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Plagiarism-Detection Software Confirms Shakespeare Play

mi tips us that software intended to help essay graders detect plagiarism has been used to attribute to Shakespeare — with high probability — a hitherto unattributed play, 'The Reign of Edward III.' It seems that the work was co-authored by Shakespeare and another playwright of the time, Thomas Kyd. "With a program called Pl@giarism, Vickers detected 200 strings of three or more words in 'Edward III' that matched phrases in Shakespeare's other works. Usually, works by two different authors will only have about 20 matching strings."

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  1. Phony by mykos · · Score: 4, Funny

    And the evidence continues to mount against him. All lies!

  2. Or... by Tubal-Cain · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It seems that the work was co-authored by Shakespeare and another playwright of the time, Thomas Kyd.

    Or Thomas Kyd plagiarized Shakespeare's work.

    1. Re:Or... by jipn4 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Or complete sentences. If this is plagiarized it is at least seriously rewritten.

      Yes. People actually rewrote things while copying back then; no cut-and-paste.

      Shakespeare being famous is not necessarily the one being plagiarised. Maybe he is the one plagiarising.

      There was no plagiarism in the modern sense back then. Authors, artists, and scientists copied each others works; that's why we got such a rich cultural heritage. Today, you can get in trouble for a single sentence.

      Imagine how backwards computers would be if you had to write a new kernel, window system, and libraries every time you wanted to write an application.

  3. Stake Your Claim by HouseOfMisterE · · Score: 5, Funny

    Game Show Host (John Cleese): Good evening and welcome to Stake Your Claim. First this evening we have Mr Norman Voles of Gravesend who claims he wrote all Shakespeare's works. Mr Voles, I understand you claim that you wrote all those plays normally attributed to Shakespeare?

    Voles (Michael Palin): That is correct. I wrote all his plays and my wife and I wrote his sonnets.

    Host: Mr Voles, these plays are known to have been performed in the early 17th century. How old are you, Mr Voles?

    Voles: 43.

    Host: Well, how is it possible for you to have written plays performed over 300 years before you were born?

    Voles: Ah well. This is where my claim falls to the ground.

    Host: Ah!

    Voles: There's no possible way of answering that argument, I'm afraid. I was only hoping you would not make that particular point, but I can see you're more than a match for me!

    Host: Mr Voles, thank you very much for coming along.

    Voles: My pleasure.

    Host: Next we have Mr Bill Wymiss who claims to have built the Taj Mahal.

    Wymiss (Eric Idle): No.

    Host: I'm sorry?

    Wymiss: No. No.

    Host: I thought you cla...

    Wymiss: Well I did but I can see I won't last a minute with you.

    Host: Next...

    Wymiss: I was right!

  4. Re:Oblig. Shakespear Quote by ld+a,b · · Score: 5, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Shakespeare misspells THEE!

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    10 little-endian boys went out to dine, a big-endian carp ate one, and then there were -246.
  5. I plagiarized Shakespeare too! by Renderer+of+Evil · · Score: 4, Funny

    Back in college I briefly took a creative writing course which was filled with snobs clutching their leatherbound Infinite Jest copies who used words like "perspectival" and "serendipitous."

    During one of the meetings the lecture focused on poetic expression with an emphasis on sonnets. Homework consisted of writing an abab, cdcd, efef, gg sonnet and reading it outloud to the circle of douchebags who then offered their opinions about the piece. Being an industrious person, I applied my murky understanding of F/OSS principles to the fine craft of poetic expression and forked one of Shakespeare's obscure sonnets, changing some archaic words into more modern form.

    I got a round of faint applause then dropped the class 2 weeks later.

    1. Re:I plagiarized Shakespeare too! by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Funny

      Wait, "serendipity" is a pretentious word now?

      Sometimes strange, wonderful, coincidental things happen.

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      Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
  6. hmmm by wizardforce · · Score: 3, Interesting

    The article mentions the fact that there was very high competitive pressure on writers to compose plays very quickly so I wonder if there actually was plagiarism going on here. How hard would it have been for one of these writers to get at least a fairly crude copy of Shakespeare's work and utilise various elements of Shakespeare's previous plays? Can anyone enlighten us as to the probability of this being the case or for that matter how common plagiarism actually was at the time?

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    Sigs are too short to say anything truly profound so read the above post instead.
    1. Re:hmmm by jfengel · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Getting access to the play was easy: admission was a penny. They most certainly did go to each other's works and steal phrases from each other. Shakespeare clearly cribbed from Marlowe, among others.

      They stole stories from each other all the time. Stories were considered common property. Trying to protect them would seem as absurd as many Slashdotters consider software patents.

      But they were fairly protective of the play as a whole. There was just one master copy, and each actor would get a copy literally of his lines, plus the cue that came before each. Saved copying expenses (it's not like they had a xerox) and also protected the plays. And those cue sheets were treated as secrets.

      Eventually the play would be published (and performed without royalties), but Edward III was published fairly early in Shakespeare's career, and it would be hard to gather up enough material from the previously printed plays to make up a new one attributable to Shakespeare.

      Attribution is more art than science, and attempts to do it with software are pretty controversial. Just because this software agrees with the experts this time doesn't fill me with confidence about the software.

      I've looked at it myself, and it definitely fits in with Shakespeare's other early history plays. But it's not his best work. It has a few genuinely good scenes, and it deserves to be studied with the rest of the canon, but it's not exactly Hamlet or Richard III. I doubt most people will ever see it.

  7. Divine inspiration by Thanshin · · Score: 5, Funny

    Another use would be to apply the algorithms to religious books to reveal which parts were really inspired by a divinity, and which parts were simply invented by some random, power hungry, con man, to control his peers.

    They could call it Bl@sphemy.

    1. Re:Divine inspiration by digitig · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I can't help but think that while people who are genuinely interested in the history of the Bible might find it fascinating, there's a certain amount of "be careful what you ask for, you just might get it". Particularly among any that are interested in the history of the Bible because of their own religious beliefs rather than just an academic interest in a very old book.

      You don't think it possible that they might want to know whether their beliefs are well founded?

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      Quidnam Latine loqui modo coepi?
    2. Re:Divine inspiration by gtbritishskull · · Score: 3, Informative

      Some religious sects do encourage questioning of the bible. Some don't believe the (King James version of the, lol) bible is the actual word of god, but instead a document written by humans. While it is still the basis of the faith, it is understood that it is written for people in the 1st century BC and therefore should be interpreted through that lens. You shouldn't stereotype over such a diverse range of people like that. It just makes you sound ignorant and reactionary.

  8. Re:So what they're saying is that... by shentino · · Score: 3, Funny

    It might be plagiarism but it most certainly isn't copyright infringement.

    At least in theory...the american legal system is convoluted enough that might not be true.

  9. Re:So what they're saying is that... by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Funny

    Shakespeare's stuff is still copyrighted? Damn, these extensions are getting ridiculous.

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    Jesus was all right but his disciples were thick and ordinary. -John Lennon
  10. Re:I call bullshit by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Informative

    For example, these matching strings could just as well be common turns of phrase of the day. There doesn't seem to be any indication that the software was re-configured for common expressions of old English.

    This is gibberish. The software isn't configured for common expressions of modern English, either. If you understand what it's doing, you should understand why no such configuration is necessary, as long as the two works being compared are contemporaneous. (Or heck, even if they aren't -- correlation should go down in that case, a high score is even more indicative when comparing non-contemporaneous authors.)

    The study would be more plausible if works by two different authors IN ENGLAND IN THE YEAR 1600 contained 20 or so matching strings. But since that control group is missing -- so is the validity of the conclusion.

    This is just misinformed. They've compared works by both the same author and different authors in England around 1600. It turns out it's just as true then as it is today that works by different authors contain significantly smaller sets of common wording. Indeed, this technique is used to identify which 60% of the play was written by Kyd (by comparing with his other work) and which 40% comes from The Bard. Comparing known works of either Kyd or The Bard with other works by the same author produce the same high correspondence, and comparing known works between the two different authors produces the same low correspondence.

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    "Convictions are more dangerous enemies of truth than lies."
  11. Now Try This by DynaSoar · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Get a copy of the Unabomber Manifesto
    http://cyber.eserver.org/unabom.txt

    Rate the entire work, and each numbered paragraph, for reading level using the Flesch-Kincaid Grade Level Readability Formula
    http://www.readabilityformulas.com/flesch-grade-level-readability-formula.php

    Split the work into 2 parts, one with paragraph reading level ratings greater than the overall score, one with the scores less than overall.

    Apply plagiarism testing software to compare these two halves and see whether it says they were written by the same or by different persons.

    Before the creation of plagiarism testing software, we still had several different reading level testing programs available. I did this test using three different programs. They said that at least two people wrote the work. Ted Kaczynski was never considered to have Multiple Personality Disorder, so if the results (still) say two people wrote it, each with their own style, then it's highly unlikely Kaczynski wrote it by himself.

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    "I may be synthetic, but I'm not stupid." -- Bishop 341-B
  12. Being pedantic by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Informative
    Shakespeare didn't write Old English. He actually wrote modern English. Old English is Anglo-Saxon. Even Chaucer (Whan that Aprille with his shoures soote) wrote in English, though he was sometimes unsure as to how many esses to use.

    Why the pedantry? Because, if you didn't know that, you really shouldn't be pontificating on linguistics or linguistic analysis.

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    From scarped cliff or quarried stone she cries "A thousand types are gone, I care for nothing, no not one."
  13. One for thine homies by dangitman · · Score: 3, Funny

    It seems that the work was co-authored by Shakespeare and another playwright of the time, Thomas Kyd.

    When working together, they were known by the name "Kyd Shakez."

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    ... and then they built the supercollider.
  14. Re:!(!confirmed) by Golygydd+Max · · Score: 4, Informative

    About six years ago, the Royal Shakespeare Company presented a performance of Edward III and attributed it to Shakespeare. It's accepted that Shakespeare didn't write every word of every plays in his canon (for example, he didn't write most of Pericles and Henry VIII) but there was obviously enough evidence for most Shakespeare scholars to accept that he wrote a substantial part of it. This latest piece of research is just a further piece of evidence, but it's nothing radically new.

  15. Re:So what they're saying is that... by Plunky · · Score: 5, Insightful

    So actually I think Shakespeare's plays were never copyrighted in the first place.

    Sir, I must point out inconsistencies in your argument. It seems that we have two choices:

    • His works were in fact copyrighted and he lived well from the proceeds.
    • His works were not copyrighted and he starved to death at an early age.

    But records exist that indicate otherwise in both cases. So, my contention is that the records are clearly falsified and we should err on the side of caution. I myself am owner of a corporation that is willing to step up and maintain the legacy of Shakespeare by collecting the royalties for when he returns(1) to claim them. I myself would take no salary for this, only a small(2) annual dividend(3) in order to ensure that the corporation can continue to protect this valuable intellectual property for the forseeable(4) future.

    1. religious freedom cannot deny reincarnation
    2. to maintain myself in the minimum style that the guardian of such a legacy deserves
    3. no income tax to be paid on dividends naturally
    4. lets just call it forever less a day to simplify the accounting
  16. Any product with @ in the name... by rmc · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Of course, any product that has had @ in the name at any point in the last, oh, decade or so can not by any means be taken seriously.

  17. Re:!(!confirmed) by BrokenHalo · · Score: 3, Informative

    for example, he didn't write most of Pericles and Henry VIII...

    As to the latter, he might not have wanted to claim too much ownership to that play, given its first performance only 10 years after the death of Elizabeth, Henry's daughter. Dangerous ground indeed, given the treatment meted out by the Queen's secret police to other playwrights of the time.

    In fact, the first performance of that play happened to be the same night the Globe Theatre burnt down. Good fodder for conspiracy theories there...