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New Dating Sites Match People Through DNA Tests

The Installer writes with this excerpt from an Associated Press report: "A couple of genetic testing companies are promising to match couples based on DNA testing, touting the benefits of biological compatibility. The companies claim that a better biological match will mean better sex, less cheating, longer-lasting love and perhaps even healthier children. 'How many dating services can you think of where they can suggest you might have better children?' said Eric Holzle, founder of ScientificMatch.com, one of the first online dating sites to use DNA. ... The idea is that people tend to be attracted to those who have immune system genes that are dissimilar from their own. Biologists say the HLA genes of the immune system — which are responsible for recognizing and marking foreign cells such as viruses so other parts of the immune system can attack them — also determine body odor 'fingerprints.' And people tend to be attracted to the natural body odors of those who have different HLA genes from their own."

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  1. The company name is kind of disturbing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    "Incest Is Best Inc"

    1. Re:The company name is kind of disturbing by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 2, Informative

      The company name is actually Love Sciences, LLC

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    2. Re:The company name is kind of disturbing by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 4, Funny

      "Incest Is Best Inc"

      Well, at least it's better than the company that uses exact matches, called "Go Fuck Yourself, Inc."

  2. Hey baby... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Nice genes...

  3. Hmm... by shrtcircuit · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Yeah... Submit your DNA profile to a for-profit corporation that lets you do things with it through a web interface. Your info will never be hacked. Your info will never be sold. Your info will never be given to government agencies. Trust us.

    What could possibly go wrong here?

    1. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      Who cares if people have your DNA info? What's it good for? They can't use it to take your money or anything, you tinfoil-hatter.

    2. Re:Hmm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      While the science is still in its infancy, there are already a fair few bits of genome that your insurance company would probably enjoy having a look at.

    3. Re:Hmm... by Rob+Riggs · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's OK, a democracy will keep you safe. The voters always make intelligent & informed decisions!

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    4. Re:Hmm... by commodore64_love · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >>>DNA info? What's it good for?

      Watch the movie GATTACA where people were denied jobs (or vice-versa promoted) strictly based upon their DNA. The ability for bosses, politicians, whoever to just look at your "program code" and filter for the best candidate is dangerous. It takes away opportunity who may be slightly dumber, but with more determination and focus to get the job done. (Again I recommend watching gattaca... one of the best science movies of the last two decades.)

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    5. Re:Hmm... by Threni · · Score: 2, Funny

      No, Gattaca is a boring film. There's scope for a genuinely good film which tackles the same/similar issues.

    6. Re:Hmm... by ikegami · · Score: 4, Insightful

      But what about the idea that information MUST BE FREE?

      Information wants to be free. The claims refers to any and all of the following facts:

      • When information is shared, the sharer loses none of the information.

      • The cost of sharing information information is next to nil if not nil. It is an infinite good. In a free market, it's price WILL go down to zero (regardless of whether you think it SHOULD or not).

      • Information sharing almost always benefits society.

      But must information be free? No, not always. There is value in privacy, for example. So while your DNA information "wants to be free" doesn't mean you should "let it free".

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      You might be wondering how there can exist privacy if information wants to be free.

      Notice that I said the cost of information will drop to nothing in a free market. Privacy can exist by hindering the market for information deemed private. One means of achieving this is through the creation of laws that (artifically) raise the cost of the information (by imposing penalities for inappropriately sharing and using the information).

      Unfortunately, the legal landscape has not yet dealt with DNA sharing in any serious manner. For now, all you can do is hide your DNA. Once it's known by someone else, it's outside your control.

    7. Re:Hmm... by maxume · · Score: 2, Insightful

      There really isn't anything unethical about offering a specific service at a given price. Part of not wanting to insure people at risk for cancer just means that you don't want to take their money, not that you are trying to rip them off (that insurance companies can operate profitably today without genetic information indicates that they can probably serve people that they know are genetically predisposed, and if they can't, why should we limit the subsidy pool to their customer pool?).

      Inserting all sorts of weird government mandates into what sorts of information insurance companies are allowed to use just ends up with a situation like we have today, where they barely operate as insurance companies and instead operate as socialized medicine providers for small (compared to society at large) groups of people. Basically, it's great to work at a big corporation, because there are lots of people there to help pay for your medical expenses, but if you don't, go die in the street (see, this is the part where I do think the wealthiest society to exist on earth should probably go ahead and try to mitigate the consequences of bad medical luck, I just think that regulating insurance companies is a bad way to do it).

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    8. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You realize that the difference between Science Fiction and Fantasy is that SciFi is based on facts, and 'entirely' plausible, right?

      We can test DNA and do the whole gene sequencing thing, just because right now we can't decode all of them doesn't mean we won't always.

      Nature vs Nurture--yes, this doesn't take that into account, which is one of the major things that movie seeks to encourage us to explore.

    9. Re:Hmm... by khedron+the+jester · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I agree that it's not a science movie, but for different reasons: the moral I got from the film is that you can't sum up the whole of a human being by his genes, but that his will plays a part too.

      Hence (IMO) it's an anti-science film, since it tries to show the shortcomings of science and the problems of over-reliance on it.

    10. Re:Hmm... by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Your info will never be given to government agencies.

      If the government wants to get into the match-making industry, more power to 'em!

      Seriously, do you really think that anybody cares about your DNA information that much as to hack into this site? There's really nothing that your DNA can be used for that criminals or the government would even want it for at this point. You can't even perform identity theft with it! Is there really a large black market for this information? If someone really wanted your DNA, I'm sure they could get a good sample by going through your trash or other means. If the government starts collecting DNA from everybody, do you really think they're gonna go through a dating service as opposed to actually getting it from your doctor or from mandatory screenings? If we come to that point, you've already got bigger problems than this site giving up your information. So really, what could possibly go wrong here other than you going on a couple of crappy dates because DNA might not be a viable matchmaking opportunity?

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    11. Re:Hmm... by halcyon1234 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So... my DNA is information... and information wants to be freely shared and spread around?

      I think I've seen websites that have videos of that...

      ...

      They weren't free, though.

  4. Bias Filtering by decipher_saint · · Score: 4, Funny

    It's bad enough that I'm legally blind but now I can add it to the list of attributes that might reduce my chances of procreating (as if analyst and programmer weren't bad enough).

    Enjoy your gene pool, jerkwads!

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  5. Untrue by Mikkeles · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'The companies claim that a better biological match will mean better sex, less cheating, longer-lasting love and perhaps even healthier children.'

    They're lying.

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    1. Re:Untrue by tonycheese · · Score: 2, Informative

      No, the idea behind this company is that people tend to be attracted to people who have different immune system and proteins from them, something that apparently we can tell by smell. The biological reason for this is that our children will be healthier, literally, and everything is just a side-effect from our bodies.

    2. Re:Untrue by tonycheese · · Score: 5, Informative

      Here, Discovery Channel did an article focusing on Scientific Match and another company doing the same thing that talks more about the science behind it. But, like the Komo News article, it points out that it's not very likely to work with such a small sample size of both people and genes.

  6. Opposites Attract by dcollins117 · · Score: 2, Funny

    I don't think I would ever want to date anyone who even remotely resembles me.

    1. Re:Opposites Attract by maxume · · Score: 2, Funny

      So does that mean you would like to date a human being, or does it mean you would not like to date a human being?

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  7. READ THE ARTICLE by gurps_npc · · Score: 5, Informative
    For those of you that continue to think they are matching similar DNA, if you read the article you will find that they are doing the opposite.

    That is, they are trying to create "Hybrid Vigor" - matching people whose DNA matches the LEAST. Among other things this should reduce recessive traits. No more blond haired/blue eyed children, but also no more hemophilia.

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  8. Re:Offspring by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    Indeed - Wikipedia states that the US was one of the first countries to start sterilizing "undesirables", all the way back in 1907. Heck, Oregon had a Eugenics board until 1983...

  9. Re:Wait wait... by RJFerret · · Score: 2, Informative

    From TFA...

    The idea is that people tend to be attracted to those who have immune system genes that are dissimilar from their own.

    Which has been correlated to body odor, I remember from past studies (or a past study), and was referenced in TFA.

    But it's a well balanced article, they poke holes in it and share the 'just a money making ploy' contrary side of researchers who found happily married couples with similar immune systems instead of complementary.

    In similar news, I'm starting a match making service based upon environmental chemical exposures.

  10. Building up a smell/looks/DNA database by viking80 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I would like to see the result of this study:
    -Take the DNA of all freshmen
    -Let the males and females smell each other one by one (in rooms so dark that beauty could be eliminated) and have them rate each other.
    -Let the males and females see and rate each others looks (like a criminal lineup)

    Now throw all that into a computer to find correlation between DNA / smell / looks.

    Now you can build the database to match couples based on DNA. A lot of interesting research could come out ot it too. Exactly which genes likes which genes, and which detest each other. Are there some universally unlikable genes, and what do they code? Are there some universally likable genes, and what do they code?

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  11. The Olfactory Web by Darth+Cider · · Score: 2, Funny

    This is why the HTML 6 specification will include an olfactory tag, so that biologically compatible people can agree or disagree on the basis of body odor, rather than the meaning of their words. The W3C is also considering the inclusion of an IQ tag, to further facilitate meaningful communication. It is hoped that an advanced markup system will improve the basic functionality of the internet, while also mitigating many of the problems associated with the wrong people getting together online, for understandable but regrettable reasons. The W3C considers the biggest preventable threat to tomorrow's information exchange to be the population of children born as a result of those unfortunate online hookups.

  12. Selective quotation by Kell+Bengal · · Score: 3, Funny

    And people tend to be attracted to the natural body odors

    I think slashdotters would have this market cornered.

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  13. I didn't RTFA by MaXintosh · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I didn't RTFA, because I can proudly say that I was involved in the group that produced MHC mediated sexual selection studies that ScientificMatch.com uses to claim their rationale. A few comments: First, if Scientific match has any wits about them, they'll also consider other information. I don't think anyone's stupid enough to think there's a single correlate to mate selection. But the worry about people who are too different is poorly founded - MHC diversity is strongly retained throughout most human lineages. We've had negative frequency dependant since we were swimming in the ocean, and as a result, if you sequenced any given allele, you'd find that it's just as related to Gorilla sequence as it is another randomly chosen allele. My ex-boss used to have students do this as an exercise to illustrate the point. Because of this, you're just as likely to find someone very MHC (or in humans, HLA) dissimilar next door in these modern, mobile times, than you are in, say, in a distant country.

    Second: They're only (to my knowledge) matching at MHC for disassortative matings, not the rest of the Genome. How is this better than picking someone based on hobbies? Because research actually shows that mating patterns in humans follows this pattern. It is a bit of a crock, since the odds of you picking two people at random with similar MHC complements is low, but let's not get into that. ;)

    Finally, let me just say, I'm proud that so much scientific blood, sweat and tears into understanding the maintenance of the immune system, and what drives host-parasite co-evolution, has been distilled into an online dating site. Forget having worked with a Nobel laureate, this the highest honour a scientist can know. ;)

    1. Re:I didn't RTFA by mrsurb · · Score: 5, Funny

      I don't think anyone's stupid enough to think there's a single correlate to mate selection.

      I think you underestimate the market-share of stupid.

    2. Re:I didn't RTFA by dr2chase · · Score: 2, Insightful

      So you figure dissimilar in the immune system, but similar on the sweet-ride preference?

  14. Alcohol is the best environmental chemical. by Behrooz · · Score: 5, Funny

    In similar news, I'm starting a match making service based upon environmental chemical exposures.

    Hey, exposure to ethyl alcohol is strongly correlated to time of conception for a majority of slashdotters.

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  15. Re:Matching DNA? Oh, sweet... by Yvan256 · · Score: 2, Funny

    And here I thought Smurfs were only a cartoon.

  16. Re:Offspring by MightyMartian · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Indeed, but even the Spartans tried to select for some sort of meaningful attribute, as opposed to "poor", "Catholic", "black" and so on.

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  17. Re:So they Suck your Dick first???? PERFECT! by gestalt_n_pepper · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now *that's* marketing!

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  18. Re:Gattaca? by anomnomnomymous · · Score: 2, Funny

    A cat tag!

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  19. Re:oh and by umghhh · · Score: 3, Insightful

    why would anyone want a lifetime membership if the company were successful?

  20. Re:Offspring by jcr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There's a lot of potential good that can happen from deliberate changes to how we select mates.

    The key word is "we". WE choose, not anyone else. If you're talking about individuals picking and choosing their spouses, that's their own business. Once you move from that to outside forces choosing for them, it's evil.

    -jcr

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  21. Badass = sexy by DavMz · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The football team captain will get the girls.
    This was "demonstrated" on a japanese tv show: they had one of the animators of the show and a stunt actor running for 10min to make them sweat and thus emit more pheromones, before putting them in separate boxes with a hole at chest level and had them removing their shirts. Then, six girls were asked to smell them and designate which was the most sexy (without knowing who was in which box). All six of them chose the stunt actor. Apparently, girls are attracted to "bad guys", because they would have more manly pheromones.
    (Note: I am neither a biologist nor a native japanese speaker so I might have missed something...)