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LaserMotive Finds Success In Space Elevator Competition

Bucc5062 writes "LaserMotive has achieved the first step towards the creation of a working space elevator by qualifying for the $900,000 prize in a contest sponsored by NASA. To achieve this first level, LaserMotive needed to propel a platform up a cable dangling from a helicopter at over 2 m/s. They hit a top speed of 4.13 m/s. The next level of qualification will be to achieve a climb speed greater then 5 m/s. LaserMotive beamed roughly 400 watts of laser power to a moving target at a distance of 1 kilometer, as part of the vertical laser alignment procedure. The target was a retro-reflective board a little larger than 1 meter on a side. The contest will continue for another two days with at least two other teams challenging for the prize. To win the Power Beaming competition, the LaserMotive system uses a high-power laser array to shine ultra-intense infrared light onto high-efficiency solar cells, converting the light into electric power which then drives a motor. 'Our system will track the vehicle as it climbs, compensating for motion due to wind and other changes. Building on our experience from last year’s competition, we are designing an improved system able to capture the full $2,000,000 prize.'"

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  1. Professor Myrabo at RPI by Gothmolly · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Leik Myrabo at RPI has been working on this stuff for years. In his words, if we can hit an enemy ICBM travelling at many times the speed of sound with a laser, surely we can keep one focused on a friendly target with a known/desired trajectory. These projects will NOT become accidental Death Stars. Given the absurdly high percentage that fuel makes up of a vehicles launch weight, anything you can do to power the craft externally gives you huge savings.

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    1. Re:Professor Myrabo at RPI by natehoy · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, they're basing the tests on a helicopter, so the beam is relatively small. So for the test, they could easily beam the power from somewhere other than the anchor point. Having the beam come from a different direction wouldn't invalidate the important concept of "can beam power from ground to power the platform".

      Not to mention, this test is based on a laser capable of delivering 400 watts of power to the target using infrared. Your average aluminum helicopter skin isn't going to vaporize under those conditions. Heck, I doubt you'd even scorch the paint.

      In the "real world" use of this, the suspension unit is going to be much further away and specifically designed with protective shielding. In fact, the endpoint might have solar panels pointed back to Earth so any "stray" IR could be caught and used at the station - though it's far more likely they'd have a solar panel up there, too, and beam IR down to the elevator once it reaches a certain point and the beam from Earth starts dissipating too much.

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  2. Uh-oh by Pete+Venkman · · Score: 5, Funny

    What if someone farts in the space elevator? You'll be stuck for way more than a few floors.

    1. Re:Uh-oh by natehoy · · Score: 3, Funny

      Small methane processing plant = more energy for the motors. Remember to load up on beans before you go onboard, and fit your flatulence intercept unit on your butt before you close up your spacesuit.

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  3. shouldn't they be able to design the cable also? by wisebabo · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Congratulations to LaserMotive and I hope that they (or one of the other participants) quickly claim the remaining prizes.

    Still, it occurred to me that the real system (capable of climbing to Geo-sync and beyond) won't be designed in a vacuum (ha ha). I mean, the cable on which these climbers ascend will be exquisitely engineered as well, probably down to the nano-level if it's going to work at all. So shouldn't the contest be that of a cable/climber combination? I mean like what if the cable or climber or both was using some nano patterned material like the underside of a gecko's foot (which lets them cling upside down to ceilings). Or maybe if there was some sort of nano (or not, I saw one made out of large metal bits) "velcro" like material in which case there would have to be hooks on one surface and clasps on another.

    As long as the surface of the cable didn't add appreciably to the weight of the (supposed) carbon nanotube structure, it could add tremendously to the gripping power of the climber while still allowing for a practical cable.

  4. Are we serious? by Kupfernigk · · Score: 5, Interesting
    The key word that's part of ICBM is "ballistic", from the Greek ballein, I throw. It's travelling through extremely thin gas, and its trajectory is therefore practically simple Newtonian dynamics. Its position from moment to moment should be extremely predictable. Now consider an object attached to a rope in the atmosphere. It's subject to constantly changing wind forces in three dimensions. Even when it's out of the atmosphere, the beam is subject to deviation caused by atmospheric effects, which is why stars twinkle and big telescopes need clever adaptive control systems. Its path is many times less predictable. In a nutshell, it's the difference between catching a lofted cricket ball or baseball, and catching a fly. It is not an object with a "known/desired" trajectory.

    The problem is, I'm sure, soluble, but the technical difficulty should not be underestimated.

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    1. Re:Are we serious? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 5, Funny

      Soluble, sure, but only in aqua fortis.

      Or did you mean solvable?

      Well Archimedes did say, "Give me a powerful enough solvent, and a large enough bathtub, and I'll dissolve the Earth."

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  5. They could but there is a problem, by Kupfernigk · · Score: 4, Funny
    The sun is effectively at infinity, so the reflection from the parabolic mirror will come to a focus at some distance from the mirror and thereafter diverge. This won't work. You would need, in fact, a large array of flat mirrors which were steerable so they all converged on the target, and continued to do so as it rose. This could be technically very difficult indeed. It makes a lot more sense to use electricity to power one laser which then only requires steering. You can generate the electricity with solar panels if you like.

    (A C Clarke had a story in which large numbers of flat mirrors were used to vaporise a football referee. Obviously, everybody holding a mirror had to steer it. In reality, the target would have been so bright they would probably not have been able to aim effectively.)

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  6. Re:shouldn't they be able to design the cable also by CopaceticOpus · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nobody is able to design the cable. We simply don't have the technology, which is why they're focusing on the climber instead.

    This is a bit like having a contest to design a cool hat to be worn while using an anti-gravity belt. If someone wins the contest, then we are one step closer to being able to float while wearing a cool hat - all that's left is the bit with the belt.

  7. "In a nutshell, by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Funny

    it's the difference between catching a lofted cricket ball or baseball, and catching a fly."

    to complete your allegory in terms of childhood classic movies, the solution to the problem is less bad news bears and more karate kid

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  8. Helicopters in Space by digitalPhant0m · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now we've just got to get the helicopter to drop the rope from space, and we're set.

  9. Mod parent up. by thatseattleguy · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mod parent up- right on. The cable needs to be made of "baloneyium" (as someone famously opined about the composition of Niven's Ringworld). Its composition and engineering are way beyond our current capabilities - not so far that it's not worth pursuing, mind you, but this contest does seem to put the proverbial laser-powered cart before the carbon-nanotube horse.

    1. Re:Mod parent up. by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Let's say that at our current progress it would take us 30 years to develop a way to manufacture the cable. Then let's assume that it will take 15 years to develop a machine capable of climbing that cable.

      Since the two technologies are completely distinct from each other (i.e. the solution will come from different industries) Doesn't it make sense to develop them in parallel rather than wait for the cable to be developed and then have to wait an additional 15 years for the climber technology to mature?

      I've certainly polished my shoes while waiting for the limo to arrive. If the limo didn't arrive, it would have made the shoe polishing pointless, but I wouldn't want to pay for a limo to wait while I got ready.

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  10. Now if only.. by nightfire-unique · · Score: 3, Funny

    ..we had some great engineers to rush this projects. :)

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  11. Re: a laser capable of delivering 400 watts by MRe_nl · · Score: 3, Funny

    Surgeon General's Warning:
    Don't look down with remaining eye.

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  12. Re:Good to hear. by FiloEleven · · Score: 4, Funny

    making the issue of getting out of our atmosphere a relatively dull process

    ...until someone creates space elevator music. Then it will become a dull, agonizing process.

  13. Re:shouldn't they be able to design the cable also by Beezlebub33 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Mod parent up: One of the arguments of the Augustine group against a return-to-Moon-first strategy is that we would have to first climb out of the Earth's gravity well, only to go into the Moon gravity well, and then have to climb out of that. If the space elevator would work on the moon (without unobtainium cabling), then it solves a large part of the moon gravity well problem.

    In addition, a moon space elevator will not have a number of the serious problems that an earth space elevator would have, in particular flying space junk (though there is some around the moon at this point), hurricane force winds, and terrorists. Don't think for a minute that a space elevator is not a juicy target for some pissed off group that knows how to fly planes.

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