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Mozilla Messaging Unveils Raindrop
mhammond writes "Mozilla Messaging has just unveiled a Mozilla Labs project, Raindrop, an experiment with Open Messaging on the Open Web. Raindrop uses couchdb as a storage engine and to serve the HTML/CSS/Javascript application itself, while the back-end is primarily written in Python. Although it is early days yet, the concept that you own your data may be what sets this apart from Google Wave."
Wave is a protocol. It's just the first implementation that is google's. Build your own server and you own everything.
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As in a desktop client written specifically to utilize this.
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I heard you liked Mozilla Lab Projects so I tweeted about this, so you can read about Raindrop while using Raindrop.
Written in hipster technologies. If I were a betting man, I'd wager this will never see the light of day.
Similes are like metaphors
Am I the only one who wishes they would hurry up and finish TB 3, and integrate that will all the Web 2 goodness, instead of these random projects?
The centerpiece of Wave is a server-to-server federation protocol that lets anyone control their own data that can be made accessible through Wave. So, with all the things that might set Mozilla's product apart from Wave, "the concept that you own your data" is not one of them.
I read TFA over a few times and I'm not so sure what this is or how it works. It seems to be some sort of email/twitter/facebook aggregator. Have I understood this correctly?
Looks like with the current trend of new 'universal aggregators' we'll soon need an aggregator aggregator. I think they planned for this though, with possible titles such as 'mozilla monsoon' and 'google tsunami.'
Raindrop looks interesting.
Gmail meets all my email needs right now, but I don't visit facebook often because it's annoying to load the site. I like the idea of being able to see the most important message interests me for both personal and business purposes.
Incidentally, Bryan Clark (the presenter of the first video) was the Teacher's Assistant for my Op-sys class. Always nice to see a familiar face out there working on interesting concepts.
Someone ranted to me about how great Thunderbird was, so I downloaded it and gave it a shot.
Worked great, right up until I wanted to write an email to someone and cc'd to three other people. Someone needs to be drug out into the street and shot for the user interface around composing/viewing/editing to/cc/bcc headers. *Points to Apple Mail as an example*.
For example, creating an email to one person and with three people cc'd means an endless amount of fucking around with the mouse creating new "fields" and setting them to "cc".
For example, it's impossible to open a message, select the recipients, and create a new message and paste them in.
Nevermind that options and settings are so absurdly scattered across menus and dialog boxes it's not even funny. Firefox 2 called, it wants its horrible, gaudy, 1990-esque UI back.
Please help metamoderate.
Now, this looks very interesting. It's got nothing do to with wave -- except -- it might be nice to implement wave support for Raindrop ? Before looking at the raindrop source, it's hard to tell -- but from the videos it appears Raindrop handles i/o along several protocol streams, along with a seperate ui.
Stands to reason it should be feasable to implement a wave-backend -- the question then would be if the best way to handle that was encourage widespread wave-server-federation (every couchdb/raindrop-instance it's very own wave server) -- or connect the raindrop-backend to standalone wave-server(s) (more like how email is presumably handled by raindrop).
Raindrop, an experiment with Open Messaging on the Open Web.
Shouldn't that be "OpenSoft Open Raindrop, an open experiment with open Open Messaging on the open Open Web of openness."?
P.S.: Not a critique against openness.
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It's CouchDB. It's that thing that tries to suck all the contacts and personal information off your computer if you're running Ubuntu, and store it with Canonical. It must be evil; at least Google doesn't up and install Google Desktop on my computer when I upgrade Firefox, without loudly asking (hey here's checkboxes. We want to install Google Desktop, since you're updating Google Earth.), and then immediately start transferring copies of my non-gmail e-mail conversations and my address book and Firefox bookmarks to Google.
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Although it is early days yet, the concept that you own your data may be what sets this apart from Google Wave.
Whoever wrote that part is either dumber than a bag of hammers or is purposely attempting to confuse and mislead people with misinformation. Wave is a protocol, not an application. One of the purposes of Wave is to provide a reference implementation (what everyone has been testing) such that others are free to either run the reference implementation, some variation thereof, or create their own server (via publicly available documentation) such that they can run their own servers and maintain ALL DATA INTERNALLY. Even the video purposely makes it clear you can run as many Wave servers as you like and NEVER HAVE YOUR DATA EXPOSED OUTSIDE OF YOUR OWN COMPANY.
The Wave protocol is built from the ground up such that everyone is free to own as much or as little of their data as they desire. Period. Anyone who says otherwise is full of bullshit.