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Feds Bust Cable Modem Hacker

Several readers noted the indictment of hardware hacker Ryan Harris, known as DerEngel. Harris wrote the 2006 book Hacking the Cable Modem, explaining how to get upgraded speed or even free Internet service by bypassing the firmware locks on Motorola Surfboard modems. He has run a profitable business at tcniso.net since 2003, selling unlocked cable modems. (The site is now offline.) Harris has been charged with conspiracy, aiding and abetting computer intrusion, and wire fraud. Wired quotes Harris's reaction: "I read the indictment — it's complete bull****. I'll tell you right now I'm not going to plead guilty."

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  1. What!? by sam0737 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I didn't RTFA. If I read the summary right, ya may be he can be charged with DMCA, Copyright violation or those stuff .But "conspiracy, aiding and abetting computer intrusion, and wire fraud"? WTF is that!

    It's like charging gunmaker with murder.

    1. Re:What!? by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's called "padding the charges to try to force a plea deal", and it's one of the reasons our justice system is so fucked up.

      Thousands of people plead guilty to shit they didn't do each year, because they're offered the "reasonable" alternative - accept a jail sentence of X amount, OR get 5x the time and financially ruined and never be able to work again because they had the "temerity" to protest their innocence.

      Welcome to America. "Justice" means jack shit here.

    2. Re:What!? by wizardforce · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The act of defrauding the cable provider is illegal but the instructions for the hack that may or may not allow this type of fraud apparently has legal uses as well. Tools are neither good nor evil, the manner in which you use them is what determines the ethics of using those tools. A shovel can help plant a garden and it can also be used for murder, that doesn't mean the shovel is evil, just the use of the shovel for evil purposes.

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    3. Re:What!? by XDirtypunkX · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Yes, but if you provide the tools while actively enabling and encouraging people, then you are aiding and abetting, which is what he was charged with.

    4. Re:What!? by Moryath · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Instructions on how to use (or modify) a tool are instructions on how to use or modify a tool. Nothing more.

      "Illegal" (e.g. not-street-legal) modifications to a car? Done for racing, confined to racing tracks, A-OK. Same thing taken to the street? Not ok. How about utilities that can help you repair your own X-box if it has a dead hard drive? Also plausibly able to "softmod" it, but repairing your own things is a legit use. Should it be illegal?

      Criminalizing the dissemination of information is ridiculous no matter what.

    5. Re:What!? by Xaositecte · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If they can prove beyond reasonable doubt that you sold bullets and a gun to a person you believed was going to use them to kill someone, then yes, you could be charged with a crime.

      Since there are so many legitimate uses for guns, and the gun lobby is so powerful, and it's nearly impossible to prove beyond reasonable doubt that you thought whoever you were selling a gun to was going to use it for non-illegal means, it's very unlikely for this to happen.

    6. Re:What!? by chaboud · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Criminalizing the dissemination of information is ridiculous no matter what.

      BINGO! As soon as you peel back the line on this one, you open up a grey area of ridiculous criminalization. The modem itself, modified, is like a VCR, a gun, a car, or a goat. Sure, there are illegal things that you can do with all of them, and some of them are really best used for illegal purposes (hint... not the goat). Still, that shouldn't make the provision of these things illegal. It's information or a tool. It's intent agnostic.

      Now, the instruction can indeed constitute participation in a crime, but telling someone to go do something is way different than telling someone how to go do something.

      Example:

      Hey, Joey, go kill that guy.

      or

      Hey, Joey, if you shoot someone in the face, they will probably die.

    7. Re:What!? by WilliamX · · Score: 3, Insightful
      No, technically he WAS guilty of the stated crime, he entered the premises with the intent to commit larceny.

      It's not that they charge crimes that were not committed, its that the overcharge the level of the offense.

      Huge difference.

      Knowing filing charges they know the individual did no commit would lead to sanctions and disbarment.

    8. Re:What!? by Fluffeh · · Score: 4, Insightful

      He was innocent of what he was accused of. Being charged with a crime that the police and prosecutors know you did not commit is being charged with a crime that you are innocent of.

      No, if he did in reality go there with the intention of stealing the $20 CD, in that state it would in fact be "Felony Commercial Burglary (Burglary being defined in California Penal Code as entering a premises with the intent to commit larceny)". The police simply dropped it to a smaller petty theft (at the same time making it stick without a costly court case) as it was indeed a $20 CD.

      I am probably in a minority here, but I think the police acted in the right way, the person got what they should have gotten. The punishment for petty theft for committing petty theft.

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    9. Re:What!? by narcberry · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I agree with the spirit of what you say, but I'm blown back by what you actually said.

      It's bad for civilians to prepare themselves to kill cops.
      If cops prepare to kill civilians, well, that's ok.

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    10. Re:What!? by evanbd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      He was innocent of what he was accused of. Being charged with a crime that the police and prosecutors know you did not commit is being charged with a crime that you are innocent of.

      No, if he did in reality go there with the intention of stealing the $20 CD, in that state it would in fact be "Felony Commercial Burglary (Burglary being defined in California Penal Code as entering a premises with the intent to commit larceny)". The police simply dropped it to a smaller petty theft (at the same time making it stick without a costly court case) as it was indeed a $20 CD. I am probably in a minority here, but I think the police acted in the right way, the person got what they should have gotten. The punishment for petty theft for committing petty theft.

      In the abstract I agree with you: petty theft should get the petty theft punishment. The problem, though, is that a smarter person with a good lawyer (aka money) wouldn't say any of those incriminating things, and would probably get a plea bargain on the petty theft charge. I can't see how it's a good thing that knowledge and money matter that much when the crime and the evidence are the same. Taking advantage of the unprepared and the poor to stick them with harsher sentences is not justice.

  2. It's NOT like arresting gun sellers! by erroneus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Gun sellers have powerful lobbyists on their payroll guaranteeing that the government will not interfere with their profits.

    1. Re:It's NOT like arresting gun sellers! by BeansBaxter · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to mention the second amendment. Its kind of part of the bill of rights.

    2. Re:It's NOT like arresting gun sellers! by mysidia · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was about to retort saying it's like arresting marijuana dealers.

      But then after a bit of thinking.. I realized... they too have powerful lobbyists on their payroll guaranteeing the government will not interfere with their profits.

      In this case, lobbying to keep it illegal. (Making it legal interferes with their profits, since it reduces the price, and makes it easier for new competitors to emerge)

    3. Re:It's NOT like arresting gun sellers! by SgtChaireBourne · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Not to mention the second amendment. Its kind of part of the bill of rights.

      If you look at the role of guns in the formation of the US as a democracy, you might see that computers are the modern-day equivalent.

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    4. Re:It's NOT like arresting gun sellers! by gmhowell · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've got a feeling that computers are more along the lines of the numerous printing presses out there.

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    5. Re:It's NOT like arresting gun sellers! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It's this sort of blinkered, ignorant thinking that got us the whole "Twitter can save Iran!" thing. How did the whole "turning your web page green in sympathy" thing work out? Who prevailed in the end, people with computers or people with firearms? Modern-day equivalent, my ass.

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  3. Re:WOW!!! The Feds must be really working overtime by mister_playboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Who cares? The powers our government have assumed for themselves in the name of "fighting the War on Terrorism" won't be given up even if they catch "Terrorist #1" Osama.

    Osama is more useful to power-hungry US politicians when he is free to roam than dead or captured.

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  4. Re:Welcome to the DMCA by MobileC · · Score: 5, Insightful

    What has the DMCA got to do with this case?

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  5. Re:This is not a crime by CSMatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

    As it is, when we have thieves in suits on Wall Street bleeding us dry like giant money-sucking leaches, contractors in war zones raping their employees and getting our soldiers killed, terrorists trying to infiltrate our borders and THIS is what federal prosecutors are doing with their time? Some joker modifying cable modems. You gotta be f'ing kidding me.

    What makes you think that the government is only targeting these cases and completely ignoring the others you mentioned?

  6. Re:This is not a crime by mikeken · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I never really understand the argument where there are more important things for such and such to be doing. There what tens of thousands of federal prosecutors in this country? More workers than work if you ask me... hmm... sounds like an economical fact.

  7. Not criminal? Prove it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I looked over the article, and now I'm curious. The Slashdot crowd usually sides with the techie on incidents like this, but is it really justified here? The popular analogy here is that it's akin to charging gun manufacturers with murder. Guns have legitimate uses, such as hunting, or protection. What legitimate use does a modem hacked/modified to access an ISP's services without permission have? A better analogy here would be a gun manufacturer who sells a gun, a kit to turn the gun into an automatic weapon, and detailed instructions on how to get past the security of a specific bank. You can argue that the gun wasn't sold with the intent to facilitate a robbery, but you can't do it with a straight face.

    Of course, I'm open-minded, so someone prove me wrong - tell me what legitimate uses these modified modems have. (Caveat: the use Harris suggested in the article won't fly, unless you can give some very good reasons as to why an ISP wouldn't simply use their own diagnostic gear.)

  8. Re:This is not a crime by WilliamX · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Completely irrelevant examples. The car was capable of it, and you are not stealing anything by modifying it. This is so obviously not on point, it is almost silly. Utility example is the same. As long as you are paying for what you use, there is no stealing of water resulting from you doing your own work. You really need to stay on point.

  9. Re:WOW!!! The Feds must be really working overtime by J_Omega · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Emmanuel Goldstein would agree

  10. Re:This is not a crime by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Modifying equipment to get a higher level of service than was paid for is, in fact, stealing. Morally and legally.

    Uh, no. Modifying equipment is not stealing, especially when its your own damn property.
    Using that equipment to steal is stealing.

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  11. Re:This is not a crime by JStegmaier · · Score: 5, Insightful

    More accurately:

    Car analogy.
    You go to the gas station. You go inside and pay for $20 in gas. You go back to the pump, and modify it to give you $40 in gas instead.

    Utility analogy.
    The water company installs a meter at your house, to keep track of the water you use and charge you for it. You modify the meter to only report half of what you use.

    Really, if you're going to use bad analogies, at least try to make them remotely accurate.

  12. Re:I wish I saw this earlier by tomhudson · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Simple - he's then in a position to prove his claim that he's a legitimate supplier of legitimate goods, as acknowledged by experts in the industry purchasing and using his equipment.

    Example:

    Your client is arrested and charged with being in the possession of tools to facilitate crime, specifically a pry bar, which is used by burglars, and a body dent puller, which is used by car thieves to pop car locks. Also, a mask with filters, so he's also suspected of terrorism.

    Your client then produces multiple invoices showing that he owns and runs a legitimate automotive garage, and those are just common tools of the trade - and the mask is OSHA-mandated safety equipment for anyone using a paint booth.

    Heck, in Texas it's illegal to walk around with a pair of wire cutters in your back pocket - "might be used for cattle rustling." So what are they going to do - arrest electricians on house calls? They're in violation of the law, but the application of the law doesn't make sense in that context. Electricians need wire cutters.

    In this case, though, he also posted a notice asking for a MAC address for a specific network. The operator of a network buying test equipment would already have these. That's an indication he's guilty, at the very least, in one specific case. He'll be smart to squawk loudly as a tactic to get a plea bargain, and that's what he's doing.

  13. The ignornance, it burns by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ok for one, the FBI is not the agency that would be going after Osama. The FBI is the federal government's primary police force. As a police force, they are concerned with domestic matters. They deal with things inside the US. They do not chase people in other countries, they don't have any jurisdiction there. To the extent they operate at all in foreign countries, it is as legal attaches and such to give advice and support to local law enforcement.

    Second, while this may be an alien concept to single-minded geeks, people and most especially organizations/agencies can and do work on more than one thing at one. Just because a group is working on X does not mean they cannot also be working on Y. You want this, particularly in the case of law enforcement. I mean my local police force has unsolved murders, a couple quite old. However I do not want them devoting 100% of their assets to that. I am glad they also spend time looking at current burglaries, assaults, and even simple things like directing traffic when a traffic light breaks. Just because there's an open murder case doesn't mean I want them ignoring all their other duties.

    Finally, it may amaze you to learn this, but there are plenty of places hostile to America that someone might hide. When the people there don't like the US, and when it is completely and totally outside of the US's jurisdiction, it makes it real hard to do anything there. It isn't as though Bin Laden (if he's even still alive, guy may well have died of kidney failure) is sitting in a house in New York. He's hiding in a Muslim area in a country that doesn't much care for the US, and probably who's central government doesn't have good control of things. Can't just walk over there with an arrest warrant.

  14. Re:I wish I saw this earlier by GameboyRMH · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If anyone starts looking for these, keep in mind that there are two types of license-plate obscuring devices: those that are illegal, and those that don't work.

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