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Journalists Looking For Government Money

We've been following the ongoing struggles of the print media, watching as some publications have died off and others have held to outdated principles and decried the influence of the internet. A side effect of this has been many journalists put out of work and many others fearful that informed reporting is on its way out as well. Now, an editorial in the Washington Post calls for a solution journalists would likely have scoffed at only a few years ago: federal subsidies. Robert W. McChesney and John Nichols write, "What to do? Bailing out media conglomerates would be morally and politically absurd. These firms have run journalism into the ground. If they cannot make it, let them go. Wait for 'pay-wall' technologies, billionaire philanthropists or unimagined business models to generate enough news to meet the immense demands of a self-governing society? There is no evidence that such a panacea is on the horizon. This leaves one place to look for a solution: the government." They hasten to add, "Did we just call for state-run media? Quite the opposite."

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  1. good description by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 5, Insightful

    They have run journalism into the ground...

    If they would move past "Infotainment" and got back to writing good "News" instead of creating "Crisis" and attacking an administration simply to raise advertising funding I'd be inclined to buy a newspaper to read.

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    1. Re:good description by Sperbels · · Score: 1, Insightful

      If they would move past "Infotainment" and got back to writing good "News" instead of creating "Crisis" and attacking an administration simply to raise advertising funding I'd be inclined to buy a newspaper to read.

      I don't like this any more than you but come on, the newspapers are folding because people are reading their news online...for free. It's as simple as that.

    2. Re:good description by Znork · · Score: 4, Insightful

      They have run journalism into the ground...

      Without a doubt.

      attacking an administration simply to raise advertising funding

      I have nothing against attacks on administrations, but what passes for such today is largely irrelevant misdirection. Journalists with any significant insight into the subjects reported about, necessary to avoid being just a spokespuppet, are rare. Which is largely why professional 'reporters' are losing out to people with knowledge about the subject matter but with only amateurish reporting skills. If the journalist is merely a conduit, well, then frankly a blog page can do that.

      But neither is really relevant. The real problem for the journalism business is there's simply too much of it. Barring the prospects of consumers suddenly getting vast amounts of new free time, it simply needs to be massively downsized. In the modern world we don't need 100 reporters at a White House press conference. The job can be done by three or four, and then aggregated and translated. We don't need one reporter per olympic sportsman. Consumers can only read that much in a day, and when output is globally available, there isn't enough time in the world to consume even a miniscule fraction of it.

      Once far more of the business is dead and gone, then the remaining outlets will get many more eyeballs and much better advertising rates. Redundant work will have been eliminated, and in a functioning economy we'd all have gotten a little bit more free time as less actual work needs to be done. In this one we'll instead get a slight tax raise and get forced to subsidize work that has no demand and shouldn't be done.

    3. Re:good description by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I stopped reading the newspaper before I started reading news online. I stopped reading the newspaper because every article contained some political commentary whether there was any relationship between the subject of the story and the political comment.

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    4. Re:good description by hairyfeet · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Exactly. I quit reading and subscribing to both my local and state papers when every. single. article. had enough spin slathered on top of it that I felt like I was reading Pravda. Way too many papers have been completely taken over by the hard left or hard right and pretty much spin everything so hard it feels like it was written by birthers. No thanks.

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    5. Re:good description by tomhudson · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Have you read Pravda lately? Ironically, they sometimes seem to be more insightful than the American media.

      This is slashdot - people here read Depravada - russian pr0n.

      The problem is easily fixed - let the weaker ones fold. Right now, there are obviously too many newspapers for the market. Also, their product is ecologically unsound, and by the time it reaches the reader, it's out of date.

      If 90% were to close tomorrow, it would give the rest a chance to survive as a niche product, because newspapers are no longer mainstream.

      I was at the supermarket Thursday, and the local paper was trying to get people to sign up by giving away a free mp3 player. Talk about a promotion stuck in the last century - who DOESN'T have a cell phone that plays mp3s? What next - free buggy whips?

    6. Re:good description by Philip+K+Dickhead · · Score: 5, Insightful

      250 years ago, there were no "newspapers". They were technologically impossible, and demographically unreadable.

      We had broadsheets for the limited press-runs we were capable of. And for the limited, literate population of large cities. These were pasted as bills, and informally circulated in the leaf.

      In the time of the American and French revolutions, the day belonged to the pamphleteer. His screeds, fulminations and genuine insights were the fuel for popular discourses. When the American Constitution enshrined a freedom for the press in basic law, it was the pamphleteer and "almanack" editor for whom this waas a guarantee. You may recognize the pamphleteer.

      Today we call him "the blogger".

      Newspapers grew, as a 19th century phenomenon for the obvious reasons we implied, as literate middle-classes expanded in the cities, with money to spend. Industrial papermaking and printing replaced paper-hanging and letter-press, and it became possible to turn the massive engines of industry to something as trivial as glorified broadsheets, rather than simply the production of necessities. In fact, investment capital seeking returns, demanded finding new avenues for industrialization. The newspaper was born.

      Now that the demands and opportunities of 19th century central industrialization have passed from the page of history, why should the newspaper magically be granted an existence, into perpetuity? They did not found our societies, and were instrumental mostly in our worst excesses and prejudices, not in promoting our best values and opportunities.

      If they still make buggy-whips, let their time fade away.

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    7. Re:good description by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "Bull. Their business models just suck."

      It's neither all one or the other. Their business models are poor. Their needs assessment is pitiful, since they don't contact customers to figure out why they are leaving. Their writing has gone into hard left or right spin. And their ads have just kept getting bigger and worse or more pervasive. Their formatting sucks; they've brought newspaper to the online world by following the online format of an article page, which is not the strong points in the newspaper format which you could read and move on quickly across a large paper spread.

      Even if they are bailed out, they will fail in the long run.

      Personally, I think it's because newspapers are generally long (top to bottom) formats and most media and monitors are widescreen. Pissy as shit to read a newspaper that way. I'd buy an HDTV mount that could be turned easily vertical if newspapers released their content into 1080p vertical and sent it to me for $.25 at 3am in the morning and 5am in the evening in a saveable format. I spend more time clicking and loading web page articles than I used to reading an entire newspaper.

      One of the better online newspapers I read was distributed in a pdf format that you could click and read. I could zoom, click to stories, zoom out. Probably was, it was a bit slow interface wise. The only reason I stopped reading it was because of the lack of content and it was more a creative non-status quo local paper attempt, which meant it came out once a month really and it really didn't have great stories. But the format was glorious, particularly reading it on a 4:3 monitor.

      I don't mind ads. I like reading a newspaper, see an ad, and moving past it quickly, or not if it was something that appealed to me. Good to see local sales. I think newspaper folks just don't get it, and should be bringing the newspaper to digital formats and making their products a thing to buy, not merely and only adapting to new forms of distribution. They have to change their entire game to them, instead of chasing pieces of technology, whether it be digital ink, web, banner ads, etc. They've piecemealed themselves into oblivion, and as such have gone to the crappy "crisis" coverage to gain temporary numbers, alienating what little audience they had left.

    8. Re:good description by davester666 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Dammit, if the newspaper industry is going to get a bailout, then I demand a subsidy for my failing horse and buggy firm!

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    9. Re:good description by AliasMarlowe · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They have run journalism into the ground...

      Those few who retain some form of journalistic integrity are probably doing fine, especially if they have adapted their business models in a sensible way. To take an example, the only news subscription I have nowadays is to The Economist magazine. It's worth reading every week, almost from cover to cover, with proper coverage and generally thoughtful analysis (I don't always agree with their opinions, but enjoy reading them). Even the advertising tends to be good quality, from the likes of Boeing, DHL, HSBC, etc.

      Importantly, their web site is free-access for a limited amount of their content, but a good deal of it requires a subscription. Happily, the dead-tree subscription includes an online access subscription. Mostly, I read the printed version, but occasionally use the web site.

      Another difference compared to much of the news media is that the writers of artcles in The Economist are usually not identified. One reads the report for what it is, not for which self-styled superstar of journalism happened to pen it. Equally, the anonymity of the journalists prevents them from posturing in the report or attempting any self-aggrandizement in the style of would-be superstars of journalism.

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    10. Re:good description by commodore64_love · · Score: 4, Insightful

      NPR just recently covered this issue. NPR came-down on the "government funding is a good idea" viewpoint. Gee what a surprise. A partially government-funded organization that thinks more government funding is great! They have inadvertently demonstrated how Uncle Sam dollars can skew viewpoints - naturally NPR is in favor of *more* Uncle Sam programs, because "he" is their sugar daddy. ;-)

      http://www.onthemedia.org/transcripts/2009/10/30/03
      Take For Granted
      October 30, 2009

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    11. Re:good description by GrumblyStuff · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yeah but... look at all the shit put out by Murdock's News Corp. I'd gladly keep funding NPR, thank you very much.

    12. Re:good description by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Or do you really think 3 or 4 people can represent 300 million Americans?

      They are *reporters*. They don't "represent" anybody.

    13. Re:good description by BeanThere · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't know about WSJ but I can vouch for the Economist - I regularly pay money to read it because it's got very good (actual) journalism about happenings all over the world.

      The mainstream media is failing because they couldn't be bothered to do journalism anymore. There are major problems all over the world that need urgent attention from the media that get massively collectively ignored by the media. Let them fail. We're genuinely reaching the point where bloggers and an army of citizens with cellphone cameras etc. are doing a better job. (Still a terrible job, mind you, but better than any mainstream news rag.)

    14. Re:good description by kylemonger · · Score: 3, Insightful

      NPR is indifferent to sources of funding. They have a huge endowment, take government money, take corporate money and beg for money from individuals every spring and fall by way of their local affiliates. If men from Mars landed today, NPR would be interviewing them tomorrow and asking them for money the next day. If the question is "money", NPR's answer is going to be "yes."

  2. Hurray for the "free" press! by cheddarlump · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What a fantastic way to ensure a free press: have them paid by the very institution they're supposed to be the watchdogs for. I'm sure they won't forget how to be objective and unbiased though... /sarcasm

    1. Re:Hurray for the "free" press! by pudge · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They hasten to add, "Did we just call for state-run media? Quite the opposite."

      No, that is precisely what they called for.

      Whoever holds the purse strings is in control.

      The government might GRANT control, day to day, to the private people, but they can exert control whenever they wish to.

      And you're exactly right cheddarlump ... the press cannot be beholden to the government. It's a travesty. Just like "shield laws," where the press are beholden to the government to offer them special privileges, which, being legislative and particular to the people who have them, can be revoked.

      The way to an actual free press is to for government to give every citizen the same rights, and to stay completely out of the system.

      The real story here is that they want to save their own jobs, because they cannot figure out how to save them any other way. This isn't about The Press. If it were, they'd not have been doing such a terrible job (even before the Web came around).

      I mean come on ... look at the fricking New York Times. In the wake of Jayson Blair, they promised to rein in anonymous sources. They didn't. As a result, no one trusts the Times anymore, and no one should.

      No one trusts the "blogs" either, but at least you don't pay for those.

    2. Re:Hurray for the "free" press! by Glock27 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And you're exactly right cheddarlump ... the press cannot be beholden to the government. It's a travesty. Just like "shield laws," where the press are beholden to the government to offer them special privileges, which, being legislative and particular to the people who have them, can be revoked.

      The total irony here is many media outlets are being increasingly ignored over their fawning, lapdog approach to 0bama - without even a financial benefit.

      They're really just asking to be paid for their efforts.

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  3. Let them die. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Else we'll have the situation with Boscovs which was bailed-out, but after examining the store, I think should have died.

    This store has not been modernized its look since the 1980s, still employs three people to man every single register (wasteful), and carries product a modern consumer has little-to-no interest in buying (sewing patterns & machines to make your own clothes). Other stores like Penneys and Sears have streamlined their operations, eliminating product that doesn't sell, and having 3 employees serve an entire QUARTER of a store not just one register. They've cut costs and grown more efficient. Boscovs has not.

    Government bail-outs for stores just encourage inefficiency. Ditto bail-outs for newspapers. Let the papers innovate or pass-away into history (along with horsewhips and cobblers).

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  4. State run media alright! by SirAstral · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Once you start getting $$$ from good ole goobermint teet they pretty much tell you what you can do. Same will happen with the media. After all, if they allow journalists to get money, how are they going to control who gets the $$$ or not?

    It's simple! They only fund people that are "favorable" to this years 'fad' administration.

  5. Wha? by jav1231 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How would government financing of media be anything but state-run media? The media is already tainted with clear and evident bias. And that's on all fronts, for those who want to taunt Fox news. We expect it from commentators and that is generally where the most overt lies but most news agencies get their news from AP and Reuters feeds. And many of them frankly read like commentary. As if personal bias hasn't destroyed true journalism over the past several decades what do you think asking for a hand-out from an administration already quite intolerant of dissent is going to do?

  6. corporate welfare by el_gato_borracho · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sure the constant threat of their government funding being cut would NEVER affect their critical coverage of said government.

    1. Re:corporate welfare by khallow · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And the presence of government funding would provide a convenient cutoff point for who is considered a journalist and who isn't. If you're not receiving the government subsidy, then you're not a real journalist and hence, aren't allowed in the press-only areas or to receive the other privileges extended to real journalists.

  7. Whether they want to admit it or not by Scareduck · · Score: 2, Insightful

    a state-run media is exactly what they're calling for. Craven fools.

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  8. Oh, they'll criticize the government all right. by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing is, the criticism they'll hand out will be like the BBC, bitching about how the government isn't doing enough.

    -jcr

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    1. Re:Oh, they'll criticize the government all right. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And thats much diffrent then now, how exactly?

    2. Re:Oh, they'll criticize the government all right. by jcr · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The BBC is quite critical of the government doing the wrong thing

      Correction: the BBC is critical of the government doing what the BBC believes is the wrong thing. You'll never see the BBC calling for a reduction in government power.

      -jcr

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  9. Subsidize paper chauvinism now! by SlappyBastard · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Am I the only person who is slightly appalled by saving a "medium"? I mean, fuck, why don't we just bailout the papyrus manufacturers while we're at it?

    Obviously it's time to bail out Polaroid, or else there won't be any quality pictures ever taken ever again!!

    Journalism will thrive. It will go back to its roots: pamphleteers. The idea of the monolithic newspaper journalistic elite is a product of a brief period during which corporations controlled the best distribution channels. Now they don't. Bloggers do. And journalism will be the better to show for it.

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    1. Re:Subsidize paper chauvinism now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Hmmm. From Bernstein and Woodword to Drudge Report. You must be using a definition of "better" with which I am unfamiliar. Not that I disagree with the rest of your comments, but if bloggers are the future of journalism then we are fucked.

  10. Hmmm by demonlapin · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A solution journalists would have scoffed at a few years ago? Given that more of them are left-leaning Democrats than any other specific political orientation, why would journalists have opposed government subsidy?

    Look, these guys claim that the job of journalism is to "question, analyze and speak truth to power". What a weaselly bunch of crap. They'll cover up anything for people they like (and that crosses the political spectrum). They even quote Obama as saying "Government without a tough and vibrant media is not an option for the United States of America." This is the same guy whose administration says that Fox News isn't a real news organization, mostly because a lot of its shows spend their time attacking him and his policies - i.e., being tough and vibrant. If you disagree with my politics, then imagine if instead of the Republican kabuki of not financially supporting information about abortion in worldwide birth control efforts were suddenly to apply to domestic newspapers the next time the political tide turns. Do you think that's good for democracy?

    They then cite the historical example of some printing and postal subsidies (presumably similar to the current subsidies for books and other media via mail) and then suggest we should honor that by "greatly expand[ing] funding for public and community media, and establish[ing] policies that help convert dying daily newspapers into post-corporate low-profit news operations that realize the potential of the Internet." Do I get to qualify for "public and community" funding if I add a couple of news items to my posts about how home sales are doing in my neighborhood? (They're fine, FWIW.) Because otherwise it sounds suspiciously like how "community" funding keeps getting distributed via the same few organizations - the ones with the connections get solid government funding, and in return they toe the line.

    I like newspapers. I enjoy sitting down on Sunday morning and slowly making my way through the whole thing. So, apparently, does the president. But making public policy based on the Sunday morning habits of the upper middle class is wasteful snobbery. They're dead. Move on. And if you're a journalism major, strongly consider switching.

    1. Re:Hmmm by jo_ham · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Fox News isn't a real news organisation not because it is right wing, but because it doesn't really care about actual truth, it just broadcasts whatever it likes regardless of the facts.

      There are plenty of right wing news organisations that are critical of the Obama administration and the left in general that haven't been classified as "not news".

      Faux News is a special case.

      The BBC is a good example of a "state funded" news outlet. Not beholden to advertising, and managed by a trust (not the government) while drawing funding from the licence fee. I don't think it's any surprise to most people that in general opinion BBC news is considered to be high quality. You will get people from both sides of the spectrum claiming it is biased either too heavily left, or too heavily conservative but the fact that it is often accused of being both a left wing and right wing propaganda machine seems to indicate it might actually be doing ok.

      If you think that a state funded news organisation could never criticise the money source then just check out the sexing up of the Iraq dossier and subsequent aftermath - a subject the BBC got themselves into hot water over. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hutton_Inquiry While ultimately it resulted in the resignation of the director general, the BBC pursued the story in the face of major government displeasure.

    2. Re:Hmmm by khallow · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Fox News isn't a real news organisation not because it is right wing, but because it doesn't really care about actual truth, it just broadcasts whatever it likes regardless of the facts.

      And how does that not make Fox News a news organization? Heavy bias is a common component of news organizations. Especially since what "it likes" to broadcast is often true?

    3. Re:Hmmm by jadavis · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but because [FNC] doesn't really care about actual truth

      News outlets should also be judged by the stories they run that other news outlets ignore, like corruption in Acorn, Van Jones, etc.

      If your news outlets aren't reporting these things, maybe you should include FNC so that you get all of the relevant information? I'm sure if FNC gets anything wrong, it will be debunked by various FNC critics, so you won't be misinformed.

      The BBC is a good example

      Everyone uses the BBC as a good example. But we're afraid of the bad examples.

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  11. There Is No News Crisis by logicnazi · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is a crisis for journalists as a result of the sudden crash in their industry but that crash isn't the result of some horrible failure of the market for journalism. Just the opposite. The newspaper industry has hit bottom because the internet has made the buisness of reporting so much more efficient. I mean just thinking about the huge number of daily papers across the states carrying the same national and international news on print is enough to make one sick at the waste. Not only does it cost a great deal to publish a print daily but each of these dailies employs editors and layout people to format the same news availible anywhere in their particular style. Many of them even insist on hiring their own reporters even when it's obviously duplicated effort (say reviewing national movies/TV shows).

    Once competition drives most local papers to focus on local intersts and everyone to publish online it will free up a quite substantial amount of money for real reporting. Though actually a lot of what journalists call real reporting is duplicated effort for the sake of status. I mean does it really help the public understand what's going on better to have 40+ journalists at the white house press briefings and who knows how much AV equitment? If they just sent over a single camera crew and agreed on a way to pick questions there would be no harm to the quality of reporting. Much of this is just done because historically that behavior signaled prestige and seriousness in the news industry.

    I don't think the newspapers are doing anything wrong. But when technology lets you accomplish the same job with disruptively less total effort (delivering news to the nation) many people are going to lose their jobs and most of the companies in that industry will go out of buisness. I feel sorry for the people with careers in the industry but I think there is every reason to believe that after things settle down there will be just as much investigative reporting and important journalism. There will just be less redundancy and a more efficient use of reporting resources.

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  12. MSNBC by rlp · · Score: 2, Insightful

    We already have state-run media. They might as well get paid by the government for their services.

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  13. Let them die by duffbeer703 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    News is alive an well, just not in the traditional, dominant media outlets. We have online blogs and weekly newspapers that are in many cases thriving. In my hometown, a tiny rural weekly called "The Altamont Enterprise" has such a demand for local advertising that they've had to add a second section. 15 years ago, it was a 10 page weekly, now its closer to 50.

    Why the growth? The local newspaper, the Hearst-owned Albany Times-Union doesn't really provide a service to people in the outlying areas of Albany. Even within the area that the traditional paper claims to serve, the editorial practices of the paper marginalize it as a provider of news that people want to hear. Often, you know when important things are going on because they don't appear in the paper.

    When the daily papers die, others will take their place. The only thing missing will be the editorial boards that are typically in cahoots with politicians and business. Keeping them on life support is suppressing the development of new news organizations.

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  14. Government money == government control. by John+Hasler · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Anyone who believes otherwise is a fool (or a liar who wants government control).

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  15. And let's not forget... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Government money = tax money = our money.

    This is just an end run around the consumer: Pay us voluntarily or we'll reach into your wallet ourselves. Of course, right now we're reaching into our childrens' childrens' wallets.

  16. DNC-NBC by commodore64_love · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Or the communications arm of the democratic party called MSNBC, NBC, GE, or any other organization that stands to gain huge profits from Carbon Taxes. 'k thanks.

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  17. As A Former Newspaper Employee by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I worked for the Rocky Mountain News and the Denver Newspaper Agency (DNA) for a number of years. I'd like to share my thoughts on why newspapers companies are failing.

    First, in this era where Content is King, the quality of newspaper content has been declining steadily. Most reporting is little more than regurgitated press releases and wire stories. The original writing is largely confined to the sports section. Reporting quality has been discussed to death so I won't go into details. Suffice to say that most of the original reporting in the main section is stories about stories. These secondary stories have very little value.

    Second is the rampant cronyism in the executive ranks. At the DNA I watched a seemingly endless parade of senior executives come and go. These people move from one newspaper to another every couple of years. Much ballyhooed when they arrive, they never accomplish anything. At least two senior execs are on their second round at the DNA. These are the people who lead the newspaper industry right to the brink. They do not know what to do now. Most of them are nearing retirement age and I doubt the newspaper industry can recover until they do retire.

    Next, ignoring the web was a huge mistake. It might be fatal. As an example, in the spring of 2009, the new President of the DNA (he was President of The Denver Post a few years ago) said something like "We've barely scratched the surface of what we're going to do with the web". The voice in my head was screaming "That's why they're eating our lunch!" So what have they done with the web since then? If you read the preceding paragraph you already know the answer to that question.

    Finally, there is the revenue problem. The last twenty years or so have seen an explosion in the amount of available advertising space. Think back a few years, half a dozen local TV stations, a few radio stations, and your local newspaper were the main venues for advertising. Today, advertising is everywhere. It's a simple case of Supply and Demand. The skyrocketing supply drove prices down. Meanwhile, the price of newsprint was also skyrocketing. It's reached the point where newspapers can't compete because their costs are too high.

    So what's the solution? I don't know. I do know that government subsidies aren't the answer. Propping up an industry that's killing itself won't help you or me. It will help those old newspaper execs retire comfortably. That is all.

  18. What planet are you all living on? by lawpoop · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I can't believe the comments that say that government-funded media will be Soviet-style Propaganda machines. Are you people out of your minds? Can anyone here name me one program or reporter more critical of the government than Bill Moyers? His programs get financed by PBS, a government corporation.

    In fact, that's exactly what corporations want you to believe, because public funding will be the only thing that frees journalists from the corporate teat. It will effectively shut down the corporate media oligarchy we have today.

    Are you all slaves for the corporations or whatever organization pays your salaries? Is that the only lens through which you can see the world?

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  19. Re:Government media CAN be objective and unbiased. by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >>>When was the last, really hard hitting documentary you saw on American television?

    Glenn Beck does a virtual documentary every day. You may think he's an ass or a joke but he is right about one thing: We should be asking questions. What is the government up to, why are they doing it, and who is behind these decisions? What, why, who are the questions we should all be asking.

    Rachel Maddow operates a similar program over at MSNBC.

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  20. Re:Two points by commodore64_love · · Score: 3, Insightful

    >>>The BBC is a government institution that holds its own purse strings --

    Except when you don't pay that TV license fee (tax), then the BBC calls on the government to round you up and toss you in jail, or extract the funds from your paycheck. So the BBC is not really independent of the government - its *beholden* to the government to enforce its collection of funds.
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    >>>In western countries, public news organisations offer by far the highest quality of reporting

    Not in the States. NPR and PBS sucks when it comes to news gathering since it was biased towards a statist regime (more/bigger government). If the reporters at this organizations had their way private ownership would be dead and our homes/car/et cetera would all be government owned. Okay I maybe be exaggerating a little but that is how their reporting leans.

    The only good news is that NPR/PBS only costs me about $10 a year in taxation, so it doesn't really "hurt" me that much.

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  21. Re:We already HAVE gov subsidized media conglomera by Ironsides · · Score: 2, Insightful

    False. I wish people would stop repeating this oft-stated lie. The ~2000 TV stations plus ~10,000 lowpower/clear air neighborhood stations all pay a lease for their spectrum (called a license fee).

    Can you provide some evidence of this? I can find application fees, but not spectrum license fees for the TV stations.

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  22. Re:Two points by pudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    The BBC is a government institution that holds its own purse strings -- effectively having the right to raise its own taxes.

    Yes. And the BBC also is controlled by the government, which regulates content and can fine news organizations for not doing what the government thinks they should do.

    In western countries, public news organisations offer by far the highest quality of reporting.

    False.

    Furthermore, we get that without advertising, and for less total cost.

    Also false. There IS advertising -- in the U.S. anyway -- and the total cost is only less depending on how you're looking at it.

    Now keep in mind, my favorite news program is NewsHour -- I watch it every day -- which is funded in part from government sources. So it's not like I am saying they do poor reporting.

    But my argument is that quality isn't the point -- as there is also outstanding reporting from "corporate media" -- rather, the point is liberty, freedom, trust, rights, responsibility.

  23. I Agree, Sort Of by Bob9113 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Did we just call for state-run media? Quite the opposite.

    We seek to renew a rich if largely forgotten legacy of the American free-press tradition, one that speaks directly to today's crisis. The First Amendment necessarily prohibits state censorship, but it does not prevent citizens from using their government to subsidize and spawn independent media.

    Indeed, the post-colonial press system was built on massive postal and printing subsidies. The first generations of Americans never imagined that the market would provide sound or sufficient journalism. The notion was unthinkable. They established enlightened subsidies, which broadened the marketplace of ideas and enhanced and protected core freedoms. Their initiatives were essential to America's progress.

    So, the subsidies were on the infrastructure of free speech, eh?

    Fine; how about this: The government subsidizes the Internent, and to satisfy that "first amendment" thing you mention, they also require net neutrality. For the subsidy side, I propose that the United States government establish and fund some sort of entity for assigned names and numbers that can remove the expense of individual corporations having to develop their own contentious and lawsuit-encumbered system for apportioning such things, and a do the same for a name resolution system of some sort, with root nameservers provisioned largely at government expense. Perhaps the government could even go back in time and invent the system itself.

    Would that be enough of a subsidy and guarantee of freedom of speech? I think it is a pretty solid foundation at the least.

    Now, jerkwad, go forth and take advantage of all that we taxpayers have given ourselves through the creation of the Internet and the continued provision of its core infrastructural metadata. You want to journalize? Good! Be fruitful and journalize. Compete, you putz. And if you think the competition is skewed (and I think it is) perhaps you can start by journalizing about what is wrong with the system, just as the pamphleteers started not by begging for handouts but by invigorating the public furor.

    But stop trying to dip in my pocket, you welfare queen.

  24. "The BBC is so slanted" by michaelhawk · · Score: 2, Insightful
    Let's see...

    They spend the least amount of time pushing sensational stories.

    They report the news evenly. They do not stop everything just to get a shot of the Balloon Boy.

    They do not manipulate the viewer with false outrage or emotionalism.

    They promote dialog (the Doha Debates), not punditry.

    They gather stories from all over the world, not just one place, i.e. the USA.

    They do hard-hitting indepth interviews with intelligent people (Hardtalk)

    I could go on.

    Yes the BBC is slanted: towards quality journalism.

    There is no comparison between the it and CNN/MSNBC/FOX.

    I think many people here defending CNN/Fox/MSNBC (pick your poison) confuse the righteousness of their political beliefs (and therefore the villainy of any news organization that promotes alternative ideas) with the qualities of good journalism in general. Good journalism is what furthers their beliefs. Bad journalism is the other guy.

  25. Re:Government media CAN be objective and unbiased. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Hypocritical insults without any substance are not "hard hitting questions".

  26. Re:"Whoever holds the purse strings is in control. by pudge · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While the CBC has a mandate to promote Canadian unity, which I feel compromises its reporting on Quebec nationalism, I think nobody in Canada would say the government controls what the CBC reports.

    So apart from where it controls what the CBC reports, it doesn't control what the CBC reports.

    OK. :-)

    I am not saying that the press can't act independently most of the time. I am saying that -- unless you have full transparency, which of course (ironically) doesn't exist in journalism -- you never know if there's something they are hiding or misrepresenting. Maybe 99 percent of the time they are independent, but you never where that one percent is lurking. And this strikes directly at the issue of trust, without which most mainstream media cannot survive.

    As the MSM audience bleeds away, the danger to quality journalism at the CBC comes from market forces, not government forces.

    For now. As far as you know. And as the MSM audience bleeds away, there's less opportunity to KNOW whether the government has undue influence, because there's fewer other people from other media checking up on the stories.

    Whether or not the CBC is independent now or in the past is not the point. It's about trust for the next story, and the next, and the next after that. And trust requires not just a track record but also a reliable foundation, and being paid by the people you're covering is simply not such a foundation.