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Apple Says Booting OS X Makes an Unauthorized Copy

recoiledsnake writes "Groklaw has an extensive look at the latest developments in the Psystar vs. Apple story. There's a nice picture illustrating the accusation by Apple that Psystar makes three unauthorized copies of OS X. The most interesting, however, is the last copy. From Apple's brief: 'Finally, every time Psystar turns on any of the Psystar computers running Mac OS X, which it does before shipping each computer, Psystar necessarily makes a separate modified copy of Mac OS X in Random Access Memory, or RAM. This is the third unlawful copy.' Psystar's response: 'Copying a computer program into RAM as a result of installing and running that program is precisely the copying that Section 117 provides does not constitute copyright infringement for an owner of a computer program. As the Ninth Circuit explained, permitting copies like this was Section 117's purpose.' Is Apple seriously arguing that installing a third party program and booting OS X results in copyright infringement due to making a derivative work and an unauthorized copy?"

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  1. Re:Anyone surprised? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Apple is being paid for every copy of OS X. Perhaps they should stop selling OS X as a full standalone product then? I don't think Apple has a right to say what piece of hardware you can run OS X on. It's paid for, end of story.

    When everyone else tries to lock stuff down we scream about how evil and greedy they are. But when it comes to Apple, it's different somehow? Apple is just as greedy and as "evil" as Microsoft. They're out to make money just like everyone else.

  2. Re:Unauthorized by kimvette · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They, like the media conglomerates (RIAA and MPAA), are trying to change what copyright law actually is.

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  3. Re:My brain hurts, Steve! by outZider · · Score: 5, Insightful

    You are completely not their target market. Apparently, you want a two inch thick laptop that runs Linux and KDE. There are plenty of them. Buy them.

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  4. Not all that controversial by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The copy loaded into RAM is not infringement according to 17 USC 117, but that only holds if the copy being loaded _from_ is a legal copy. So if the copy Psystar loads onto the hard drive is unlawful, the copy in RAM is a further unlawful copy. That's not controversial (as a matter of law, anyway; it's pretty stupid as a matter of fact) and not really central to Apple's case.

  5. Re:Unauthoriazed Copy by prockcore · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'd rephrase that to say Apple has an effective case... because I certainly wouldn't call what they're doing "good".

  6. Re:Anyone surprised? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Insightful

    No surprise, which is why you can search my house:0 NO Apple/Mac, no iDevices, not today, not ever. Not even welcome on the property (a recent guest was surprised but accepted my position).

    So to summarize - because of Apple's heavy-handed behavior, you will not associate with anyone who does not allow you to force your beliefs on them.

    There's some irony in there, somewhere. But on the bright side, I'm guessing this doesn't affect a significant number of people at all.

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  7. No, Steve is right and you prove it! by Antiocheian · · Score: 4, Insightful

    People know the difference between a Mac and a crappy PC.

    A friend of mine thought he knew the difference but after he found out that he couldn't upgrade the video card of his 24'' Apple he decided to turn it to a tv/media center for his bedroom. He listened to my advice to upgrade the PSU of his crappy Pentium system, install a low cost RAID array, get a modern 3D card, upgrade the memory to 4 GB and finally get a high quality Unicomp keyboard and a 26'' led monitor. Except for the monitor, the upgrades cost him little and his old machine feels twice as fast as the Apple.

    He is fuming with Apple because he would really like to play a few modern games but the video card of this model cannot be upgraded. (He didn't research that possibility as he never thought it possible to get a desktop system for 2500 Euros with a crappy portable MXM video without the option to upgrade.)

    So he often comes to my apartment just to play Gothic III on my watercooled system which by the way cost only 1500 Euros and turns his Apple to dust.

    A year ago, he was about to buy a MacBook but I saved him from that mistake by asking him to compare an equally priced Lenovo. He was blown away and I think this is the time when the Apple myth started fading on him.

    I am sure you are not convinced, correct? And this is my point: Apple is right. Their secret recipe is no longer how to make great computers but how to make their users feel superior. "The difference between a Mac and crappy PC" in the eyes of a Mac user is that the PC is crappy by nature while the Mac is not. It's a delusion, but one that feeds Apple since the 90s.

    1. Re:No, Steve is right and you prove it! by maccodemonkey · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If the consumer has specialty needs, then yes, I blame the consumer. If a gamer goes and buys a netbook and then complains he can't play Crysis, do you blame the netbook maker? The 24" iMac at the lowest end configuration shipped with a GeForce 9400, which is perfectly decent, even for gaming, for most average consumers. For consumers who wanted more gaming power, they gave the option of a Radeon 4850 upgrade, which is a perfectly good card for games, especially when it came out a year ago. I'm pretty sure they even stocked the higher end GPU models in the stores, but it's hard to check now that the models have changed. Any way you look at it, the guy had to go into a store, ignore the different machines, and just go for the cheapest one. I don't really mind if you buy PC's because they meet your needs better. But don't claim ignorance as a good reason as to why Apple is horrible.

  8. Re:My brain hurts, Steve! by tonywestonuk · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If I buy a book, I can legally do whatever I want with it. Read it, shred it, use it for toilet paper. If I then choose to sell the remains of the book, That I can also do this legally...just so long as I do not copy it (copyright infringement). If I buy a legal boxed copy OS X, then I should have the same rights to do as I please, which includes installing it on my own hardware regardless of it been an Apple branded box or not.

  9. Re:My brain hurts, Steve! by Toonol · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's Apple's OS, they developed it, spend years and millions of $$$ making it - why shouldn't they be allowed to say what machines can and can't run it?

    Because the COPY of the OS the customer purchased is OWNED by the customer. They can do whatever they want with it, short of redistributing copies. It should be no different than if I bought a book; I could quote from it, cross out lines, and even read it back to front if I wanted. Yes, I know that the courts don't treat it the same; that's because the courts are wrong.

    These arguments about "I'd buy a Mac if it had exactly X configuration, but seeing as they don't I'll just pirate it on my own system" have absolutely zero merit.

    I absolutely agree. But the argument "I own a copy of the OS, and I own a computer with exactly X configuration, so I'm going to put my copy of the OS on my computer" DOES have merit.

  10. They might lose by theolein · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I don't think Apple will lose this case, given the current legal situation, but if by some slim chance Psystar wins its case on the grounds that Apple should have no control over how their product is used as long as the software license is paid for, i.e. that the EULA doesn't hold in this case, then Apple will have to contend with a legion of people and companies doing this. On the one hand this would be the thing that would enable Apple to break Microsoft's stranglehold on the PC market, on the other it weigh Apple down with an enormous amount of support costs (unless they specifically exclude this in their EULA) and also do damage to their brand as it would get watered down. The latter is an important part of Apple's strength and I can understand them fighting this for dear life.

    1. Re:They might lose by jonbryce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apple don't need to support the use of their product for a purpose it isn't sold for. If you try to install OSX on a playstation, it isn't going to work, and nobody would expect it to. If you try to install it on a PC with a hacked EFI emulator, it might work, but you can't really complain if it doesn't work very well.

    2. Re:They might lose by 99BottlesOfBeerInMyF · · Score: 4, Insightful

      but if by some slim chance Psystar wins its case on the grounds that Apple should have no control over how their product is used as long as the software license is paid for, i.e. that the EULA doesn't hold in this case...

      If the EULA held up and could be enforced then Apple would have had a legal injuction enforced against Psystar pretty much immediately and wouldn't need to resort to trying to argue flimsy scenarios like this one regarding the applicability of copyright to supposed copies of OS X made.

      You misunderstand. The EULA is a copyright license. In order for it to apply, Pystar has to have made a copy of the work, such as to disk or RAM.

      It's about the only thing in their EULA that would hold up, and they wouldn't have to provide support for anything they didn't want to.

      I don't think you understand the law very well.

      It probably wouldn't make economic sense for them to do so however. You only need to look at Microsoft for the massive profits to be had from a far larger market with a far larger supply of hardware.

      You're confusing cause and effect. MS makes huge profits because they have monopoly influence. Apple being unable to tie their hardware and software would make developing OS X unprofitable for Apple, not suddenly make them huge amounts of money. Every company that tries to compete in that market loses big time (BeOS for example). I know you think all the people making piles of money at Apple are incompetent compared to your economic brilliance and that they have somehow overlooked the idea of decoupling the markets, but the fact is, your theory is lousy.

      Of course that is moot since Apple has lots of other ways to tie their hardware and software even if the EULA clause is thrown out. If Pystar were to win completely, Apple could just stop selling their OS as a boxed copy and provide it as a free upgrade to hardware customers. Or they could require users to buy a service (like Mac.com) and provide the upgrades free as part of it. Or add some heavy duty DRM and authentication bring the DMCA into it. In short, if Pystar wins, it sets a good legal precedent, but practically just inconveniences OS X users while gaining Pystar nothing in the long run. OS X users will have to get used to entering a big serial number like Windows users.

      Pystar were clearly pretty clueless on a legal front when they started this enterprise and now are hoping to get a payoff and get out. You have to be a complete idiot to think you can include "mac" in the name of a computer you're selling despite Apple having a trademark on that term in the computer market.

  11. Re:Apple owners would make same unauthorized copie by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No it doesn't. That only deals with people's rights to resell their software package (media and license.) It doesn;t allow Psystar to make a modified version of OSX to load onto their PCs.

  12. Re:Unauthoriazed Copy by Alien+Being · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Peak Computer, Inc. had a business repairing MAI's Basic/4 computers and MAI got pissy about the "lost" service revenue.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MAI_Systems_Corp._v._Peak_Computer,_Inc.

    It was that case that made it illegal to load copyrighted software into RAM without a license.

    Before that, the legality was unclear and there were many heavy-handed lawsuits brought by manufacturers (including MAI) against 3rd party service companies.

    Long after it mattered to either of them the court decided that it was ok to boot the system in order to repair it. Peak was never depriving MAI of any software sales, they were preventing MAI from using their software licenses to lock customers into their service contracts.

    Similarly, Psystar isn't depriving Apple of any software sales but the are preventing Apple from using their software licenses to lock customers into their own brand of hardware.

    Fuck Apple.

  13. Re:Unauthoriazed Copy by MobyDisk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Personally I'm rooting for Apple on this one. It's their business model, and it has benefits for their users.

    Don't do that. You are rooting for someone to win not based on the merits of their arguments, but because you like them and think the other side are jerks. That's very dangerous.