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Neanderthals "Had Sex" With Modern Man

According to Professor Svante Paabo, director of genetics at the Max Planck Institute for Evolutionary Anthropology, Neanderthals and modern humans had sex across the species barrier. The professor has been using DNA retrieved from fossils to piece together the entire Neanderthal genome, and plans on publishing his findings soon. He recently told a conference that he was sure the two species had had sex, but still had questions as to how "productive" the relations had been. "What I'm really interested in is, did we have children back then and did those children contribute to our variation today?" he said. "I'm sure that they had sex, but did it give offspring that contributed to us? We will be able to answer quite rigorously with the new [Neanderthal genome] sequence." What remains a mystery is what Paleolithic brewery provided the catalyst for these stone age hook-ups.

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  1. humans by flynt · · Score: 5, Funny

    Humans... so easy, a caveman can do them.

    1. Re:humans by joaommp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Humans will have sex with pretty much everything they can...

      (if you don't trust me, think of this: if you can think it, someone has made porn about it, just check the tubes).

    2. Re:humans by GoochOwnsYou · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Neanderthals primary were in Europe and the middle east. The 2 likley canditates of current ethnicicities with possible Neanderthal DNA would be Arabs and Caucasians.

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    3. Re:humans by kurt555gs · · Score: 4, Funny

      Neanderthal porn has to be better than so really weird Asian pron I have ...... heard of.

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    4. Re:humans by SanityInAnarchy · · Score: 4, Funny

      Damn... now you've given them ideas... (shudder) Neanderthal porn!

      I believe that's Rule 35: if it doesn't exist on the internet, it must be created.

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    5. Re:humans by lwsimon · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I suspect I do, based on my facial bone structure. I'm about 3/4 Germanic and 1/4 Scot. I have a very heavy brow, and my eyes are quite deep-set. I also have quite a bit more body hair than my friends, who are generally of English an Native American ancestry.

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    6. Re:humans by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'll just leave this right here to get the ball rolling:
      http://motivateurself.files.wordpress.com/2008/05/rule34-3.jpg

    7. Re:humans by tuxgeek · · Score: 4, Funny

      Everyone keeps talking like neanderthals are an extinct sub-human species.
      Please stop that right now, they are still here. They have just assimilated into our society.
      Go onto any construction site, and you can see them plain as day.
      Many have even gotten jobs in civil service. The US Congress is full of them.

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    8. Re:humans by donscarletti · · Score: 4, Insightful

      you're also a racist fuck and I wish there were less of this shit on slashdot

      Why is he racist? Genes are genes, ethnic groups have different genes to other ethnic groups, that's what makes them look different. It doesn't make them any intrinsically better or worse at being a "person" in the modern understanding any more than a Labrador is an intrinsically better or worse pet than a golden retriever.

      If any ethnic group had Neanderthal DNA in its genepool, based on geographic range and skull shape chances are it is Caucasian people, my own race. If this is true, what difference does it make? We've done fairly well for ourselves I think, we're as human as anyone else. I don't really know many other Caucasian people where I live, but I don't feel like I'm grazing with a heard of some other species and I don't think they consider me to be a domesticated Neanderthal pet (at least I hope not).

      Sometimes racial studies are done for the purposes of proving a master race. But usually, it's just because different people have different physiologies and have different common ailments, different recommended lifestyle and diet. If something as superficially obvious as race can tell a doctor what that person is likely to be allergic to and whether that person is likely to have diabetes, it is useful to know.

      However, to me, those "Race and IQ" studies that seem to keep popping up on marginal websites and drawing the bulk of the attention, although not necessarily false, serve little other purpose than to piss people off. Even if they are true, I can see very little practical application, to me they just serve to aggravate the "PC" crowd, but sadly catch the individuals of the races at the bottom of the list (who may themselves be quite smart) in the crossfire.

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  2. Of course they did by turing_m · · Score: 5, Funny

    Developers, developers, developers...

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  3. Neanderthals "Had Sex" With Modern Man.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...and later went on to form the first government - which has been screwing modern man ever since.

  4. Scientific? by Dan+East · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "I'm sure that they had sex"

    What evidence? The article says:

    "We will be able to answer quite rigorously with the new [Neanderthal genome] sequence."

    "Due to the length of time that has elapsed since Neanderthals became extinct, any trace of their DNA in modern humans could have been diluted below detectable levels. Paabo hopes to overcome this by scanning the Neanderthal genome for the genes of modern humans."

    Okay, he hopes he will be able to overcome this technical limitation. So in other words, the statement that they had sex is just his personal opinion?

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    1. Re:Scientific? by icebike · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Diluted below detectable levels

      I too was sort of shocked to read that quote.

      Genetics doesn't exactly operate like Homeopathy.

      He should have known that mitochondrial DNA doesn't dilute in the normal sense. Its been used to trace most human ancestors to a couple places in Africa, almost to a couple of individual females.

      I have to wonder just what his basis was, other than sheer speculation. Given the state of civilization (or the lack thereof) at the time, one would not be surprised to see conflict and in conflict taking of prisoners.

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    2. Re:Scientific? by interkin3tic · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "I'm sure that they had sex"

      What evidence? The article says:

      "We will be able to answer quite rigorously with the new [Neanderthal genome] sequence."

      He's -sure- of his hypothesis. You think scientists don't become convinced of our own hypotheses before we have actual evidence? We do. I've been quite convinced of my own hypotheses and even occasionally ignored evidence that suggests I'm wrong, much to my later regret. I'm sure every scientist, and probably everyone else as well, has committed similar sins at some point.

    3. Re:Scientific? by bennomatic · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'm sure every scientist, and probably everyone else as well, has committed similar sins at some point.

      What evidence do you have to support that statement?

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    4. Re:Scientific? by rcamans · · Score: 5, Informative

      Actually science does not have any test that will indicate that two critters will or will not breed successfully, within the same genus. There have been successful matings between South American and other cats, for example. SA cats have 36 chromosomes, other cats all have 38. but mating does produce kittens, although most are sterile (with 37 chromosomes). So fairly large variations in chromosomes does not bar breeding. So if Humans and Neanderthals turn out to be the same genus and just different species, then they could conceivably have breed. In reality, the successful breeding is the only current test which exists which says two critters are of the same genus. It used to be that the definition of species was that two different species could not interbreed, but that is not true.

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  5. Beer! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Helping ugly people have sex since 30,000 BCE!!!

  6. This is important by Raindance · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The issue of introgression (gene flow from neanderthals to modern humans) is hugely important. It's a lot more important than the curiosity or oddity the Times article makes it out to be.

    All the published studies looking for this introgression have been based on neanderthal mDNA. Since it doesn't undergo recombination, it's not a good marker, and the negative results so far are predictable and do not preclude gene flow. It'll be interesting to see Paabo's results. He's been working on getting nDNA data from neanderthal remains for a while now, and perhaps this is a hint that he's found some introgression.

    Why it's important:

    The small picture of why it's important is it would substantially redefine our family tree. We could refine our primate phylogeny.

    The bigger, more hazy, and potentially earthshaking picture of why this could be important is that it doesn't take many viable pairings to get genes from one gene pool to another, and these genes could have been very important to our development. Modern humans and neanderthals were under many of the same environmental stresses but likely developed different adaptions to them. This includes behavior and cognition genes. As Stringer points out in the article, "in the last 10,000-15,000 years before they died out, around 30,000 years ago, Neanderthals were giving their dead complex burials and making tools and jewellery, such as pierced beads, like modern humans.” Proto-modern humans were smart. But neanderthals were also smart, potentially in different and complimentary ways. And perhaps it took a combination of proto-modern human and neanderthal genes to truly make the modern human mind. Our brains could be an example of 'hybrid vigor' on a grand scale.

    So the big question mark is whether, given we can determine gene flow, if this hypothetical combination of proto-modern human and neanderthal cognitive adaptions could have led to the cultural explosion of ~30-50 thousand years ago. The biology is plausible and the timing's right. The data's still out, but it's coming in. Odder hypotheses have come true.

    1. Re:This is important by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

      Uh, no... that was the alien women's motivation in fucking him. Why else would any of them engage in such an unpleasant task?

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    2. Re:This is important by JustOK · · Score: 5, Funny

      So they could be on TV

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  7. Jurassic Park redux by One_Minute_Too_Late · · Score: 5, Interesting

    All we need to do now is to take that DNA, splice it back together with human 'junk' DNA and breed Neanderthals for the next great Disney theme park! Instead of being entertained by people walking around in giant suits pretending to be cartoon characters, it could be the greatest edutainment center in the world!!

    But seriously. People have sex across interspecies barriers all the time; animal, vegetable, mineral, it doesn't matter. I doubt that Homo sapiens and Neanderthals looked at each other and said, Hey, I can't have sex with you, you're obviously a different species! Probably they thought to themselves, Two arms, two legs, looks about right, the bits are in the right places, why not?

  8. New slashdot poll by Locke2005 · · Score: 4, Funny

    How many people looked at the neanderthal photo attached to this article and thought to themselves, "Yeah, I'd hit that!"?

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  9. Cave paintings or it didn't happen. by karlwilson · · Score: 5, Funny

    Cave paintings or it didn't happen.