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How Augmented Reality Browsers Stack Up For Navigating London

We've mentioned the tantalizing possibilities of augmented reality here several times, including Microsoft's stab (using scene recognition) as an information overlay for cell phones, and some display technologies that could make a Terminator-style information overlay on the real world possible without even looking down at a screen, including both glasses with microdisplays and contact lenses. An anonymous reader points to this two-part review of several cell phone apps, in which the writer has "tested several mobile augmented reality browsers and their ability to find places to eat and function as a tourist guide by identifying tourist attractions in London," writing, "This is the first review I have seen where all the browsers have been compared together; what's interesting is all the browsers use different data sources, and so either miss popular locations or give the wrong location."

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  1. Hrmm by acehole · · Score: 2, Funny

    So I should take an extra pair of boots, clothes and a spare motorcycle incase a naked guy walks into the same bar I'm in at the time then?

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    1. Re:Hrmm by JustOK · · Score: 2, Informative

      don't forget your towel.

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  2. Coming maybe but definitely not here by chazchaz101 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The fact that the review ends with "it’s sometimes easier to find the object on the map view first, that way when you switch the camera view it’s selected and saves you searching around." is a clear sign that so called augmented reality really isn't there when it comes to its primary promised benefit of making information about one's location trivially easy to access.

    1. Re:Coming maybe but definitely not here by Fred_A · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The fact that the review ends with "it’s sometimes easier to find the object on the map view first, that way when you switch the camera view it’s selected and saves you searching around." is a clear sign that so called augmented reality really isn't there when it comes to its primary promised benefit of making information about one's location trivially easy to access.

      Or you could just get "Lonely Planet London" (or whatever), save on roaming fees and have all of the data available at the flip of a page without ever worrying about the battery charge or looking like a dork (although your cover might be blown and you might be flagged as a tourist).

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  3. Greed Strikes again! by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Interesting

    "This is the first review I have seen where all the browsers have been compared together; what's interesting is all the browsers use different data sources, and so either miss popular locations or give the wrong location."

    Obviously. This is what happens when a bunch of separate teams all determined to own ALL the pie reach for it at the same time. Everyone gets a part but they also all leave some filling behind in the pan in the rush.

    Imagine how much more complete the picture would be if the children all cooperated and worked together on the database content, developed the communication protocols for that database together, and gave each other free license to use them. Then differentiated themselves from the competition with the interface, hardware (if applicable), price, etc.

    1. Re:Greed Strikes again! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 3, Insightful
      Great idea. So instead of letting them fight it out by trying to top each other with features, they can spend all of their time squabbling due to different design philosophies and politics.

      The technology is immature, of course it's rather worthless in its present state. Of what use is a 3-year-old?

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    2. Re:Greed Strikes again! by SeaFox · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Go back and read what I said again.

      The interface and features were where they would be competing on. It's the basic listings of stuff and the communication method to this information that would be shared. Something as simple as "where is this business actually located" or even "does it really exist" are not things that should vary from company to company. If they want to cross-reference to their own personal listings of reviews for restaurant x or a movie ticket purchasing portal for theater y they can still do that. The simple nuts and bolts of what is what can be shared for more accurate information though, and that benefits all parties involved.

      It's the separate companies' pigheaded insistence they can reinvent the map in a way where they get to own it that is keeping this from happening.

    3. Re:Greed Strikes again! by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 2, Informative
      I've done the same thing myself, a database of venues that was then published. Listings are not easy and keeping them current is a constant struggle. I tell you what, after I did all that work tracking down names, addresses, verifying the info, removing venues that closed, adding new ones, I don't want anyone taking my hard work and applying it to their product. Fuck them, they can pay me. A lot. Would it be nice if everyone cooperated and shared and it was caring time all day long? Sure. Is it going to happen? No.

      You're not thinking about what would benefit the businesses. You're thinking about a scenario that would benefit you. Pretty selfish for a guy advocating communalism and cooperation over the survival of the fittest.

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    4. Re:Greed Strikes again! by SeaFox · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Listings are not easy and keeping them current is a constant struggle. I tell you what, after I did all that work tracking down names, addresses, verifying the info, removing venues that closed, adding new ones, I don't want anyone taking my hard work and applying it to their product. Fuck them, they can pay me.

      Have you considered that "paying" isn't always done with money? It can be done with an exchange of information instead. Kind of like how the internet backbone networks have peering agreements with each other rather than asking each other to pay for the data they transfer by the GB.

      You're not thinking about what would benefit the businesses. You're thinking about a scenario that would benefit you. Pretty selfish for a guy advocating communalism and cooperation over the survival of the fittest.

      Each business would require less resources to keep their information up to date if they weren't all duplicating each other's work on the same geographic area. Or even if they did, the info would be more up to date since multiple groups would be doing occasional verification of the info.

      Yeah, this wouldn't benefit businesses at all...

    5. Re:Greed Strikes again! by Marcika · · Score: 2, Informative

      Imagine how much more complete the picture would be if the children all cooperated and worked together on the database content, developed the communication protocols for that database together, and gave each other free license to use them. Then differentiated themselves from the competition with the interface, hardware (if applicable), price, etc.

      As far as I understand, most of these gizmos use the geolocation data from Wikipedia for their services -- so people already cooperate on the content. (And give it to everyone for free, too!) The crappiness of these apps just demonstrate that each of them is bad at parsing the WP database in its own way (compare for instance Google Maps with the Wikipedia layer enabled - it is much better).

  4. I wouldn't start there by ICantFindADecentNick · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's an interesting test looking for something you know, but you do have to be careful extrapolating the quality of the data from some edge cases. For those who don't know London well, Barkingside is an eastern suburb about 15 miles from the centre, where a lot of the original "East Enders" moved after the war. If you did a similar test for New York you'd be doing something out past Newark NJ. It's not exactly where you'd start your mapping effort.

  5. Explanatory paraphrase by Mathinker · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've done the same thing myself writing a lot of code. Debugging was not easy and keeping it current is a constant struggle. I tell you what, after I did all that work tracking down bugs, doing QA, removing obsolete features, adding new ones, I don't want anyone taking my hard work and applying it to their product. Fuck them, they can pay me. A lot. Would it be nice if everyone cooperated and shared and it was caring time all day long? Sure. Is it going to happen? No.

    Yet some businesses, in certain circumstances, believe it is beneficial to them to publish their work as open-source. You should make a better argument than "in my personal case I didn't think it was worthwhile". It's obvious in your case that there wasn't any upside to you. Wouldn't you have reconsidered sharing your data with someone who had the capability of publishing in a way you couldn't (easily, at least; perhaps, say, on the iPhone?) and having him share profits with you?

    The cooperation proposed by the poster you replied to wasn't necessarily based on businesses getting in touch with their spiritual/sharing/whatever side. If you wanted to refute his argument, you should have said that "maintaining the data is much harder than generating better interfaces or hardware devices, so there is little incentive for the companies to cooperate in this way". That's actually what you meant, right?

  6. The visual clue by westlake · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The machine would just "know" the stuff shown, without having to use a visual overlay..

    The machine will know but the audience won't.

    That's why HUDs are used in Wall-E - and - more subtly - one of the reasons why Auto has to work the bridge controls manually.

    The Captain needs to know what he is doing. The audience needs to know what he is doing.

  7. London's easy by PPH · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A wallet card with "Look RIGHT before crossing" and "Mind the gap" should suffice.

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