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Antimatter In Lightning

AMESN writes "The Fermi Gamma-ray Space Telescope, launched last year, detects gamma rays from light years away, but recently it detected gamma rays from lightning on Earth. And the energy of the gamma rays is specific to the decay of positrons, which are the antimatter flavor of electrons. Finding antimatter in lightning surprised researchers and suggests the electric field of the lightning somehow got reversed."

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  1. Reversing the polarity of the electron discharge? by BadAnalogyGuy · · Score: 5, Funny

    The decay of positrons in the largescale discharge of electronic particles may very well lead to gamma ray emissions, however it is crucial to understand the energy output required to reverse the polarity of the discharge so that we can reproduce the phenomenon in a controlled laboratory.

    Or else the Romulans will destroy the Federation.

  2. Re:Reversing the polarity of the electron discharg by gravos · · Score: 5, Funny

    Reverse the polarity? Good god, next you'll be wanting to cross the streams.

  3. Re:just wondering... by slarrg · · Score: 5, Funny

    I thought it's purpose was eating baguettes.

  4. Re:Time to modulate the shields by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    What the fuck? You just graduate from the Academy?

    Modulating the shields leaves you vulnerable to phased weapon attacks.

    "The only way" is to reorient the tractor beam vectors to generate a harmonic subspace bubble around the vessel.

    Fucking amateur.

  5. This was first observed in 1971 by mbone · · Score: 5, Informative

    It’s a surprise to have found the signature of positrons during a lightning storm, Briggs said.

    No, it's not.

    There is a long history of observations and theorizing about gamma ray flashes from lightning strikes and ball lightning, starting in the early 1970's :

    Is Ball Lightning caused by Antimatter Meteorites?
    D. E. T. F. ASHBY, C. WHITEHEAD, Nature 230, 180-182 (19 March 1971).

    This has also been observed in connection with "sprites".

    And from thunderclouds without lightning.

    Oh, and it's also been observed from space before :

    RHESSI Observations of Terrestrial Gamma-Ray Flashes

    Now, not all of these reports include a positron annihilation signature at 511 KeV. But, 511 KeV emissions were explicitly reported from lightning in the 1970's. And, considering that lightning / thunderstorm related gamma rays are routinely observed with energies up to 10 MeV, there is plenty of energy to create positrons, and so I wouldn't be surprised if all of these reports included the positron annihilation line (or, at least the ones with sensitivity in that energy range).
     

    1. Re:This was first observed in 1971 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Did you stumble into this forum by mistake? Come back when you have some baseless conjecture or a conspiracy theory.

  6. Re:Electron-Proton Collisions? by mbone · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, you don't get annihilation from electrons and protons.

    You do get radiation, if things are energetic enough. If the electron becomes bound to the proton, you get emissions at one of the Hydrogen lines.

    If, for example, the electron went all the way to the Hydrogen ground state, you would have emissions at the limit of the Lyman Series, up in the hard UV at 91 nanometers.

    If things are more energetic, you will get electrons and protons combining to form free neutrons. These will decay (this decay is called beta decay) and release gamma rays at 782 KeV, but since the half life of free neutrons is 10.3 minutes, this will be really spread out in time and hard to see. Free neutrons have been directly detected from lightning strikes, so some of this is presumably going on.

  7. Re:"other means" would be more than "unexplained". by mustafap · · Score: 5, Funny

    >Remember: In science, NEVER be arrogant, or too convinced of your theories.

    Wow, you haven;t been around academics much have you?

    I recall an old joke:

    "How many PHDs does it take to change a light bulb?
      One to unscrew it, one to pull the chair from underneath him"

    --
    Open Source Drum Kit, LPLC deve board - mjhdesigns.com
  8. Re:Time to modulate the shields by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Just to steer the conversation back on topic, your harmonic subspace bubble isn't going to do jack to protect you from the gamma-ray discharge from an antimatter/matter conversion on it's perimeter. In fact it might cause a toroid-effect and trap the gamma-rays inside your shields, interfere with your sensors and might even take some crucial subsystems offline.

    Only a combined strategy of cryptographic spread-spectrum modulation of shields combined with aggressive targetted tractor beam vectoring can keep you safe from localized radiation effects and energy weapons. You really need to keep abreast of the technology in these matters or you could leave yourself, your crew, and very valuable data and equipment at risk.

    Posted anonymously for obvious reasons.