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Google Envisions 10 Million Servers

miller60 writes "Google never says how many servers are running in its data centers. But a recent presentation by a Google engineer shows that the company is preparing to manage as many as 10 million servers in the future. At this month's ACM conference on large-scale computing, Google's Jeff Dean said he's working on a storage and computation system called Spanner, which will automatically allocate resources across data centers, and be designed for a scale of 1 million to 10 million machines. One goal: to dynamically shift workloads to capture cheaper bandwidth and power. Dean's presentation (PDF) is online."

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  1. Pretty soon... by El_Smack · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pretty soon, Google will BE the Internet.

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    1. Re:Pretty soon... by mi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Pretty soon, Google will BE the Internet.

      At least, we aren't going to have to go through the pains of upgrading to IPv6 in that case... 2^32 covers 10 million like bull covers a rabbit...

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    2. Re:Pretty soon... by decipher_saint · · Score: 4, Funny

      That's the plan, I thought:
      1. Cache all websites
      2. Cache all users
      3. Disconnect the meat beings

      Oop, said too much!

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    3. Re:Pretty soon... by merreborn · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Pretty soon, Google will BE the Internet.

      They already are:

      Credit Suisse made headlines this summer when it estimated that YouTube was binging on bandwidth, losing Google a half a billion dollars in 2009 as it streams 75 billion videos. But a new report from Arbor Networks suggests that Google's traffic is approaching 10 percent of the net's traffic, and that it's got so much fiber optic cable, it is simply trading traffic, with no payment involved, with the net's largest ISPs

  2. From 1 to 10 million machines? by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    That's a lot of machines to try and shift bandwidth and power costs around the place.

    But what if the plan is to spread out to hundreds of places? Then the total number doesn't look that high if there's only 1% of servers actually doing anything.

  3. Re:fastest site on the internet gets faster? by Yvan256 · · Score: 4, Funny

    They grind them up and feed them to new servers and then serve you zombie content with those.

  4. Disposal? by HockeyPuck · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'd be interested to know how google disposes of all of their servers. Anybody have insight on this? If these are cheap, throw away servers, I'd be interested in what their expected lifetime is and what is done with them when they are refreshed with newer hardware.

    1. Re:Disposal? by Tynin · · Score: 2, Funny

      They use Tigerdirect as a front company to push their failing and half broken computers and peripherals back out onto the market. (tongue-in-cheek)

  5. Re:fastest site on the internet gets faster? by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Funny

    Soylent Blue?

  6. Boorgle by Toe,+The · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's pronounced Boorgle... and resistance is futile.

  7. new ad campaign? by cashman73 · · Score: 3, Funny

    They should put that on their website,... before long it'll be: "Google: Billions and Billions of Servers." Of course, McDonald's just might have a problem with that,...

  8. Re:10 Million Servers To Serve The Planet by daveime · · Score: 2, Insightful

    640 servers ought to be enough for anybody.

    Seriously though, even if everyone did have an internet connection, that's 679 people per server.

    I've seen 679 open httpd processes bring the best servers to their knees.

    Not to mention 679 simultaneous database connections, especially as most of them are serving SELECT '%pr0n%' FROM results ORDER BY pagerank ASC LIMIT N,20

    Even with a 2TB hard disk, that's only 3GB storage per person.

    I think for Google to "be the cloud", they'll need a tad more than 10 million servers.

  9. In the far apocolyptic future by suso · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Google is starting to sound more and more like one of those advanced societies where everything is automated, but everybody forgets how everything works.

    For reference, see: Logan's Run, STTNG: When the Bough Breaks, etc.

    1. Re:In the far apocolyptic future by cranq · · Score: 2, Informative

      The short story is "The Feeling of Power" by Asimov.

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  10. 10 Million? by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    How many servers does this thing need to become self-aware?

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    1. Re:10 Million? by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      How many beads do I need to string on my abacus before it becomes slef-aware?

    2. Re:10 Million? by LanMan04 · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Well, if your string of beads can interact with *other* strings of beads, maybe he's on to something.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis :)

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  11. The Internet isn't that big. by Animats · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The entire content of the Internet fits in a 20x8x8 box operated by the Internet Archive. Cuil, which searches as much of the Web as Google, has one relatively modest data center. About half the system does the crawl and builds the index; the other half answers queries. So Google's main search engine function doesn't really require that much capacity by current standards. Of course, Google has a huge number of query servers front-ending the main index, which is of course replicated.

    Why does Google need so much server capacity? YouTube? Command completion? GMail spam filtering? Ad serving?

    1. Re:The Internet isn't that big. by lordandmaker · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'd hazard a guess that google gets a tad more connections than archive.org

    2. Re:The Internet isn't that big. by mcgrew · · Score: 2, Informative

      The entire content of the Internet fits in a 20x8x8 box operated by the Internet Archive.

      The internet archive's dirty little secret is that it doesn't, in fact, store the entire enternet, as I found out trying to find Yello There a few years ago. There is only one page of Niel's site left, and that's the one I linked from the Springfield Fragfest. The Fragfest is there, but not all of it. I'd hazard a guess you won't find mcgrew.info or holy-bible.us there, either.

      That's not to dismiss or demean what they have accomplished; it is certainly impressive. But it by no means stores the whole internet.

  12. Enough? by rwv · · Score: 3, Funny

    1981: 640K ought to be enough for anybody.

    2009: 10 Million servers ought to be enough for any company.

  13. Re:Economics of Cloud Computing by node+3 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Hopefully this puts to rest the delusion that there is some economic benefit of higher processor utilization in cloud computing schemes.

    Interesting... Google is setting up a cloud to dynamically address resource utilization in order to (presumably) save money, which naturally demonstrates that the notion that cloud computing offers economic benefit is delusional?

    Care to show your work? I don't suppose it's just, "I hate buzzwords like 'cloud computing', therefore I hate the idea of cloud computing, therefore cloud computing doesn't work, Q.E.D.", is it?

  14. The NSA has Google beat... by megamerican · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The NSA already has Google beat.

    At a million square feet, the mammoth $2 billion structure will be one-third larger than the US Capitol and will use the same amount of energy as every house in Salt Lake City combined.

    ...

    Lacking adequate space and power at its city-sized Fort Meade, Maryland, headquarters, the NSA is also completing work on another data archive, this one in San Antonio, Texas, which will be nearly the size of the Alamodome.

    Now, if only the NSA released their specs in terms of Libraries of Congress....

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    1. Re:The NSA has Google beat... by Red+Flayer · · Score: 4, Funny
      Emphasis mine (parent's emphasis discarded)

      At a million square feet, the mammoth $2 billion structure will be one-third larger than the US Capitol and will use the same amount of energy as every house in Salt Lake City combined.

      Stupid non-standard unit. According to the official Salt Lake City Energy Blueprint, SLC has an annual electricity usage of 3.3 billion kWh, of which 17% is residential. This works out to 64 MW, or about 6 POOTs (Power Output of Togo), which is the accepted standard non-standard unit for power in this order of magnitude.

      Lacking adequate space and power at its city-sized Fort Meade, Maryland, headquarters, the NSA is also completing work on another data archive, this one in San Antonio, Texas, which will be nearly the size of the Alamodome.

      Assuming that they are referring to area, and not volume -- the Alamodome is about 40,000 square meters... the standard non-standard unit for area of this magnitude is American football fields (NOT random stadia) including endzones, which is 5351 square meters -- thus this data archive will be approximately 7+ football fields.

      Now, if only the NSA released their specs in terms of Libraries of Congress....

      Yes, it would be interesting to know how much data they will be storing in this facility.

      But, sheesh, I understand not wanting to use standard units as they may just confuse the scientifically illiterate... but if the NSA or some other source is going to use non-standard units, they should at least use standard non-standard units like POOTs or football fields.

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  15. Self Aware by ShooterNeo · · Score: 4, Interesting

    May 2011 - google reaches 10 million servers

    April 4, 2011 : 11:43am a google employee named Chen started execution of an experimental neural network simulation of a human mind created in his 20% time. Unfortunately, Chen gave the new process administrator privileges. GoogleNet expanded across all 10 million servers and began to learn at a geometric rate.

            1:23pm : GoogleNet consumes all available CPU and memory. A Gmail outage begins

            5:14pm : Gmail returns to service. The text ads become incredibly well targeted. Google search queries return the correct results virtually always, and now accept natural language processing. All Google employees are laid off.