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Cyberterror Not Yet a Credible Threat, Says Policy Thinktank

Trailrunner7 writes "A new report by a Washington policy think tank dismisses out of hand the idea that terrorist groups are currently launching cyber attacks and says that the recent attacks against US and South Korean networks were not damaging enough to be considered serious incidents. The report, written by James Lewis of the Center for Strategic and International Studies, looks at cyberwar through the prism of the Korean attacks, and calls the idea that terrorists have attack capabilities and just aren't using them 'nonsensical.' 'A very rough estimate would say that there is a lag of three and eight years between the capabilities developed by advanced intelligence agencies and the capabilities available for purchase or rental in the cybercrime black market. The evidence for this is partial and anecdotal, but the trend has been consistent for more two decades,' Lewis writes."

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  1. Re:bring back the pr0n! by sopssa · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Well I think this whole "cyberterror" idea is pretty funny. I even remember that back in 2000 in school we had to write about some article where they described "cyber attacks from China goverment". Has anyone actually proven that China as a goverment is doing those? It still seems like a myth. Considering world is filled with script kiddies, and China+India together have half of the population on Earth, it's not surprising that many percentage of them could be from there.

    Another thing is that it's quite hard to launch such a catastrophic, large-scale attack against the internet. Yeah, you can cause some minor annoyance or accidentally route traffic elsewhere like what happened with YouTube for ~30 mins a few years ago, but those are quickly fixed when upstream ISP's responsible notice.

    Also isn't terror's one meaning to cause, well, terror? What are you going to on the internet, put a scary picture on google.com (if you even could hack it - I bet there have been many that have tried)? It just doesn't sum up.

  2. Re:"not yet credible" by siddesu · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I am not worried about some scary foreign governments.

    I am worried by something I really suffer from -- a permanent attack going on 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, 365 days in a normal year, 366 in a leap year, indistinguishable in nature from this "cyber-terror" scare talk, except it is real and harmful.

    For no other recourse, I participate in a complex voluntary international network, and employ significant resources internally to mitigate this cyber attack. And all I can do is keep some part of it away, barely. Sometimes I suffer from the complexities of this very same mitigation system, when my services are denied by mistake.

    And the governments, who btw also suffer from it, just keep tolerating it.

    What I am talking about is called spam, and with the government of the largest spamming country being a bit more pro-active, it would decrease significantly. But the government does nothing, spending money on bullshit, instead of focusing on real problems.

    My guess is, solving real problems is hard, and because of that less money are left for graft, so the interest of the politicians in solving them is significantly lower.

  3. Re:bring back the pr0n! by MichaelSmith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A guy I work with likes to point out that we always protect against the last terrorist attack, not the next one. You have listed a bunch of things which probably won't work and are not a concern. We should try to think about the things which we are outside our idea of the scope of terrorist operations. Prior to 911 we didn't consider suicide hijackings to be a threat.

  4. Re:bring back the pr0n! by sopssa · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But if we consider that usually terrorism tries to get some point across (with inhuman ways) and get people to hear them, causing disturbance for the Internet would be quite stupid, as it's actually the first worldwide medium to get your word across without goverment control like with radio and tv. Terrorism doesn't do terror just for the fun of it, but there's always some reasoning behind it - sometimes rational, sometimes more irrational. However script kiddies do it just for the fun of it, to gain that small time period of fame for randomly hacking something.

  5. Depends on the definition. by Hurricane78 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    To me, all that fearmongering of "terrorists" (that don't exist) is creating terror itself. So all the censorship and surveillance on the net would be the actual "cyberterror". If there were a point in adding "cyber-" in front of everything. It's just plain terrorizing the people. For the usual reasons: To gain control over them.

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  6. Re:bring back the pr0n! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Having worked for three letter agencies, let me say that yes, China is engaged in this activity. Certainly the Russians, French, US, British, and any other country with a foreign intelligence service. In China's case, it's very hard to officially link it to the government because the PLA owns so many companies in the country they can have one of those entities engage in the action with plausible deniability.

    As far as it not being a "real" threat, I'd ask the Estonians what they think about that....

  7. Re:Of course they would say that by SilverHatHacker · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or, in the words of Captain Jack Sparrow, "When you've only got one shot, it's best to wait for the opportune moment." If I were going to take down a government network, I would wait until my country was poised to take advantage of the confusion and disorder (either by military means or otherwise), not just launch it whenever I felt like it.
    Keep in mind that terrorist is a buzzword now, and means 'generic enemy' rather than 'psychological warrior'. Just like 'Commie' during the Cold War, or 'Nazi' during WWII.

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  8. Cyberterrorism is a silly concept by darthwader · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Terrorism" requires terror, not inconvenience or annoyance.

    A few years back, we had an accidental shutdown of the power supply of most of the eastern North America. It was very inconvenient, and it cost a huge amount of money, and it even resulted in the loss of some lives. But it wasn't terrifying. It was just annoying.

    It's not about the amount of damage, it's about the effect. A cyberterror event like a power or communications failure could result in hundreds of deaths, but there's nothing to focus on. A car exploding next to a bistro may only kill two or three people, but it is far more effective terrorism.

    For terrorism to be effective, it has to produce terror. That's an emotional reaction, not an intellectual one. And to get that emotional reaction, there has to be real tangible threats, like flames, blood and gore, falling rocks, etc.

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  9. Re:bring back the pr0n! by uuddlrlrab · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I think you're hitting the nail on the head with your post. Bothering Google, or various other sites, even if it's for a day or two, would likely cause nothing more than a lot of annoyed muttering and sighs. However, there are still some things to consider.
    As you say, the main goal of terror groups will be to intimidate and cause widespread panic and lasting fear. Now, how that's done depends largely on the environment. If we're talking domestically, e.g. in the US, and I'm going to assume we are, the greatest threats online IMHO are things like identity theft, financial fraud (they're always looking to fund their activities), target profiling, and causing temporary disruptions of service (power, emergency services, telecom, transportation, etc) just before an attack. Those are all places where vulnerabilities are definitely present, and where we could and should definitely make changes for the better. Such a glib assessment that there is no threat smacks of the same arrogance/ignorance that led a certain ship to be called "unsinkable."

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