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New Theory of Gravity Decouples Space & Time

eldavojohn writes "Petr Horava, a physicist at the University of California in Berkeley, has a new theory about gravity and spacetime. At high energies, it actually snips any ties between space and time, yet at low energies devolves to equivalence with the theory of General Relativity, which binds them together. The theory is gaining popularity with physicists because it fits some observations better than Einstein's or Newton's solutions. It better predicts the movement of the planets (in an idealized case) and has a potential to create the illusion of dark matter. Another physicist calculated that under Horava Gravity, our universe would experience not a Big Bang but a Big Bounce — and the new theory reproduces the ripples from such an event in a way that matches measurements of the cosmic microwave background."

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  1. And FTL, too by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Special relativity, of course, forbids sending information faster than light. A theory supplanting the space-time unification of General Relativity would also supplant special relativity, and hence might not have that limitation. Here's an inteersting tidbit from the article: "Gia Dvali, a quantum gravity expert at CERN, remains cautious. A few years ago he tried a similar trick, breaking apart space and time in an attempt to explain dark energy. But he abandoned his model because it allowed information to be communicated faster than the speed of light."

    I'd call that a feature, not a bug!

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    1. Re:And FTL, too by Culture20 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      "But he abandoned his model because it allowed information to be communicated faster than the speed of light."
      I'd call that a feature, not a bug!

      Exactly! "Oh no, my theory doesn't match the theory it's replacing!" Well, experiment, dummy! Did Einstein say "oh no, my theory allows light rays to bend and makes C the absolute speed!"? No! He got together with other scientists in 1919 and watched starshine bend around an eclipse.

    2. Re:And FTL, too by realityimpaired · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Actually, faster-than-light transmission of information has already been observed in science.

      It's a long way from observing and indirectly influencing quantum entanglement to a Star Trek-esque subspace communication, but the fact that Quantum Entanglement exists in the first place lends credence to the notion that c is not a hard limit, or at least, that it's not a hard limit outside of the 4 dimensions that we can observe.

    3. Re:And FTL, too by megamerican · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Remember, faster than light means time travel (&, thus, causality violations), so I can understand caution. But, I bet in reality his theory had more serious problems.

      If his theory is correct and space and time are decoupled then faster than light travel wouldn't allow you to travel back in time.

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    4. Re:And FTL, too by PuckSR · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, HE DID!

      He added the cosmological constant to his general theory of relativity, because if he followed his models...it indicated that the universe was expanding.
      Einstein didn't like the idea that it was expanding(because it didn't fit the current thinking), so he added the cosmological constant to his equations to make the universe "static".

      so, even Einstein fell prey to conventional wisdom and thinking.

    5. Re:And FTL, too by HTH+NE1 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You have two things quantumly entangled. You tickle either one, they both laugh. But if can only observe one at a time, if one laughs without being tickled, you don't know whether it was because the other was tickled or if it laughed spontaneously until you observe the other being tickled. There's no way to confirm the laughter as FTL information from the future unless and until you observe the future.

      It may be that they only both laugh when you can observe them both. Your observation entangles them and bridges the FTL transmission classically.

      I'd like to see the experiment where they're entangled, one is dropped through a black hole's event horizon, and you observe the result on the other. Time compression should have an interesting effect on the half-life of the retained entangled one until it crosses the EH.

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  2. String Theory by Statecraftsman · · Score: 4, Interesting

    So does this compete with string theory or have a chance modifying it to an eventual theory of everything?

  3. Re:Not again by Rand310 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yep. It's called the Correspondence Principle when applied to quantum/classical mechanics. Basically, Newton's equations 'fall out' of Einstein's when you assume the speed of light is a big number relative to all other speeds.
    Recently, paradigms in physics have been interesting in this respect as the new perfectly subsume the prior in their limits. I am not sure that this is a tautology of science, but it is an elegant means of progression.

  4. Re:Spooky action at a distance? by jpmorgan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Spooky action at a distance doesn't need any finagling to get around lightspeed, because spooky action at a distance doesn't involve any communication. It's already compatible with general relativity (at least, insofar as any quantum theory is compatible with relativity).

    A flawed, but illustrative example that should explain why this is so: imagine you have a friend who is flipping a coin... if it comes up heads, he writes an X on two sheets of paper, if it comes up tails, he writes a checkmark on both instead. Both are immediately sealed inside envelopes and mailed to opposites sides of the planet. If you open one letter and see an X, you instantly know the other has an X also. That doesn't require any communication.

    A slightly less flawed, and still illustrative extension: Now instead of a coin flip, you have a machine do it based on the decay of a mass of cesium, and you have a perfect envelope which protects against quantum decoherence. The same situation applies, as soon as you open one envelope you know what is contained in the other. The only difference this time is that the letters were entangled and in a superposition of states. However, it's the same mechanism, and no communication is required.