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Pirate Bay Closure Sparked P2P Explosion

Barence writes to share that the closure of The Pirate Bay seems to have done nothing to stem the flow of potentially copyrighted materials. In fact, there has been an estimated 300% increase in the number of sites providing access to copyright files, according to McAfee. "In August, Swedish courts ordered that all traffic be blocked from Pirate Bay, but any hope of scotching the piracy of music, software and films over the web vanished as copycat sites sprung up and the content took on a life of its own. 'This was a true "cloud computing" effort,' the company said in its Threats Report for the third quarter. 'The masses stepped up to make this database of torrents available to others.'"

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  1. it's almost like... by u4ya · · Score: 5, Insightful

    a handful of selfish greedy people are no match for millions of selfish, greedy people

    1. Re:it's almost like... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      HAHAHA this is possibly the best comment ever.

  2. Well, it's no secret... by beatsme · · Score: 5, Informative

    The article makes it seem like a covert/mystical action, but really, anyone who has been reading TorrentFreak in the days since the TPB offer of sale and events surrounding the trial will know that people have been thinking about ways to mirror TPB for a while now, under the assumption that it will sink: http://torrentfreak.com/its-time-to-sink-the-pirate-bay-and-replace-it-090913/ , http://torrentfreak.com/torrented-pirate-bay-copy-comes-to-life-090820/ , etc...

  3. Buzzwords, because thinking is hard by Virak · · Score: 5, Funny

    This is cloud computing like buying another pair of pants is cloud clothing.

  4. In other news by FlyingBishop · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I have feverishly been engaged in whacking moles, and cannot for the life of me comprehend why they continue to pop up.

  5. Yep by petrus4 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Keep trying, suits.

    For every Web site you shut down; for every IRC server you pay to have DDoSed; for every eMule node you raid; five more will spring up in their place.

    You can pollute the edonkey net with malware; we'll move to IRC. You can kill public websites; we'll make private, invite-only underground darknets, that you can't see, find, or regulate.

    The society that you are trying to prevent the formation of is, in good part, already here. We will continue working to establish it, for the ultimate benefit and enrichment of all; ironically even you yourselves in the end.

    The end of scarcity is inevitable. You can attempt to stand in the way, you can slow it down, marginally...but you will not stop it.

    1. Re:Yep by MightyMartian · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The idea that the media industry should be different than any other historical industry is quite beyond me. The printing press pretty much killed one of the most ancient occupations of literate civilization; the professional scribe. I'm sure lots of scribes were pretty pissed that some asshole German and his machine not only stabbed their profession in the heart, but did it with what was really a substandard result (look at illuminated manuscripts and then look at the Gutenberg Bible, it's the 128bit MP3 of its day!)

      No occupation or technology is guaranteed infinite supremacy. No law can do it, not without extraordinary harm. Late feudal Japan tried banning firearms and other forms of modern warfare to stave off the collapse of the feudal system, and then by the Meiji period was bringing in every foreign expert they could to bring them up to speed before they became a two-bit colonial rape victim like China.

      What I'm afraid of is that the anti-P2P movement will become like the War on Drugs, an unwinnable contest, but one with sufficient amounts of money being made by the so-called enforcers that they'll just keep trying to stop what they know they never can, under the strange idea that if you can criminalize enough people, somehow they'll eventually stop.

      I think every country should adopt a new clause in their constitution; the "Stupid Ideas Tried Before Clause" that would have anyone who passes a law to try a scheme proven one or more times to be unenforceable to be removed from office permanently.

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    2. Re:Yep by vlm · · Score: 5, Insightful

      When making money from movies becomes difficult if not impossible, they'll just stop making them. That's what will stop it.

      Movies exist because movie theaters exist.

      Movie theaters exist because teenagers need a place to make out, place phone calls, text each other, whisper, eat, drink, and gossip. Sort of like an adult-free daycare for teenagers.

      That explains a lot about the quality of modern movies, they are little more than silver-"screensavers" going on while the real activity is in the seats.

      As long as the social concept of teenagers exist, it will be possible to make money from movies. The quality of the product and the money spent on them will drop until a profit is made. The bar is already low, and will soon be lower. So, no problem!

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      "Science flies us to the moon. Religion flies us into buildings." - Victor Stenger
  6. War on Drugs by Reason58 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This is similarly ineffective as going after drug dealers. This addresses the symptoms, but not the underlying causes.

    1. Re:War on Drugs by BenBoy · · Score: 5, Funny

      Kinda like having a war on dandelions by goin' out and kicking them every spring. "Hey, what are those floaty things?"

    2. Re:War on Drugs by Smegly · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is similarly ineffective as going after drug dealers. This addresses the symptoms, but not the underlying causes.

      Correct. But, like the war on drugs charade - it may start out with the "good intention" of stopping the undesirable thing, but before long cracking down and policing the controls will take on a life (and more importantly, budget) of its own. Then it does not matter if it is effective or not - as long as it seems to be effective to avoid massive outrage, and funding is continuously made available for those running the show to profit from it. With cracking down on P2P, one of the added extra benefit's for those in power to kick anyone they like off the net without due process - a powerful weapon in the censorship arsenal.

  7. Re:Eh Sonny? by Conspiracy_Of_Doves · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Strike me down and i will become more powerful than you can possibly imagine"

  8. Differing realities by alvinrod · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I think the media companies thought that when they brought the Pirate Bay to trial and won a conviction that it would scare everyone away from file sharing (legal or otherwise) and that people would go back to buying DVDs, etc. What really happened is that they generated a lot of news which basically informed countless masses unaware that torrent was even a word that they could use these things to get free movies, music, etc. off of the internet.

    It's almost a little bit like the Streisand Effect in that they're really only making the problem worse. If they really wanted to do something about piracy, stop talking about P2P and go after the people who are burning physical copies that they're selling. These people are actually distributing thousands of full copies of product for which they have no license to reproduce. That's a battle that the record companies, movie studios, et al. might actually be able to win.

  9. Re:Eh Sonny? by squidfood · · Score: 5, Informative

    "The more you tighten your grip, Tarkin, the more star systems will slip through your fingers."

    Yah, this sort of behavior should be called the Tarkin Effect, not the streisandeffect as currently tagged.

  10. Re:Sigh... by maharb · · Score: 5, Insightful

    While this is true to an extent, I can tell you that the average consumer knows something is wrong but they just don't know the solution. My mother is one of these 'average consumers'. She has no knowledge of torrents or P2P software yet she realizes the problem of "what happens when my digital music collection gets wiped by hardware failure" and thus refuses to buy into it. Saying that these limits only affect those that know how get around them is false. Anyone who has been subjected to an inconvenience due to DRM will have a negative view of how things work regardless of it they are a pirate or not. They just might not know about the potential (illegal) solutions or they may be unwilling to break the law and also unwilling to buy music (my mother).

    So these initiatives to stop piracy by the media companies may reduce piracy but they will not boost sales. This is the biggest reason the media companies are going to fail. They are trying to get non-paying customers to pay rather than trying to give paying customers what they want. In the process they are turning more and more currently paying customers into non-paying customers. What I am trying to say is that even if they stomp out piracy 100%, if less people are buying their music they have still lost the battle.

  11. Re:Sigh... by cayenne8 · · Score: 5, Insightful
    "You're an idiot.

    Buy a house and raise a family, then tell me how much disposable income you have. "

    You know...there ARE other choices don't you? Frankly, I've never really wanted kids...I'd rather have my disposable income to come and go as I please, travel, buy fun toys, chase different women, etc

    And even if you want to settle down and stick with one chick...not all of them want to be saddled with kids either. Face it, it is a choice you make. If you don't have a job making enough money for house, kids and family AND the fun things in life, well...life is full of choices, each with its consequences.

    Choose, and live with the choice and quit bitching.

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  12. Re:Sigh... by ultranova · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's the same thing with DRM - it doesn't keep the hardcore pirates off who are there to break it, but it surely keeps casual people from copying to friends and so on.

    Mmm... no. What DRM does is make it a nuisance to use a legally-bought copy, making a copy downloaded from a torrent site - which has been disinfected of DRM by a skilled team of professional pirates - superior in every respect. Even disk checks have that effect. And of people can copy games from their friends, they just need to get a crack afterwards.

    As for DVDs, every time I see an unskippable "you wouldn't steal a car" piece before getting into actual content, I can't help but think that if a bought car forced me to watch similar propaganda every time before driving, and a stolen one wouldn't, then yes I would steal a car!

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    Forget magic. Any technology distinguishable from divine power is insufficiently advanced.