the recent changes are a promising move in the right direction.

    There are groups who argue against nuclear power for a variety of reasons, some environmental, some political, and some were formed to protest the operation of specific plants that have a track record of environmental damage.

    You are FUDding at this point. There are no such plants. They would have been shut down long ago if there was any significant release of radioactivity. If you're talking about tritium leaks - they are not even measurable in the environment, and actually highlight the ignorance of the masses ("it leaks something radioactive so it must be very dangerous" - well, except it's not, as you will be irradiated more by decaying potassium-40 in the body of a girl you're sleeping with than by most tritium leaks).

    Some of these organizations are led by or advised by nuclear physicists and engineers, who know a hell of a lot more about the technical aspects of nuclear power than 99% of the people reading this.

    There is a PhD at my university who is an expert on chemical NMR, so you could say he is a nuclear physicist to some extent, yet he keeps saying stupid things like "nuclear chemistry is dying" (in case you wonder, it's not - see positron emission tomography). The fact that you're competent in one field does not give you much credibility in other fields.

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  9. This is aneutronic. No radiation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    An important facet of LPP's research is that they are pursuing aneutronic fusion. This is truly clean nuclear energy. Explained well here. and here. Nuclear Power without Nuclear Waste: It's Closer Than You Think

    Nuclear fusion has the potential to generate power without the radioactive waste of nuclear fission, but that depends on which atoms you decide to fuse. Conventional fusion approaches work with deuterium and tritium, while focus fusion works with hydrogen and boron. When a boron-11 atom fuses with a hydrogen atom the result is three helium atoms and energy, but no radioactive waste. This is because: the fuel (boron and hydrogen) is not radioactive, the reaction product (helium) is not radioactive, and the reaction releases no neutrons (it's "aneutronic").

  10. Re:complete strawman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There have not been any new nuclear plants built in this country in a long time not because of protesters, but because they are insanely and hideously expensive to build. They are for the most part not cost-effective.

    They have become insanely and hideously expensive to build primarily because of the influence of your sign-waving hippie-hordes and mouth foaming idiotic masses. The actual cost to build a nuclear power plant would be a secondary consideration if it weren't for the likewise insane regulatory requirements, which if you ask me are slanted disproportionately at nuclear power. Ergo, the sign wavers won, and sanity lost.

    The evidence is there. A power company can dump millions of tons of slightly radioactive and toxic coal ash under a golf course (a few tons of which contains vastly more radioactive waste than the totality of materials released by all civilian power related nuclear accidents). However, if that measly amount of waste came from a nuclear facility someone would have hung, certianly metaphorically, possibly in actuality. Furthermore, worker deaths occurring at fossil plants and related activities (especially coal mining naturally) are more numerous and held under far less scrutiny. If that number of people were killed because of nuclear power, there would be a huge price to pay.

    I'm not arguing that regulation of dangerous materials is bad... But sanity should prevail. Were we able to process the wastes available and store unprocessable waste, and let investors build safe plants without having excessive governmental burden, it would prove to be a very cost effective and safe enterprise. Japan is prone to earthquakes, and there haven't been significant problems.

  11. Re:complete strawman by dissy · · Score: 4, Funny

    "it leaks something radioactive so it must be very dangerous" - well, except it's not, as you will be irradiated more by decaying potassium-40 in the body of a girl you're sleeping with than by most tritium leaks

    Those of us not sleeping with a girl take exception to that comparison.

    Could you please put that in time of CRT exposure? Or some other more comprehensible metric?

  12. Re:ah... by j1m+5n0w · · Score: 4, Informative

    If I remember correctly from seeing watching the tech talk on youtube about a year or so ago, the idea is not to produce a continuous, stable fusion reaction, but to produce an unstable reaction that lasts for only a moment. By creating reactions many times per second, substantial amounts of energy are produced. (Hopefully more than is needed to initiate the reactions in the first place.) The device is in some ways similar to a spark plug.

  13. Re:complete strawman by Falconhell · · Score: 4, Funny

    If a Ford is better car than a Chevvy, that doesnt make it a good car!

    There ya go!