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China Lauds iPhone App That Spreads Gov't Views

angry tapir writes "China's film and TV regulator has praised the growth of an iPhone application from state broadcaster CCTV as the country looks for new ways to project its political views abroad. The free iPhone app, one of a growing number from Chinese state-owned news outlets, has gained 500,000 users in the month or so since it went online and is adding 2,000 new users each day, the State Administration of Radio, Film and Television said in a statement on its Web site. The CCTV app has shown 'favorable performance' and proven especially popular during broadcasts of major events, such as a high-flown military parade held in Beijing last month, the statement said."

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  1. Propaganda by Blue+Stone · · Score: 4, Funny

    Want to keep your citizens in line, with false statements and a warped view of the world? There's an App for that.

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    1. Re:Propaganda by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful
    2. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If it shows the cheesy WW2 movies that look like they were made in the '50s (Chinese '50s, not Hollywood's) for anti-Japanese propaganda purposes, then I'll download this app.

      Pure MST3K material!

    3. Re:Propaganda by Shakrai · · Score: 2, Funny

      Too bad MSNBC doesn't have one. Then we could get our warped view of the world from both political extremes.....

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    4. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hahaha, Americans think they have two political extremes! How cute.

    5. Re:Propaganda by LitelySalted · · Score: 1

      Don't you mean FOX news?

    6. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Hahaha, Americans think they have two political extremes! How cute.

      Hah, Non-Americans

      (Quick aside: The United States is a better fitting term for us than "Americans". There's two Americas, North and South America.. Our hat [Canada] and our beard [South America] often take umbrage to being lumped in with us)

      Like to think that they have some control over their home respective countries. They like to think that they are being represented by their governments, and that their interest is first and foremost. When it comes down to it, the rich and the elite people rule the world. No exceptions.

    7. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      But it's true! We have the Theocratic Fascists on one side and the Plutocratic Fascists on the other...

    8. Re:Propaganda by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      The parent of my post mentioned Fox. My counterpoint was that MSNBC is Fox News for Democrats. Watch Keith Olbermann sometime. All you have to do to convert him to Sean Hannity is change his talking points around a bit.

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    9. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      All you have to do to convert him to Sean Hannity is change his talking points around a bit.

      That's not entirely true. You would also have to give him a few million more viewers and a radio show.

    10. Re:Propaganda by Red+Flayer · · Score: 0

      Our hat [Canada] and our beard [South America] often take umbrage to being lumped in with us)

      Silly, South America is not the beard. Mexico is the beard. South America is the torso and tail (you do know the Americas are a bearded mermaid, not a biped, right?)

      To be fair, Canada's not really the hat, either. It's more like the hair, with an ugly growth of the skull sticking out (Alaska). The Caribbean islands are the spittle flecks on the side of our spitoon (the Atlantic).

      Wait, couldn't we just do a car analogy? It would be a lot less confusing.

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    11. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fucks News?

    12. Re:Propaganda by Beelzebud · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yeah and MSNBC also gave that liberal Joe Scarborough a morning show, and features liberal commentator Pat Buchanan about 12 hours each day.

    13. Re:Propaganda by pluther · · Score: 1, Insightful

      There is a significant difference in that MSNBC does not take the things its commentators, like Olbermann, say and then report them as news in its news segments.

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    14. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Just to spell it out to any one who is an idiot. The above poster was being sarcastic. Scarborough and Buchanan are both ultra conservative. Thus disproving the fact that "msnbc" is inherently liberal. Thus proving the Shakrai and the other poster morons. MSNBC dose have a few semi liberal newscasters but it dose try and give a somewhat balanced view. This is the complete opposite of fox "news" as it is all conservative all the time NO EXCEPTIONS .

    15. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I just had to post to tell you how funny that was. I think I might have hurt myself laughing.

    16. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Er... Are you saying that US citizens should not be called Americans because you think "American" refers to people of the Americas?

      If so... please don't ever write or speak again. Canadians are not Americans. Bolivians are not Americans. The term "American," in English at least, in a unanimously accepted standard (unanimous except for idiots) refers exclusively to the US, i.e., "of the [United States of] America."

      Other countries can be "of the Americas." There is no nice adjective that places a citizen or a country as belonging to the Americas. Maybe one day we can agree on Americasan or something. But absolutely not American-meaning-North-and-South-America. Canadians are North American. Bolivians are South American.

    17. Re:Propaganda by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      To be fair, Canada's not really the hat, either. It's more like the hair, with an ugly growth of the skull sticking out (Alaska). The Caribbean islands are the spittle flecks on the side of our spitoon (the Atlantic).

      I always though Alaska was a dick. I mean it is lead by a cunt right?

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    18. Re:Propaganda by MadnessASAP · · Score: 1

      Certainly USA is a once beautiful long since neglected car, one of those massive land yachts that got a 1/2 mile to the gallon, broken down on the side of the road. Canada is a high performance Ferrari driven by a platinum blond supermodel. And Mexico is a rickshaw.

      Disclaimer: I am Canadian.

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    19. Re:Propaganda by jitterman · · Score: 1

      Fuck/snooze? Depends on who I'm with and how tired I am.

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    20. Re:Propaganda by mr_death · · Score: 1

      It's a pity that Apple's notorious approval process didn't kill this propaganda.

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    21. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Faux news...

    22. Re:Propaganda by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Doesn't matter. Just put a dumb word-replacing tool in between, and change the background image, and you're done. The thought patterns are 100% the same.

      Likewise with extreme neutral and extreme center people.

      As if the space of (political) opinion were one-dimensional, absolute, and only had 3.1 default states... (.1 = neutral)

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    23. Re:Propaganda by abigor · · Score: 1

      Since when is a hat larger than the body it's attached to?

    24. Re:Propaganda by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      All you have to do to convert him to Sean Hannity is change his talking points around a bit.

      I think he'd need a lobotomy to make it a fair comparison to Hannity.

      Of all people, Shakrai, I didn't expect to hear moral equivalence coming from you.

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    25. Re:Propaganda by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      I'm not racist I have black friends

    26. Re:Propaganda by jmac_the_man · · Score: 2, Informative

      Protip: There are two countries in either North or South America with "United States" in their name, the United States of America and the United Mexican States. There's only one with America in its name.

    27. Re:Propaganda by Sebilrazen · · Score: 1

      This would have been a lot funnier if it were said before she resigned.

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    28. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      You've never been to Texas, have you?

    29. Re:Propaganda by Beelzebud · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You also aren't very logical. At least MSNBC allows conservatives on their network. Name one liberal host on a Fox News show, or one liberal that they give as much air time to as MSNBC gives to Buchanan.

    30. Re:Propaganda by zblack_eagle · · Score: 1

      I believe with South America being the beard the US was the head/face.

      In which case, refer to this

    31. Re:Propaganda by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Have you not seen Florida?

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    32. Re:Propaganda by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      yeah but i was trying to call America a dickhead, having the dick in the right place isn't as funny. Although Florida does pretty much who America fucks with, so the analogy is at least partly true.

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    33. Re:Propaganda by camperdave · · Score: 1

      Um... Just an FYI... They're both in North America.

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    34. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about Spaceballs?

    35. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Shep Smith is about the most liberal summabitch on Fox News, and that's stretching it. At most he actually asks hard questions once in a while, or actually makes a moral stand for something. More than I can say about any other corporate whore at Fox News.

    36. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, those are not corporate whores at Fox News. Those are republicans who are doing what their party orders them to do. Fox news is a nothing more than a front for republicans in the same way that Pravda is for Russian gov, or ChinaDaily and Xinhua News are for the Chinese communist party.

    37. Re:Propaganda by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 1

      Um... Just an FYI... They're both in North America.

      And are there any in South America that meet his criteria? Looks like his post is still correct.

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    38. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mao's Little Red iBook

    39. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but Keith Olbermann never claims he's presenting the news. He's a commentator.

    40. Re:Propaganda by jmac_the_man · · Score: 1

      I know where they are. But since we're discussing which country should be called America, it's important to clarify that I don't mean a country that the poster I replied to couldn't claim was an American country. (i.e. If France's official name was the United States of France, me citing it as an example here would be stupid.) If there were a South American country with "United States" in their name, that would make my point stronger. It still stands, though. Since there are at least two countries with "United" and "States" in their name, it makes more sense to refer to them by the other word in their name. Calling the northern one America and the southern one Mexico makes perfect sense.

    41. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Disclaimer: I am Canadian.

      Who would have guessed?

    42. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spaceballs? They are are down south, a little ways from Florida. What did you think that big lump of Texas sticking out into the gulf was?

    43. Re:Propaganda by Beyond_GoodandEvil · · Score: 1

      Yes, but Keith Olbermann never claims he's presenting the news. He's a commentator.
      O rly {insert Owl pick here} Allow me to quote Keith himself in a interview with Bill Moyers, "But, what I've done on the air in the last 4 1/2 years, and particularly in the last year and a half since the special comments began, is really journalism." Nevermind his attempting to wrap himself in the mantle of Edward R Murrow.

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    44. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US has an equivalent media:
      http://www1.voanews.com/

      With news in lots of languages. Chinese for example http://www1.voanews.com/chinese/news/
      Well of course the Chinese must be censoring that website ...

      France has "Radio France International", UK has a BBC radio channel. Etc ...

      Of course, Voice Of America and Chinese radios, web-site and apps are much more propaganda!

    45. Re:Propaganda by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When it comes down to it, the rich and the elite people rule the world.

      You must be talking about China. How very topical of you.

    46. Re:Propaganda by coaxial · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You are absolutely correct about Keith, but you know who's really bad on MSNBC? The "Ed Show," I can't even watch that show. At least Rachel Maddow is kind of cute, even if she's a lesbian.

  2. Holy fagioli... by blind+biker · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    And this app was approved by Apple? I mean, sure, Apple can do whatever they want on their playground, I guess, even be douchebags.

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    1. Re:Holy fagioli... by Nahor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And this app was approved by Apple?

      I applaud Apple for releasing it. If Apple rejected it just because they don't like what its content, that would be censure and they would be no better that the Chinese government.

    2. Re:Holy fagioli... by Silentknyght · · Score: 4, Insightful

      And this app was approved by Apple?

      I applaud Apple for releasing it. If Apple rejected it just because they don't like what its content, that would be censure and they would be no better that the Chinese government.

      Wait, are we talking about the same Apple that censors everything else that goes on the iphone just because they don't like its content?

    3. Re:Holy fagioli... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      I applaud Apple for releasing it. If Apple rejected it just because they don't like what its content, that would be censure and they would be no better that the Chinese government.

      So, Apple doesn't have a problem with government propaganda, as long as it does not show a bare breast or include a four-letter word.

      Good to know their priorities are in order.

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    4. Re:Holy fagioli... by Nahor · · Score: 1

      are we talking about the same Apple that censors everything else that goes on the iphone just because they don't like its content?

      All the more reasons to applaud when they do NOT censure.

    5. Re:Holy fagioli... by Nahor · · Score: 1

      http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2009/09/apple-denied-health-care-app-for-political-reasons-developer-says/ Too late for that idea...

      Just because they did censure another app, doesn't mean we shouldn't congratulate them when they do NOT censure. Quite the contrary.

    6. Re:Holy fagioli... by Gerafix · · Score: 1

      They're only doing this for the money, so it's not really something to applaud. Do you think the Chinese government allowed this to happen because they didn't want it to happen? This was intentional, and it's obvious people got paid to make it happen.

    7. Re:Holy fagioli... by Nahor · · Score: 1

      They're only doing this for the money, so it's not really something to applaud. Do you think the Chinese government allowed this to happen because they didn't want it to happen? This was intentional, and it's obvious people got paid to make it happen.

      What ever the "why", they did the right thing by not censoring the app. I applaud that.

      If they did it for the wrong reasons (very likely), then next time they may do the wrong thing (again). Then I'll boo them (and I'm sure it will happen sooner than later).

    8. Re:Holy fagioli... by mgblst · · Score: 1

      Wait, are we talking about the same Apple that censors everything else that goes on the iphone just because they don't like its content?
      Yes, this is the only App available for the iPhone, because Apple has censored every single other application in the world.

    9. Re:Holy fagioli... by mgblst · · Score: 1

      All the more reasons to applaud when they do NOT censure.
      Yes, just as we should we applaud people for not stabbing us, or shooting us, or kicking people in the head.

    10. Re:Holy fagioli... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, just as we should we applaud people for not stabbing us, or shooting us, or kicking people in the head.

      Thanked anybody lately? Did you find Mr/Ms perfect yet?

    11. Re:Holy fagioli... by thannine · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Are you trolling, or just being ignorant? If Apple censors one kind of political propaganda, but accepts other kinds, the accepting others makes things WORSE, not better. You see, if they deny all political content, fine, they just want to be un-political. If they want to decide which propaganda is OK (or if they're getting paid to accept certain propaganda), that's the worst kind of censorship. And we should congratulate them for this?

    12. Re:Holy fagioli... by L4t3r4lu5 · · Score: 1

      Disproving of content is a big thing for Apple, apparently. NIN app rejected due to profanity, even though song is available on iTunes unedited

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    13. Re:Holy fagioli... by MBGMorden · · Score: 1

      I can't agree on that one. If they're censoring then on principle that's bad as a whole.

      However if they're being selective about it and STILL allowing the political propaganda of the world's worst human rights violators yet turning things down like Google Voice or an NES Emulator, then I cry foul.

      They shouldn't be doing it in the first place, but if you're going to do it at least do it right. Kinda like a benevolent dictator. I don't want a dictator in the first place - regardless of intentions, but you can be darned sure I'll bitch a lot louder if they're an asshole rather than a nice guy with a lot of power.

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    14. Re:Holy fagioli... by Nahor · · Score: 1

      Are you trolling, or just being ignorant? If Apple censors one kind of political propaganda, but accepts other kinds, the accepting others makes things WORSE, not better.

      To me, it makes rejecting others kinds more unacceptable. But accepting is always a good thing.

      If one was to follow your principle and rejected a propaganda once and he would never be able to accept any propaganda ever after and would never be able to mend his way.

      If they want to decide which propaganda is OK (or if they're getting paid to accept certain propaganda), that's the worst kind of censorship.

      I agree with that. But the "worst" is in the rejection of the other propaganda, not in the acceptation of some.

      So they should be congratulated for accepting CCTV. But next time they reject an app on the ground that it's propaganda, then we should howler more loudly than ever before.

  3. Old News by SuperKendall · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Want to keep your citizens in line, with false statements and a warped view of the world? There's an App for that.

    Yes, we've seen that before. Important "news" from our Dear Leader!

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    1. Re:Old News by Shakrai · · Score: 1, Informative

      Yes, we've seen that before. [barackobama.com] Important "news" from our Dear Leader!

      You forgot to mention the part where they wanted citizens to "help us out" by reporting dissent directly to the White House. I guess they gave up on that idea though. Wonder what would have been the reaction if GWB had tried to do the same thing?

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    2. Re:Old News by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I don't Obama using apps for news is a big deal since there are plenty of other places to get news that have various points of view.

      If China has an app like this but is letting other news get through... more power to them. It becomes a problem when other POVs are not allowed to be heard.

    3. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh, I'm certain there will be a Hillary Clinton iPhone app developed which will alert iPhone users to "run with your head down" so as to dodge sniper fire!

    4. Re:Old News by FlyingSquidStudios · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because, of course, that never happened when he was in office, right?

    5. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't Obama using apps for news

      It seems you the crux of the issue.

    6. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think that's not really an accurate argument. The TIPS program while big brother sounding wasn't for political purposes, or even about political issues.

    7. Re:Old News by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      You forgot to mention the part where they wanted citizens to "help us out" by reporting dissent [brutallyhonest.org] directly to the White House.

      Dissent and disinformation are not the same thing.

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    8. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just a suggestion - if you want people to take you seriously, sources like that are worse to any centrist/left leaning person than Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck. Take a look at the headlines throughout the guy's page.

      Now, if you are trying to preach to the choir, go ahead and continue linking stuff from that, Michelle Malkin, and whomever else you want... but don't expect intelligent discourse in return.

    9. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, I met the team that wrote the app. It was originally a grass roots app, that when the Obama team found out about it, they officialized it. Furthermore, it was only for use during the campaign, so it's not an app sponsored by the federal government...

    10. Re:Old News by KillShill · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "If there were no App£e, we'd have one less evil empire" A derivation of Voltaire.

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    11. Re:Old News by Shakrai · · Score: 1

      The only disinformation I see is coming from the Democrats. Illegal immigrants won't be covered under the health bill? Yes they will -- at the ER for free just as they currently do. If you already have insurance you can keep it? No you can't. The Government is going to tell the insurance companies what kind of policies they have to sell. Want a high-deductible plan and HSA or flex spending account? Sorry, your out of luck. We aren't going to let you do that.

      The only redeeming thing is that it isn't going to see the light of day because the Democratic party is going to implode on the issue of abortion. Oh the irony. I love seeing the liberals all huffy and puffy about your "right to choose" while they try to advance legislation that takes away your right to do just that.

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    12. Re:Old News by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To be fair, the TIPS program was very different from (but could have been used similarly to) the current administration's "reporting dissent" program. The first was really geared toward terrorism. Obama's program is geared toward reporting those who might disagree with your "facts".

    13. Re:Old News by coaxial · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      The only disinformation I see is coming from the Democrats. Illegal immigrants won't be covered under the health bill? Yes they will -- at the ER for free just as they currently do.

      Are you arguing that that doctors should let someone bleed to death on the steps of the hospital?

      If you already have insurance you can keep it? No you can't. The Government is going to tell the insurance companies what kind of policies they have to sell. Want a high-deductible plan and HSA or flex spending account? Sorry, your out of luck. We aren't going to let you do that.

      [[citation needed]]

    14. Re:Old News by coaxial · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You forgot to mention the part where they wanted citizens to "help us out" by reporting dissent directly to the White House. I guess they gave up on that idea though.

      Spreading lies about legislative proposals aren't "dissent." Stop trying to paint yourself as a "freedom fighter." Real freedom fighters get arrested, disappeared, and killed.

      Wonder what would have been the reaction if GWB had tried to do the same thing?

      Like always, Republicans know how to do secret police right.

  4. Oppressed? by rampant+mac · · Score: 1

    There's an app for that!

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  5. Kommie Abomination by oldhack · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    You'll burn in hell for this, Apple!

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  6. on slashdot microsoft is worse than dictatorship by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    if MS made an iphone app it would be shouted down as 'propaganda' and tagged all sorts of horrible things.

    but the chinese red army puts out an iphone app... oh. who cares.

  7. Needlessly alarmist by CoolGuySteve · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "The UK's Heritage Minister has praised the growth of the iPlayer application from state broadcaster BBC as the Trust looks for new ways to project its political views. The free flash video streaming, one of a growing number from British state-owned news outlets, has gained 500,000 users in the month or so since it went online and is adding 2,000 new users each day, the BBC Trust said in a statement on its Web site. The iPlayer app has shown 'favorable performance' and proven especially popular during broadcasts of major events, such as a recent royal funeral, the statement said."

    But I guess "Chinese government streams television network to iPhones" wouldn't be nearly as fetching.

    1. Re:Needlessly alarmist by Vahokif · · Score: 1

      The BBC isn't state owned. Anyone with a television is forced to pay the license fee, by law, which is basically tax, but they have no government control.

    2. Re:Needlessly alarmist by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yes, but the BBC isn't really looking for "new ways to project its political views". In fact, it's ridiculously neutral compared to literally anything I've seen state-side (even NPR and PBS, which come closest).

      Reporting != indoctrinating.

      Frankly I'm not too fussed about the Chinese, everyone knows they won't be able to keep this up.

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    3. Re:Needlessly alarmist by CoolGuySteve · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't care about the BBC, I care about the inflammatory tone of the summary. CCTV is a network consisting of 19 channels, a small fraction is news that is favourable to the Chinese government but most of it is typical TV crap like talk shows, dramas, and cartoons.

      Saying that delivering CCTV over iPhone is a new way to project political views or some form of indoctrination is about as accurate as doing a find/replace of CCTV for BBC in the summary. It is needlessly alarmist, it's a troll written by someone who has never watched TV in China.

      I wish more networks would think about making their content available on the iPhone, state-sponsored or not. It's quite convenient. But if someone has an issue with CCTV's content or the lack of free speech in China, they should write accurately about that and not what medium it is delivered over.

    4. Re:Needlessly alarmist by RiotingPacifist · · Score: 1

      The Government have been known to manipulate the BBC trust when the head of the BBC is to critical of bullshit inquiries that say nobody lied in the run up to war. The BBC's charter is also periodically renewed by the government who could (but don't) say that they need to be more supportive of goverment initiatives.

      I mean in practice the BBC isn't state run media, but in theory they are.

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    5. Re:Needlessly alarmist by Angostura · · Score: 1

      Nowm I'm not actually bothered by the Chinese app, I'm all for plurality of opinion. But your analogy is poor. The BBC is not directly funded or controlled by the government, there aren't a growing number (or any?) state-owned news outlets. Apart from that - spot on.

    6. Re:Needlessly alarmist by Vahokif · · Score: 1

      The BBC would be totally nonfunctional as a party mouthpiece. It's not the same as Chinese state media at all.

    7. Re:Needlessly alarmist by JackDW · · Score: 1

      In a sense, the BBC controls the Government(!), because it has a major influence on how the Government's activities are reported to the people. If you want to stay in power, it's important to appease big media, and in Britain that's Rupert Murdoch and the BBC. We are fortunate that Murdoch and the BBC have little in common.

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    8. Re:Needlessly alarmist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even though many of the comments posted after this have a point - respect for the phrasing. We all so often chose to see daemons on the other side of the fence...

    9. Re:Needlessly alarmist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bullshit the BBC isn't directly funded by the government. The government is the only reason the BBC is able to collect its tax. Without government power behind it, the BBC would have to resort to attracting customers voluntarily - it would get a lot, certainly, but far less than it gets now. It's funded by the government.

    10. Re:Needlessly alarmist by master811 · · Score: 1

      No, you're not required to pay for the licence fee if you own a TV. You only need it if you wish to watch LIVE broadcasts, using it for watching DVDs/connecting to your games console etc is fine if that's all you do.

    11. Re:Needlessly alarmist by Angostura · · Score: 1

      By that measure, every business is government owned because it is government-made laws that ensure that contracts involving payment can be enforced.

    12. Re:Needlessly alarmist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      QFT

      I love CCTV and I hate the Chinese gov't's views.

      It /does not/ spread Chinese Communist views at all, and is a great station to learn about lots of things like Chinese culture.

      If people are using such a tone to describe CCTV, they should take a look at theirselves and see if they are spreading propaganda or not.

    13. Re:Needlessly alarmist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're likely indoctrinated enough in the propaganda that you don't see it. CCTV is RUN by a top propaganda official of the Chinese Communist Party Central Committee. So CCTV is directly controlled by the Chinese Communist Party, as a mouthpiece for the CCP.

  8. Value by Sarten-X · · Score: 1

    ...And nothing of value was gained?

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    1. Re:Value by AP31R0N · · Score: 1

      What is this question asking? It doesn't parse as an answerable question.

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    2. Re:Value by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      GP is a rhetorical question, equivalent to the statement: The real value of an iPhone app disseminating Chinese propaganda is nothing.

  9. iPhone sales? by Danimoth · · Score: 1

    I thought people were in agreement that Chinese iPhone sales were dismal?

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    1. Re:iPhone sales? by oldspewey · · Score: 3, Funny

      Yes, but now that the Chinese people will be purchasing them under communist party decree, sales should pick up nicely.

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    2. Re:iPhone sales? by Jaysyn · · Score: 1

      If the Chinese were truly communist there would be no sales to pick up.

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    3. Re:iPhone sales? by mgblst · · Score: 1

      So as soon as somebody writes about something on their blog, how does that translate to people being in agreement? You realize there aren't just two people in the world, you and everyone else? Most people grow out of this phase at about 4 years old.

    4. Re:iPhone sales? by Danimoth · · Score: 1

      I was more referring to the initial sale numbers which were reported as rather low by the media. I don't know about you but I never thought of Business Insider http://www.businessinsider.com/munster-china-iphone-sales-a-disappointment-2009-11 , and the LA Times http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-china-iphone7-2009nov07,0,4313958.story someones blog, as opposed to, you know, like, real journalism.

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    5. Re:iPhone sales? by skeeto · · Score: 1

      That's how The Little Red Book (Quotations from Chairman Mao Zedong) became the most widely printed book in the world. "The book's phenomenal popularity may be due to the fact that it was essentially an unofficial requirement for every Chinese citizen to own, to read, and to carry it at all times during the later half of Mao's rule, especially during the Cultural Revolution."

  10. Lauds? Really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has ./ gone sensational?
    New Flash:
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    Judge Slams Anonymous Poster...

  11. ugh by vvaduva · · Score: 1

    "The government statement also said promotion of the CCTV app on Apple's Web site in China was helpful for its user growth. The Apple site includes the CCTV and China Daily products on a list of recommended apps. "

    A red Apple, a hammer and a sickle...why do they operate in groups of three? One can read, one can write and one to keep an eye on the two intellectuals.

  12. NPR by Fished · · Score: 1

    Yeah, right. Next you're going to tell me that NPR isn't part of a vast left-wing conspiracy controlled by Barack Obama and Big Bird! (Big Bird is a euphemism for Bill Clinton.)

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    1. Re:NPR by Rude+Turnip · · Score: 1

      Juan Williams of NPR would positively bitch-slap you if you accused him of being left-wing.

    2. Re:NPR by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1
      Same with Mara Lies-a-ton

      It's annoying because the political correspondents on NPR seem even-handed, but it's all in the framing of their questions.

      They start from a really favorable (for the Right) framing, and then pretend to take a balanced approach on the arguments.

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  13. Double standard? by Beelzebud · · Score: 3, Informative

    So Apple has rejected apps that are "political" (an app about the cost of health care, for one), but they're fine with a Chinese government propaganda app?

    1. Re:Double standard? by diskofish · · Score: 1

      Interesting, citation?

    2. Re:Double standard? by Beelzebud · · Score: 2, Interesting
    3. Re:Double standard? by Abcd1234 · · Score: 1

      Who said anything about propaganda? It's just a video streaming service. Hell, by your logic, an app which allowed you to view Fox News or BBC programming on the iPhone should be banned (the former being "political" and the latter being "state run").

    4. Re:Double standard? by Beelzebud · · Score: 2, Informative

      The BBC is not 'state run'...

    5. Re:Double standard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Americans have a very, very hard time understanding the difference between "state run" and "publically funded".

    6. Re:Double standard? by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      I'm an American and I don't have a hard time understanding the difference...

    7. Re:Double standard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Time for a free tibet iphone app.

    8. Re:Double standard? by tenthkarma · · Score: 1

      Man, if only America had some sort of public broadcasting service that was perhaps partially funded by the government, then we'd be able to see the universal truth!

    9. Re:Double standard? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, right.

    10. Re:Double standard? by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      Amazing rebuttal, you really have command of the facts.

    11. Re:Double standard? by mjwx · · Score: 1

      I'm an American and I don't have a hard time understanding the difference...

      Then you understand that the BBC is not state run, it is an independent entity from the UK government with it's own board of directors.

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  14. Whoa... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

    Apple supports Communism.

    Support America.

    Get a PC.

  15. Oh, the irony... by DieByWire · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom, secure from the pests purveying contradictory thoughts. Our Unification of Thought is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people. With one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!"

    ...now delivered to millions on an iPhone.

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    1. Re:Oh, the irony... by noidentity · · Score: 1

      You forgot a link to Apple's 1984 commercial that firmly establishes the irony.

  16. Way to go Apple by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Now, you just have to report on the citizens to the feds, pay for the bullets to kill those that want their freedom, and then you can join the ranks of Yahoo and Microsoft in helping communism. And you can make a pretty penny in doing it.

    1. Re:Way to go Apple by Beelzebud · · Score: 1

      Apple products are made in China. I'm not sure how much more help they can give. Oh wait, I know. They can help distribute Chinese government propaganda. Something MS doesn't even do, as far as I know.

  17. This is what China does by BlueBoxSW.com · · Score: 1

    Not sure why anyone would be shocked by this.

    1. Re:This is what China does by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >> This is what Apple does. Not sure why anyone would be shocked by this.

      There, Fixed that for you.

  18. Apple won't approve of some apps domestically by phorest · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Cartoonist Tom Richmond was very excited about his new iPhone application project: He was approached to contribute cartoon caricatures of members of Congress for an app that would allow users to locate and contact their representatives using zipcodes and/or the iPhone's GPS capabilities. But then Apple rejected the app, after Richmond had done all 540 caricatures, claiming that "it contains content that ridicules public figures and is in violation of Section 3.3.14 from the iPhone Developer Program License Agreement."

    From Here

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  19. Big Bird by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's what Monica called Bill, anyway.

  20. Not a problem by WindBourne · · Score: 1

    China has several iphones clones that appear to now run the same apps. So, shortly sales of iphone clones will overwhelm iphones sales with the gov. approval.

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  21. Chinese Propaganda by bkedersha · · Score: 0

    Chinese Propaganda, yup, we got an app for that!

  22. What this article forgot to mention is by gsgriffin · · Score: 1

    that they are getting 2000 new subscribers a day...because they are forced to.

    I suppose they could also claim that millions are becoming communists too (birth rate, you know).

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  23. Apple censorship? by Ustice · · Score: 1

    Hasn't Apple blocked apps for political reasons? Shouldn't this app be blocked then? Honestly, I'm surprised that it wasn't required to be included on the device.

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  24. fanboyism much? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Insightful

    Wow. I remember Yahoo, Google and others getting flak from /. crowd for 'succumbing' to the chinese govt pressure and 'censuring' information. But here, Apple goes a step ahead and actually promotes Chinese propaganda and it's kudos to Apple??

    Way to go, fanbois, way to go.

    1. Re:fanboyism much? by Nahor · · Score: 1

      Wow. I remember Yahoo, Google and others getting flak from /. crowd for 'succumbing' to the chinese govt pressure and 'censuring' information. But here, Apple goes a step ahead and actually promotes Chinese propaganda and it's kudos to Apple??

      First, I'm not responsible for what others people, being member of /. crowd or not, do or say. I'm happy to have my own opinions.

      Second, propaganda is not censure. Yahoo and Google were flaked because they did the latter. They limited their content to what the Chinese government approved. Apple doesn't prevent people from getting other content, including CCTV. So the shame should be on the /. crowd to think it's OK for Apple to censure China but it's not OK when China censure other countries.

      Way to go, fanbois, way to go.

      Right, just because I agreed with them, I'm a fanboy. Way to go, yourself.

      As a matter of fact, I dislike Apple in general because they do censure and control too much. And that's also why I'm glad the rare times they don't.

  25. Re:on slashdot microsoft is worse than dictatorshi by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    You have to realise a few things. For one, even though it is biased coverage (just like every American news channel) China has every right to make an iPhone app just like the BBC has every right too also. And for the record, Microsoft did make an iPhone app called Seadragon that let you view and scale large images. And while there were a few jokes it wasn't called propaganda and even embrace extend extinguish wasn't even brought up much.

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  26. Apple + China: Birds of a feather... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Considering how they run the app store, is it really any surprise to see it confirmed once again that Apple loves totalitarianism?

  27. In other words... by nsayer · · Score: 1

    Today, we celebrate the first glorious anniversary of the Information Purification Directives. We have created, for the first time in all history, a garden of pure ideology. Where each worker may bloom secure from the pests of contradictory and confusing truths. Our Unification of Thoughts is more powerful a weapon than any fleet or army on earth. We are one people, with one will, one resolve, one cause. Our enemies shall talk themselves to death and we will bury them with their own confusion. We shall prevail!

  28. OMG! Chinese TV. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why not just put them in a shared location (like /usr/local/share/go ?)

    I don't see an issue with having the base libs in there.

  29. Re:on slashdot microsoft is worse than dictatorshi by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

    China has every right to make an iPhone app just like the BBC has every right too also.

    And Apple decides that access to Chinese markets is more important than the human rights of the Chinese.

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  30. Oh cool by gravis777 · · Score: 1

    Will have to look this one up when I get home. I enjoy CCTV9, and its, um, interesting take on international events. Plus, I just get tickled watching any international commercials! And their learn chinese language shows are actually pretty good.

  31. Did anyone else find it interesting... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

    ...that the name of the Chinese broadcaster is the same as that of the UK surveillance camera network?

    That's a fitting new association, isn't it? ^^

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  32. Stupid Americans, you cry four hour now! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You shut fuck up!

    I for one am looking forward to loading this app on my iPhone and learning how to integrate with the Masters who will take over when this pitiful Empire finishes crumbling away. You fat American pigs go ahead and shoot your inbred heads off, I will be heading to China informed and culturally aware! BITCHES!

  33. Direct Difference by SuperKendall · · Score: 1

    TIPS sent data to law enforcement

    Flag@WhiteHouse.Gov sent data to the President directly (or basically a group he controls).

    You figure out for yourself which is more concerning. That law enforcement is being sent data about potential security issues, or that citizens are being reported for not properly adhering to NewSpeak.

    Scenario to work through: News report that disagrees with presidents report on stimulus numbers. You report to TIPS - nothing happens. But you can and were supposed to report to FLAG as "inaccurate"....

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  34. Re:on slashdot microsoft is worse than dictatorshi by Miamicanes · · Score: 1

    In the interest of objectivity, there's one important detail that hasn't really been brought up yet in this discussion: CCTV doesn't have a monopoly over Chinese television. In most Chinese TV markets, their total audience share (for all of their channels combined) is about 45%.

    Make no mistake. CCTV is, in fact, the official TV network of the Chinese Communist Party, directly accountable to its ministry of propaganda, but it has to earn its market share the same way other commercial channels do -- by making popular TV shows. The difference is, where other channels might get creative with product placement (ie, someone on a sitcom ordering a pizza from Dominos, or drinking Pepsi Max), they do it with party ideology. Chinese viewers who hate the CCP don't watch CCTV, or watch shows and play drinking games (a soldier expressed his love for the country? Do a shot of vodka...) whenever they see something stupid and overt. Chinese viewers who are loyal & enthusiastic CCP members watch the shows, and act like elderly Americans watching "Little House on the Prairie". The other 85% or so of Chinese viewers just regard them as a bunch of channels they get from the satellite or cable company, and view them about the same way Americans see PBS, "family-oriented" channels (retch, vomit, gag), Fox, MSNBC, and Lifetime. The channels are there, to watch or ignore. The only real advantage they have over their commercial competitors is the fact that every basic cable TV package in China MUST include them, so if you're poor, they probably ARE your entire TV package. On the other hand, if you're *that* poor, you're not likely to own an iPhone... genuine, counterfeit, or otherwise.

    From a strictly business standpoint, Apple would have been stupid to say 'no' to the app. For one thing, in China, most of the elite & wealthy *are* CCP members. They might privately think Mao was full of shit, but on the other hand, they're internalized the party's beliefs to some extent whether they believe it or not. They DO watch CCTV, and would have been pissed/outraged if Apple had said 'no'. The REAL thing to watch for is whether or not Apple approves similar apps for CCTV's competitors, or throws out some lame excuse like "there's already an app in the store that does it".

  35. Re:on slashdot microsoft is worse than dictatorshi by Darkness404 · · Score: 1

    So we should instead simply let them live their lives without technology that can liberate them? Look at Cuba compared to divided Germany. Pretty much most of the free world blocked Cuba, so because of this Cubans have lived their lives under a dictatorship and not known much of freedom. China on the other hand will eventually break free of their current government whenever their government fails and problems arise because unlike Cuba, North Korea, and other countries China has many people who travel abroad, who are scholarly and are free-thinking. Why isn't there a revolution in China currently? Things in China are steadily improving to the point that the Chinese don't feel a need for a different government plan. When their government fails though, expect a revolution. Just like in Europe 20 years ago and Soviet Russia.

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  36. Pure Irony..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    FTFA:

    "In 1984, the iconic American company ran a popular commercial for its new Macintosh computers that said the machines would show users "why 1984 won't be like '1984,' " a reference to the George Orwell book about a society ruled by a mind-controlling regime. "

    Wow. Talk about shooting one's self in the foot..... But then again, what do you expect from a company that strives to maintain COMPLETE control of their products?

    So where are the Apple Fanbois on this one?

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    1. Re:Pure Irony..... by Concerned+Onlooker · · Score: 1
      "So where are the Apple Fanbois on this one?"

      Probably busy ignoring your post. It has been pointed out above that the app that everyone is so excited about is simply government TV being streamed to the iPhone.

      As for Apple maintaining complete control over their products, whatever. You can go ahead and install Windows on your computer and have Microsoft maintain complete control over your products.

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  37. o sad sad day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    as some one who is living in china i find it a very sad day that the same company that did that 1984 is now promoting this horible goverment !

  38. I hate to read Apple'S adv by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    To be honest, really really hate...........

  39. Has anyone here actually seen CCTV? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Has anyone here actually seen CCTV? My cable was out once and CCTV was one of the channels I still had. After watching it for a while I found it low key and educational. If learning about other people's culture, lifestyle and views are propaganda, then it must be.

  40. Very useful to anyone with a brain by Froomb · · Score: 1

    The underlying assumption here is that viewers of the world are so brainless that even the slightest exposure to CCTV will turn them into slack-jawed commie zombies. I've downloaded the app and anticipate that it will prove quite useful for a number of reasons:

    1. Local conflicts that don't make the international news. Often within China the national media are seen as "liberal" in the sense of less beholden to local, partisan interests. As a result CCTV frequently has journalistic exposes of shocking illegality out in the provinces: workers unpaid for years at a time due to venality, shoddy construction practices, rank corruption, etc. Not unlike the CNBC talking about exotic minor financial crimes unearthed by the SEC, while the kingpins of Wall Street crime are never mentioned, CCTC will only rarely expose problems in the major organs of power, but what they do talk about can make for riveting TV.

    2. Coverage during crises such as the Tibet and Sinjiang rebellions as well as natural disasters. By the imperative to fill the time available, the images, information, interviews etc. presented can be revealing as much for what isn't being seen as for what is.

    3. Coverage of the outside world. How China perceives flaws in the U.S. financial system, their annual report on human rights abuses in the U.S., their extensive coverage of African affairs all adds balance to what isn't normally seen in the U.S.

    In short, we're all adults, capable of parsing media on a number of levels. This is an excellent addition to the iphone.

  41. CCTV by jandersen · · Score: 1

    How many points do I score for guessing that the majority of this howling chorus have never even watched as much as 1 second of CCTV's programs? This is just some idiots that - once again - want to whip up some anti-Chinese sentiment, to prevent bad things from happening in case people start thinking on their own. I mean, that is how the people of America have been conned for decades, and why your education system is constantly under threat from "religious" groups; that is why Americans automatically think that "free market" must be good - despite all the Enrons and the current recession, which were the direct results of deregulation.

    Wake up and think your own thoughts, for God's sake; it won't turn you into a Communist overnight. Just don't be a sheep (or a cow - why do you think they called GWB a cowboy?)

  42. Hopefully whoever makes it by BitterAndDrunk · · Score: 1
    Charges an exorbitant amount, for the delicious contradiction.

    Free Tibet App: $99

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  43. iDon't Support Democracy by Bushido+Hacks · · Score: 1

    Funny thing about China right now, is that in order to run a business in China, you must have a Chinse partner working with you. To which, the Chinese have big plans for foreigners looking for cheap labor (NSFW website! though story is very important!)

    The question now is, do we still want to manufacture in china, if the Chinese government wants to force foreign companies (i.e. Motorola, Nokia, Sony, etc.) to hand over their Intellectual Property to the Chinese government?

    Personally, I don't see why we should outsource goods to China when we can manufacture them here in the United States or at very least Mexico.

    The chinese could very well install these programs on goods exported from China or posted in the App Store and Android Market.

    Now would be a good time to bring manufacturing back to America especially with the 10.2% unemployment rate and China's intentions.

    Of course, Apple won't do that. Apple would rather continue to manufacture a device that has be under lock and key so badly, people have died because someone lost the phone or some other moral implications. (Imagine if HTC or Motorola had this problem, their would be one hell of a controversy!)

    But as long as Apple continues to appease the Chinese with a steady revenue from a device that despite being so popular is really becoming a social control, the status quo will prevail...more so since they sell iPhones at places like Walmart.

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  44. Laud what? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The whole report is based on a small piece here: http://www.sarft.gov.cn/articles/2009/11/10/20091110153833740830.html, totally one paragraph, and it's under the section "News Abstract".

    You guys can really make a lot out of it. Great imagination!