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Light Helps Injured Mice Walk Again

Mantrid42 writes "Researchers have been able to affect the brains of lab mice using light. Working in a new field called Optogenetics (optical stimulation plus genetic engineering), scientists injected lab mice with genes that can stimulate or inhibit neural activity based on the color of the light they're exposed to, and can be targeted to infect only on certain cell types. Additionally, another gene has been added to make neurons glow green when firing, allowing two-way communication between a brain and a machine."

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  1. :O by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 5, Funny

    Does that make them..... Optical Mice?

    1. Re::O by BitZtream · · Score: 4, Funny

      Awesome.

      I was just sitting here, bored, opened a browser to take a look at slashdot to see if anything interesting had popped up since I last checked 10 minutes ago, and I see this story with only a few comments and figure, 7? Theres got to be something funny in there by now.

      And here it is. Priceless, just freaking priceless.

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    2. Re::O by Solder+Fumes · · Score: 5, Funny

      They may be optical, but if you grab one and look underneath you might still find a ball or two.

    3. Re::O by Rashdot · · Score: 3, Funny

      I guess you will find an average of one ball per mouse.

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  2. Side Effects by allknowingfrog · · Score: 2, Funny

    The operation is a real breakthrough for crippled mice everywhere, but they have to avoid kaleidoscopes for the rest of their lives...

  3. What a neat idea by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 2, Insightful

    what a neat idea this and a laser at the right wavelengths(s) could manipulate a transparent surface of connected neurons very nicely, and like multi layer dvd technology, they could probably stack the layers. never heard of anything like this before.

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    1. Re:What a neat idea by zippthorne · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you suggesting creating some kind of mouse neuron ASIC?

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    2. Re:What a neat idea by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ...and all the recent micro-fluidic lab-on-a-chip research could be the substrate that keeps the neurons alive. a Neuron Cube Computer. What is really neat is that it is the *computer* that can by reading the firing of one level, provide inputs to the next, completely controlling propagation of learning. Just thought i'd post that bit of dreaming too.

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    3. Re:What a neat idea by TheCouchPotatoFamine · · Score: 2, Interesting

      yes in a way.. here's what i'm pondering. ounce for ounce, heat generated, how does the metabolism of a group of neurons stack up against computational elements taking the same space? Could you use the self orgainzing properties of neurons grown on a lab on a chip to connect in just the right way? Neurons are "better" at finding real world thresholds then there purely mathematical counterparts; i might say, more stable to me. Probably because they employ more then one method of signaling and collecting internally; chemical, electrical, inhibiting, unhibiting, etc. many states at once. perhaps if you could mass produce these and count on their self-assembly, you *could* make enough of it to be useful

      i'm aware that computational simulation is often faster then taking a biological neuron _now_, but such a "computer" would be a wonderful platform for testing and learning about how neurons really *work* - it's like incredibly complex constraint system in programming (i mean, constraining one value to the value of something else)

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  4. Re:So... by cjfs · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is getting into some scary territory...

    It's a little disorienting at first, but after a few segfaults and cold boots you get used to it.

  5. Re:Retrofit by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Informative

    In principle, at any rate, it should be. Viruses are constantly hot-patching cells to modify their behavior, that is how they survive and multiply. A suitably modified virus could presumably be made to carry this particular payload. Not something you'd want to use prior to extensive testing(injecting viruses into someone's brain not being an obviously safe procedure); but it isn't implausible.

  6. Re:Makes sense by Dunbal · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Not to rain on the parade, but electrical activity does not correlate with "intelligence". Otherwise all epileptics would be super-gifted during their fits...

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  7. For anyone who read the article by QuantumG · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is the DNI we've been waiting for... The surgeon pops open your skull, injects some strategic locations with some gene altering viruses and installs some flashing lights. Now you can do two-way communication with a computer. What you experience depends on which cells were modified, and what program you're running. With sufficient funding for targeted research, we could see this technology in new kinds of: cochlear implants for the deaf, vision implants for the blind, artificial limb control and feeling for amputees.. and the continued improvement of those technologies will eventually lead to full sensation virtual reality immersion for anyone who can afford it. And we haven't even gotten into the gritty details of what we can learn about the brain using this technology.. reverse engineering is so much easier when you can poke as well as peek.

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    1. Re:For anyone who read the article by mkiwi · · Score: 3, Funny

      Oh *please*

      Your over-optimistic attitude completely misses something that every slashdotter knows: The machines will eventually take control of our bodies, become our overlords, and turn us into bionic batteries. Keeanu Reeves will then be forced to die in a desperate plea to save humanity... just as it should be.

      Either that or super-intelligent mice will take over the world.

      We don't have room for positive attitudes here.

  8. Re:Retrofit by reverseengineer · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually, most forms of gene therapy don't require growing cells to work. If you use a virus to carry the genes of interest into the cell, your cell will read the inserted DNA just as if it were your own. There are two routes you can go with viral vectors. You can use a retrovirus, which will actually insert genes into your permanent genome, which will cause those genes to be copied and passed on if the infected cells divide. Or you can use adenoviruses or adeno-associated viruses, which can give genes to infected cells, but those genes will not be passed on. The retroviral approach carries added risks of inserting genes in the wrong places (causing some cases of leukemia in clinical trials), and having genes pass to dividing cells is of little benefit if you want to infect the neurons of an adult brain.

    Of course, adeno-type viruses (either a weakened or non-pathogenic strain is used) are not without risk, particularly if you're planning to use them to infect your brain- meningitis seems like it'd be a real concern here. Right now, viral vector gene therapy is at the level of being an early experimental treatment for conditions like cancers and inherited immunodeficiencies- making your thoughts produce light would be a very off-label use.

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  9. reading much harder than stimulating by capideas · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I mostly love this article, but it kinda glosses over how much more difficult it is to read out information out optically than it is to stimulate neurons with light. When you stimulate neurons you just need any ole photon, doesn't matter how many times it bounced around, or where it came from.. which is good because the brain isn't so much transparent, its kinda a milky haze. However, when you want to record optically from them you have to make an image of the neurons (unless you want all the neurons signals to get mixed together) and so you care about where all the photons came from. In order to take really effective pictures in the brain you need a fancy two photon microscope, and although some people are playing around with making tiny ones that one could potentially carry around on ones head.. they aren't really going to every be practically chronic implants for anyone, for many reasons.. but first of all you need to hook them up to a large, expensive infrared laser to make it work. That's not to say all this optical reading isn't really awesome, because scientists can make use of it to learn things about brains in more constrained situations.. i just wouldn't look to it to be the missing link in brain machine interfaces anytime soon.

  10. READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE by Idiomatick · · Score: 3, Informative

    Most amazing piece I've read on science in a long time. This makes the genome projects look like stepping stones. If you read the whole thing and can't see the amazing power of this field you will hopefully be one of the early benefactors because you need it.

    1. Re:READ THE FUCKING ARTICLE by Idiomatick · · Score: 2, Informative

      You might also like an early /. article on optogenetics. It is quite amazing how new this science is. I mean look at the wikipedia article on it.

      http://science.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/10/16/2345204

      An interview on the piece above... interviewer is a bit daft but the researched speaks volumes.
      http://www.sciencefriday.com/program/archives/200910161

      The /. conversation in that topic is even more pitiful, most of them complaining about perceived faults, things that were WELL addressed in the article. Pretty embarrassing. I guess once we leave networking or coding /. can be just as bad as any other site... ok, maybe not as bad as digg or youtube.