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Trojan Kill Switches In Military Technology

Nrbelex writes "The New York Times reports in this week's Science section that hardware and software trojan kill switches in military devices are an increasing concern, and may have already been used. 'A 2007 Israeli Air Force attack on a suspected, partly-constructed Syrian nuclear reactor led to speculation about why the Syrian air defense system did not respond to the Israeli aircraft. Accounts of the event initially indicated that sophisticated jamming technology was used to blind the radars. Last December, however, a report in an American technical publication, IEEE Spectrum, cited a European industry source in raising the possibility that the Israelis might have used a built-in kill switch to shut down the radars. Separately, an American semiconductor industry executive said in an interview that he had direct knowledge of the operation and that the technology for disabling the radars was supplied by Americans to the Israeli electronic intelligence agency, Unit 8200.'"

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  1. Open Source by toppavak · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Its a good thing the DoD is taking a stronger, more positive stance towards open source software. I guess the next logical step would be open source hardware.

    1. Re:Open Source by wjousts · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yeah, great idea. Let's have everybody know the inner workings of our military hardware so that they can build their own.

    2. Re:Open Source by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Informative

      4chan is not your personal army...

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    3. Re:Open Source by GargamelSpaceman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I wonder if people from 2050 er 2060 where did the decade go? from 50 years in the future came back in time to now and dropped their latest microchip, if it would even be useful? Sure, they have picometer circuits, but so what? We still don't know how to make them.

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    4. Re:Open Source by peragrin · · Score: 3, Funny

      Army no! An already organized unruly mob of idiots.

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    5. Re:Open Source by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Oh jeebus. Building a missile, bomb or anything that kills people is NOT HARD. I can get the relevant documents needed for anyone with a mild training in electronics to build a guidance system for a missile or a homing system for a rocket.

      If you think there is something magical and wondrous in military hardware that makes it "special" you are watching way too much TV.

      Hell I have made ground launched model rockets that would home in on a ground target, and I did not use GPS to get within a 50 foot radius from a 1500 foot apogee point. This was with very basic electronics and almost no processing power plus parts from a hobby shop for helicopter and RC plane flying.

      I only needed 1-29/240 size engine to lift that payload. This was back in college for my EE degree, with todays stuff I could make the accuracy far better and use off the shelf GPS for long range AND would not need to lift as much as servos are smaller and lighter and the avaionics payload would be far lighter.

      Note: you can even buy UAV kits today.

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    6. Re:Open Source by captaindomon · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Ok, I admit watching Iron Man gives you some false impressions. But I am also well acquainted with folks who work every day on the tech side of the defense industry. To take modern weapons systems and try to even think of equating them with your little toy rocket is ignorant at best, and flamebait at worst. That's like saying it's easy to put a man on the moon because you have a scuba diving suit, and a spacesuit is the same thing with a fishtank over your head. Or a CS undergrad saying they can write an OS from scratch because they have played around with assembly a bit. What you think is exactly what many warlords think, and build their own little toy rockets that they have to point at an enemy, until they are wiped out by some of our niftier stuff without even seeing it coming. Give some respect where it is due, please. /end rant/

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    7. Re:Open Source by tibman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I'm sure the EE guys who built the Syrian's air defense system thought the same way as you. "I'll use all this great off-the-shelf tech, it's just so easy". Ohhh, it had a backdoor in the hardware... damn.

      I do get what you're saying, but i think it applies differently to platforms of war. When your opponent owns the companies that built half the parts for your weapon systems... can you really trust them?

      I have no doubt you could build some nifty weapons to seige a neighbor with but not a local government. The bomb techs would have analyzed the debris and come up with a short list for an investigator to pin down.

      One of my fav military techs is round return radar... even though it is simple and old. There's nothing like hearing outgoing fire before the first incoming round hits!

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    8. Re:Open Source by Cyberax · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, toy rockets won't be reliable. Yes, they'll often fail. Yes, it's hard to scale the production.

      But they're more than enough for one-off operations like assassinations or terror acts.

    9. Re:Open Source by JohnFen · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's not hypocrisy, it's power differential.

      The government wields an enormous amount of power over us, and as such should expect a greater amount of scrutiny (as in less privacy) than us. This isn't hypocritical because the same rule applies to everyone. If you are given power over others, you sacrifice privacy through security screenings, etc.

      Also, the government is an artificial organization that we, the people, make up. It has no inherent, natural, moral, or ethical rights -- only those that we collectively grant it.

      We, as people, are a different animal altogether. We do have inherent, natural rights simply by virtue of our existence.

    10. Re:Open Source by 2obvious4u · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I think you missed the point. Yes military grade guidance systems that are accurate to with 1 meter and travel 500 miles are very advanced and a hobbyist couldn't build that from hobby store parts. However, if your goal is to indiscriminatingly kill people it is very easy to do with off the shelf components, if you are so inclined.

      Another thing you are forgetting is that we built atomic bombs with minimal computing power. The first computers had trouble doing ballistic tables. Now you could make ballistics tables as an iPhone app. The level of information processing available to the public is staggering. There really isn't much that an individual so inclined couldn't produce.

    11. Re:Open Source by kent_eh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Ummm. I think you guys are trying to make slightly different points.

      The parent was (I think) trying to refute the "you need secret stuff to build a machine that kills people" type claim.
      Which in no way contradicts your experience based statement, which I interpret as: "you really do need lots of advanced hi-tech to build an accurate, advanced, effective killing machine"

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    12. Re:Open Source by mpe · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Building a missile, bomb or anything that kills people is NOT HARD. I can get the relevant documents needed for anyone with a mild training in electronics to build a guidance system for a missile or a homing system for a rocket.

      However building a missile which destroys an invading warplane is rather harder. If you are in Syria, Lebanon, Iran (or quite a few other places) then this is the kind of missile you are likely to need.
      The claim here is that the attackers were somehow able to disable the SAMs which would otherwise have made their attack considerably more risky.

    13. Re:Open Source by Bakkster · · Score: 2, Insightful

      However, if your goal is to indiscriminatingly kill people it is very easy to do with off the shelf components, if you are so inclined.

      In general, only non-state actors want to kill people indiscriminately. Nations (Syria included) have to worry about their own people, diplomacy, UN resolutions, etc. If you're a terrorist organization, simple technology can fulfil your requirements. An IED is effective for an insurgency, but not for full-scale war.

      However, on the nation-nation level, it would be incredibly difficult, if not impossible, to carry out long-range warfare without comparable technology to your opponent. This stuff doesn't come easy. Sure, a simple radar can be built by anybody, but it won't do you any good against a stealth fighter with an advanced electronic warfare suite. To be effective, your technology must not be easily countered, and hobbyist stuff doesn't fit the bill if you need to perform anything more complex than just exploding.

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    14. Re:Open Source by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 2, Informative

      Except in that case, 'they' isn't 4chan leadership like moot, it's just Anonymous #1 saying to Anonymous #2, hey, let's go do this, and then a fuckton of people sign on to it. 'Project Chanology' was something of a fluke, insofar as it accomplished something approaching 'useful', but most chanraids are just immature griefer mobs that do things like close the pool at Habbo Hotel.

      4chan has provided a means by which people can organize themselves with little fear of social retribution, but 4chan itself is NOT an organizing force.

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    15. Re:Open Source by ultranova · · Score: 2, Informative

      But I am also well acquainted with folks who work every day on the tech side of the defense industry.

      You mean those people who have NDAs and will likely get charged with treason if they tell you anything of what they actually do? Or the people who have no NDAs because they do nothing of importance?

      Oh well, never mind, I'm sure either of these would make for an extremely reliable source of information.

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    16. Re:Open Source by TubeSteak · · Score: 2, Informative

      Which in no way contradicts your experience based statement, which I interpret as: "you really do need lots of advanced hi-tech to build an accurate, advanced, effective killing machine"

      http://www.aardvark.co.nz/pjet/cruise.shtml
      http://www.interestingprojects.com/cruisemissile/

      This is years old and I have no idea how his story ended.
      Last I read, the New Zealand version of the IRS had dropped on his head like a ton of bricks...
      But since he's updated his site this year, I guess he's 'back'.

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    17. Re:Open Source by CharlyFoxtrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh, yes -- most chanraids are exactly that, because there's no real impetus to organize on a large scale. But Chanology showed that if you give a bunch of randomly disorganized people sufficient motivation they will efficiently organize just the way you say, without a centralized organizing force.

      Just because there's no command authority pointing everyone in the same direction doesn't mean that there's no organization. There was in fact an elaborate system of forums and subforums and IRC channels and wiki pages keeping things organized during the whole thing.

      Anarchy in action. Organization without hierarchy, just informal committees created to perform a specific task and disbanded afterwards.

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    18. Re:Open Source by gd2shoe · · Score: 2, Interesting

      a) If we knew "the inner workings" of said chips, it would give us a substantial boost. We'd no longer be wondering how something could work, only how to make it. We'd probably also be able to infer some of the decisions that eventually led to that design.

      b) You should consider embracing your parenthetical statements with parenthesis:

      I wonder if people from 2050 er 2060 where did the decade go? from 50 years in the future...

      Becomes something like:

      I wonder if people from 2050-- er 2060 (where did the decade go?)-- from 50 years in the future...

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  2. Syria, you morons by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That's what you get for not building the hardware yourself. We on the other hand have been intelligent enough not to outsource our industries to foreign countr... Doh.

  3. It's not very sophisticated after all by paiute · · Score: 4, Funny

    (ring)
    Hello. Syrian Air Defence.
    Hello, Mr. Air Defence. My name is Raji - I mean Bob - from technical support. I have a service request you made on your Acme 2001 Target Tracking Module.
    What? We are not having problem with that -
    Now, now. I have to clear this ticket, Mr. Air Defence. You wouldn't want me to get into trouble, would you?
    Well, no, I guess not.
    Ah. Good then. Please reboot your system and we can get started solving your problem.

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    1. Re:It's not very sophisticated after all by icebrain · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Were I to guess, I'd think that the backdoor routine or whatever would be tucked inside the signal-processing unit of the radar. When the radar picked up specific signals from, say, a jamming aircraft, the backdoor would kick in and shut the radar down.

      Alternatively, there might not have been a back door so much as an unknown-to-the-Syrians bug that the Israelis knew about and exploited... hit the radar with a precise return signal that triggered a buffer overflow or something like that, maybe.

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    2. Re:It's not very sophisticated after all by jbeaupre · · Score: 4, Interesting

      The kill switch signal could be on the same frequency as the radar, thus shunted straight into the control circuity. No need for a separate antenna or circuit. The kill switch is just hidden on some IC that also processes the radar signal itself. The right kill signal comes in, the IC shuts down. If the radar has IFF capability, even better. Second signal to monkey with, and even easier to spoof.

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    3. Re:It's not very sophisticated after all by makuabob · · Score: 2, Informative

      Need to mod jbeaupre up one more point; he is not just "interesting," he's right! I worked some years w/ military trainers where 'tactics' were practiced,... and practiced,... and practiced,... The 'kill' switch would very likely have been in the IFF coding. The RADAR hits the plane with an IFF "interrogate" code and the plane squawks back, "These 'droids aren't the 'droids you're looking for." The RADAR agrees and goes to sleep, never to awaken!

  4. Lesson learned? by miffo.swe · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Dont buy important technology from foreign countries, do it yourself. Especially if you ever under any way, shape or form could cross paths with said foreign country.

    I think this should be a really big wakeup call to european countries that relies 100% on american tech, both on hardware and software.

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    1. Re:Lesson learned? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Lesson learned? You must be joking.

      The military/corporate complex won't be happy until EVERYTHING is made overseas. It's better for their short-term budgets, you see. They know they would be first against the wall if there was ever any real problems here so why care if we're caught with our pants down militarily later on.

    2. Re:Lesson learned? by OzPeter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Dont buy important technology from foreign countries, do it yourself. Especially if you ever under any way, shape or form could cross paths with said foreign country.

      And in TFA they say that only 20% of chips are manufactured in the US - so that makes it kinda hard not to buy goods from foreign countries.

      However what you are suggesting is that 100% of goods used by the US military should be made in the US - and that might be a good reason in itself as that would certainly stimulate the US economy

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    3. Re:Lesson learned? by EvilBudMan · · Score: 3, Insightful

      --They know they would be first against the wall--

      No they don't know that or they wouldn't be doing this in the first place. I agree with your other assessments of short term thinking but they think they will get away with it and we will be left holding the bag. How many Nazi war criminals got away percentage wise? Few? Half? Most all of them?

    4. Re:Lesson learned? by Trent+Hawkins · · Score: 3, Funny

      Dont buy important technology from foreign countries, do it yourself. Especially if you ever under any way, shape or form could cross paths with said foreign country. I think this should be a really big wakeup call to european countries that relies 100% on american tech, both on hardware and software.

      Why? Is America planning to invade France?

    5. Re:Lesson learned? by Hal_Porter · · Score: 2, Informative

      That's assuming you can do it yourself. Syria is hardly a hotbed of industry and innovation, and most of the Middle East is even worse. E.g. when Libya gave up their "nuclear and biological weapons program", which had been reasonably well funded and resourced over several decades had lead to only one viable weapon, a landmine spiked with human faeces.

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2003/dec/21/politics.libya

      Libya's biological weapons programme too has suffered from similar mismanagement and lack of funds, say sources; at best succeeding in producing munitions boobytrapped with human faeces that can be fatal if it enters the blood stream.

      So it's not too surprising these sorts of countries decided to buy stuff from the USSR instead. Unfortunately for them the Russians had a cunning plan with weapons. Soviet weapons systems actually came in two variants - a high end one to be made in peace time and a stripped down one to be made in a war quickly and in larger quantities. The export customers got the stripped down version, known as the 'monkey model'.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monkey_model

      The term was popularized in the West by Viktor Suvorov, in Inside the Soviet Army. Suvorov states that the simplified monkey model was designed for massive production in wartime, to replace front-line stocks if a war should last for several weeks. In peacetime, Soviet industry gained experience building both standard and monkey-model variants, the latter being for sale "to the 'brothers' and 'friends' of the USSR as the very latest equipment available." He also cites the benefit of disinformation when an exported monkey model fell into the hands of Western intelligence, who "naturally gained a completely false impression of the true combat capabilities of the BMP-1 and of Soviet tanks".

      I.e. the monkey model looked the same or similar to the domestic version but was cheaper to make and had far inferior capabilities.

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    6. Re:Lesson learned? by conureman · · Score: 2, Funny

      Really, I don't think the Terrans are prepared for a war with the Sirians right now. They out number us all to hell, and our economy's kind of creaky already. Try diplomacy instead. And low budget secret agent stuff during the delay.

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  5. Outsourcing by whisper_jeff · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You get what you deserve when you outsource...

    Seriously, I understand the cost benefits of going with the lowest quote and all but sometimes it's best to keep things "in house" to ensure quality and accountability. And that applies to companies all the way up to governments. In this case, when dealing with national defense, it especially applies to governments...

    1. Re:Outsourcing by gad_zuki! · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Where do you expect countries run by dictators (Syria has been under martial law since 1963 and more or less a client state for Iran) that have shit for university, shit for engineering, and oppression as the norm to get advanced anti-missile systems? They cant design their own. They would be starting with 1950s tech at best.

      They knew they were taking a chance with foreign made equipment, but, they really dont have a choice.

      Also, its worth noting that there may not have been an intentional backdoor/killswitch, this could have been a hack known to the US and others but not to Syria:

      http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2007/10/how-israel-spoo/

  6. Re:Thatcher and Argentina by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 3, Funny

    Thatcher probably just killed them with an especially icy stare...

  7. Don't buy weapons from your enemies? by Seth+Kriticos · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Seriously, if you are going to wage war, it is a very bad idea to buy non trivial weapons systems from your enemy or his allies. Actually it's a bad idea to buy it from anyone that is not 100% on your side. Best would be to build it yourself.

    Those amateur war mongering folks down there. Still don't think that anyone is learning out of it, I mean, where are the chips for NATO equipment come from? Oh yea, who manufactures them cheapest. How does this make sense in the context?

  8. Syrians have U.S. military hardware ? by ivan_w · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Does that mean that the U.S. provided *Syria* with sensitive military hardware (ok.. with built-in kill switches) ?

    If they didn't then it's not a kill switch and the U.S. simply provided their Israeli allies with electronic warfare technologies.

    It was my understanding that syrian military hardware was russian based anyway..

    So I'm not sure I understand the whole thing..

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    1. Re:Syrians have U.S. military hardware ? by confused+one · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Sure, it's possible the Syrians have US hardware. We sell to Country x. Country x ships to Country y. Country y sells to Syria. It happens. Sometimes, that works against the U.S. and its allies. Sometime... it works for the U.S. and its allies

    2. Re:Syrians have U.S. military hardware ? by ElectricTurtle · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Maybe some of the US hardware from Iran during the Shah era has flowed to Syria? That's the thing with military hardware, once you sell it to somebody, there's very little you can do to keep them from passing it to somebody else. In that context, kill switches are genius (assuming the 'enemy' doesn't hack your Gibson).

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  9. This happens quite often in many devices by ctrl-alt-canc · · Score: 5, Funny

    My PC for sure has a kill switch somewhere. Now and then an odd blue screen with a funny message appears on the screen. I wonder who is operating the switch and why...

  10. Re:Thatcher and Argentina by HawkinsD · · Score: 4, Informative

    Perhaps you're referring to the French-made Exocet missiles, launched from the Argentine Super Etendard planes? The 20 dead sailors on HMS Sheffield, sunk by an Exocet, would disagree.

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  11. Re:Thatcher and Argentina by Xiph · · Score: 2, Informative

    Are you referring to the french made Exocet missiles that sank the type 42 destroyer HMS Sheffield causing 44 casaulties, whereof 20 were fatal?

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  12. Re:Thatcher and Argentina by RegularFry · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Given that the Argentinians didn't actually have any launchers for the Exocets in the first place, it's a bloody miracle any got launched at all. There's no mention of a kill switch anywhere that I can find, and given that they launched all four they had, and all but one are accounted for, the kill switch story sounds unlikely.

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  13. Riiight by Culture20 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm not usually a fan of conspiracy theories, but "signals to turn off radar" seems more like a coverup to protect the Mossad agents who really turned off the radar. You can theoretically only use a kill signal like that once, but Mossad agents are much more versatile.

    1. Re:Riiight by R2.0 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here's another explanation - it's a red herring. By floating this story, you kill 2 birds:

      1) It "explains" the lack of Syrian response in a way that maintains security on the real capabilities of Israeli jamming, and

      2) It sends foreign powers on a wild goose chase, spending resources trying to root out "kill switches" that aren't there. This takes away from resources that could be spent improving the system's ability to see through jamming.

      The elegance is that it has JUST enough plausibility that it can't be ignored, due to the (now) well publicized Soviet gas pumping station sabotage.

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    2. Re:Riiight by LWATCDR · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Maybe or it could just be that the US has samples of all these radar systems and found the best way to jam or overload them.
      Nothing is perfect so I am sure they have torn those system apart and found any weakness. The US then shared that information.
      Kind of like in WWII when the US found a Zero.
      They found that the Zero had a longer range, could out climb, out turn, and was faster than the F4F fighters the US had. The only thing advantage the F4F had was that it could out dive the Zero and as built like a tank.
      The one problem it had was at high speed it didn't turn well to the left. So F4Fs made diving attacks at high speed and turned left to escape. The F4F ended up with a very good kill rate when dealing with the Zero.
      If you can find a weakness and exploit it you will often win.

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    3. Re:Riiight by hador_nyc · · Score: 3, Interesting

      supporting your argument, the CIA encouraged belief in UFO sitings to use as cover for SR-71/A-12 and U-2 flights. Mind you, and I need to say this on/., but this has nothing to do with weather or not there really are UFOs; it's just that if more people believe in then fewer will think that a jet they may see from extreme range/altitude is really a jet.

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  14. Semiconductor Executive Should Be Investigated by fwr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So there's a semiconductor executive that is talking about classified information in an interview? His/Her clearance should be revoked, at least temporarily, until an investigation can be performed to determine whether any laws were broken, and how long the executive should serve.

    1. Re:Semiconductor Executive Should Be Investigated by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Unfortunately, an investigation/trial might reveal more secrets than the good it would do.

      The first rule when you see classified information splash across the front page of the New York Times, it to keep your mouth shut. Running around, arresting people, only confirms that the information is true. You start a secret investigation and covertly limit the information that the people suspected of the leaks have access to. Then, when the brouhaha dies down, use special rendition to disappear the perp in the middle of the night.

      Usually when someone's clearance is revoked publicly, it's because they broke a rule, not because real secrets were reveled.

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    2. Re:Semiconductor Executive Should Be Investigated by Rorschach1 · · Score: 2

      "...and how long the executive should serve."

      Senators serve six-year terms. If he wants to stay in longer than that, he'll need to run for re-election. Haven't you figured out how this works yet?

  15. Standard operating procedure by spikesahead · · Score: 4, Interesting

    In the cold war the united states did this several times to the USSR, one notable example was a gas pipeline explosion caused by a specifically sabotaged piece of software.

    Here is an article detailing the event;
    http://news.zdnet.co.uk/software/0,1000000121,39147917,00.htm

    The USSR attempted in several instances to steal or otherwise acquire technology from the united states, and whenever this was detected our counter-intelligence services would provide flawed or otherwise sabotaged technology in place of the actual information sought. This had the desired cascading effect of the USSR unable to trust any technology that may have been introduced from non-USSR sources and was considered an extremely significant part of the eventual collapse of the USSR.

    1. Re:Standard operating procedure by mbone · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...was considered an extremely significant part of the eventual collapse of the USSR.

      Oh, come on. Was considered by whom, exactly ?

      I might point out that both sides stole constantly from each other, in many cases quite successfully (viz, the first Soviet fission bomb), as well as energetically developing their own technology (viz, the first Soviet fusion bomb with the "layer cake" design), and that the USSR did not implode because of external pressure.

    2. Re:Standard operating procedure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Except that there is no evidence that any explosion took place. The whole story is based on the book of a former Reagan administration official. Go ahead and check newspaper archives at at that time, and you will find no mention of any explosion. I suppose you could claim it was covered up by the Soviets, but if it was truly a "massive" explosion, I doubt they could have achieved a complete media blackout.

      In addition, the entire story is described as a hoax here:

      http://www.bookscape.co.uk/short_stories/computer_hoaxes.php

      I think it's fair to say The Great Trans-Siberian Pipeline Computer Sabotage of 1982 is dubious at best.

  16. The Chinese and Windows by kurt555gs · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I understand why the Chinese don't want to use Windows in their defense systems. I am sure there are back doors to encryption, and remote access, and all kinds of sneaky things that the CIA can do to anyone using Microsoft products.

    Microsoft can say , no, its fine. Without the source code, how could you trust them?

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  17. Backdoor by michaelmalak · · Score: 2, Informative

    IEEE Spectrum properly refers to the attack on the Syrian hardware as a "back door". The New York Times not only failed to use the Hacker's Dictionary, it failed to use the terminology from IEEE Spectrum, which it even hyperlinked to.

  18. What about a Trojan "Launch" Switch by cpu_fusion · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Turning off your enemies defenses is one thing, but what about when stuff like this is used to make the enemy seem to be on the offensive?

  19. Radars and kill switch by renoX · · Score: 2, Interesting

    A kill switch needs external communication to be activated which can be quite impossible to implement in many case but radars are basically radio receivers so a specific sequence of radio impulsion at a given frequency could activate the kill switch..
    Interesting.

  20. Integrated air defence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

    My understanding is that they took out the NETWORK and COMPUTERS connecting all the weaponry, not the weaponry. So while the guys in the missile batteries were playing cards, or whatever, the search radar was showing cartoons, and nobody ever woke the general up with an attack warning until the bombs dropped. Lieutenants do not shoot missiles unless the general says it is OK.

  21. Re:Thatcher and Argentina by C0vardeAn0nim0 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    most of the exocets the argentinians had were naval versions designed to be lanched from ships. since they were keeping their ships away from the combat zone after a british sub sunk ARA general belgrano.

    after that they were left with the very few aircraft lanuched units they had. in the end, 3 hit. one in the HMS sheffield, two on MV atlantic conveyor. sheffild sunk near the exclusion zone. atlantic conveyor lost the cargo and was towed back to england, then scuttled bacuase the damages were so extensive it'd be cheaper to build another ship thank repair her.

    to tell the truth, the argentinians were ONE exocet away from winning the war. if they had scored one fatal hit against HMS invincible, that would have given them the war and the malvinas islands. unfortunatelly, our "hermanos" only had one left. the super etendards atacked the invincible with support of four A4 skyhawks, but the exocet only caused superficial damage, and the bombs from the skyhawks missed.

    thus the british kept their islands.

    disclaimer: i'm brasilian, was alive during the war and living in rio grande do sul, a brasilian state that shares a large border with argentina.

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  22. uhh...Russian technology by Nidi62 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How do Israelis manage to build in kill switches on technology developed in Russia and provided to Syria through Iran? That would involve some deep penetration, which I doubt even the Israelis can do. The Russian did pretty much invent counterespionage, after all.

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  23. Kill Switches in the Silicon by DesertNomad · · Score: 2, Interesting

    My experience is with very complex and extremely common silicon wireless transceivers, including RF, PHY, MAC, NWK and even applications functions. 6 to 40 mm^2 of extremely dense circuitry (millions to tens of millions of gates). It would be very easy to put into that a block that would be nearly undetectable and that would cause the transceiver to change its behavior when specific sequences are received over the air. In a major metro area, a single broadcast message could shut down tens of thousands of cellphones or wi-fi devices. For weapons that use that part, it could quickly be "Phaser on OVERLOAD!" That having been said, when we do a design and send the design files overseas to third-party fabs in Asia, it is hard for them to be able to modify anything since the finished part will be different than our design file. But, I suppose if you had the money, resources, and desire for total world domination, anything's possible.

  24. Re:Thatcher and Argentina by HawkinsD · · Score: 4, Informative

    Wait! I retract my earlier assertion.

    According to this article (cited elsewhere in this thread by acb) about French President Mitterand, PM Thatcher successfully pressured the French to reveal the "codes to make the Exocets deaf and blind" after the Sheffield was sunk.

    Very interesting.

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  25. Re:Idiots by tehdaemon · · Score: 2, Informative

    In general, your objections are valid. In this case, the device with the supposed kill switch is a radar. A giant radio receiver. You would be hard pressed to find a better communication channel than that, and it is hidden in plain sight.

    Everything that is received by the radar goes through software at some point or other, and this is not trivial stuff, it is likely in ROM and not easily dumped or disassembled. Possibly encrypted to boot. A kill switch in general? Hard. For a radar? very plausible, and most of your objections have a simple answer for a radar.

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  26. Re:Thatcher and Argentina by cluemore · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The remarkable thing is that 4 exocets hit their targets, caused considerable damage, but none of them exploded! The worst damage was caused when the flame from the solid fuel rockets of the exocets ignited the aluminum hulls, which then could not be extinguished. The british have since reconsidered their decision to build their ships out of inflammable metals. Aluminum will burn even under water, and the only way to extinguish the fire is to smother it with inert materials (non-oxygen bearing).

    At the time I thought that one failure to explode was possibly accidental equipment failure, but for all four to fail, that had to be a kill switch. I think the british had the kill codes for the exocets, but only used them to disable the explosive, not the targeting, not thinking about how the heat of the fuel would set the aluminum hull on fire. They were probably under some obligation to the french not to reveal the existance of the kill codes, and to not use the kill codes so as to make the exocets look really bad, like turning them around and hitting argentine positions. that would really kill the market for exocets, wouldn't it.

    The wikipedia article on exocets documents the falklands/malvinas war, noting that none of the exocets to hit their targets, actually exploded ... here's wikipedia on the three british ships struck by exocets:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Conveyor ...

    "On 25 May 1982 the Atlantic Conveyor was hit by two[2] Exocet missiles fired by a pair of Argentine Super Étendard jet fighter. The ship caught fire, the fire then became uncontrollable. When the fire had burnt out, the ship was boarded but nothing was recoverable and so the decision was made to sink her. It is unclear whether the missile's warhead detonated ..."

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exocet ...

    "The Exocet that struck the Glamorgan failed to explode, but the unburnt rocket fuel caused a significant fire."

    "The crew of the Sheffield and members of the British Task Force were of the opinion that the missile had exploded, but the official report from the RN Board of Inquiry, now available (2007) on the Internet, states that from the evidence available the warhead did not explode. The damage caused was due to the large kinetic energy of the missile, and the unused missile fuel that ignited on impact."

    imagine what the damage would have been if they had actually exploded!