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Wikileaks Publishes 500,000 9/11 Pager Messages

An anonymous reader writes "Wikileaks is preparing to release 500,000 intercepted pager messages from a 24-hour period encompassing the September 11 terrorist attacks. The messages show emergency services springing into action and computer systems sending automated messages as buildings collapse. Wikileaks implies this data came from an organised collection effort."

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  1. Re:News to me by DJ+Jones · · Score: 3, Informative
    Most hospital physicians still use them for a few reasons.
    • There are no dead zones
    • They are easier to page than a cell phone (any nurse can pick up the nearest land line, no need to text)
    • They don't interfere with medical equipment (which is becoming less of a concern lately)
  2. Lizards? by jDeepbeep · · Score: 4, Informative

    What next 7 foot lizards are real now?

    Yes.

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  3. Re:News to me by oodaloop · · Score: 4, Informative

    Plus they are the only comm devices allowed in classified facilities.

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  4. Re:So much raw data by megamerican · · Score: 5, Informative

    Every conspircay theorist in the world just simultaneously orgasmed. All those messages to pick through; I'm sure they'll be able to prove it was the US Government/Al-Qaeda/Joseph Fritzel/The Cookie Monster/Scientologists all along.

    The NORAD tapes, which were released long ago proved that there was a conspiracy by The Pentagon to lie to the 9/11 Commission and the American people. The 9/11 Commission had a closed meeting deciding whether or not to charge Air Force officials with perjury but chose not to because "it wouldn't be good for the country."

    John Farmer, senior counsel on the 9/11 Commission said, "at some level of the government, at some point in time...there was an agreement not to tell the truth about what happened [during 9/11]"

    6 of the 10 Commissioners have come out saying that they were lied to and that the report is not accurate.
    http://patriotsquestion911.com/

    “More than one-quarter of all footnotes in the 9/11 Report refer to CIA interrogations of al Qaeda operatives subjected to the now-controversial interrogation techniques,” writes former NBC producer Robert Windrem in The Daily Beast. “In fact, information derived from the interrogations was central to the 9/11 Report’s most critical chapters, those on the planning and execution of the attacks.”

    We've been lied to about 9/11 from day one. It needs to be investigated further. If 6 out of the 10 Commissioners are distancing themselves from the report by saying they were lied to something isn't right. Burying your head deeper into the sand won't help.

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  5. Pagers were working? by wandazulu · · Score: 4, Informative

    I thought pagers used the cell networks a la text messages; indeed, I thought a pager was essentially a dedicated text message device.

    I was in NYC on Sept 11 and the only thing that *was* working that day was the Internet...phones, both land line and cell were unavailable. We were trying to contact my brother-in-law who lived in Manhattan (we were in Brooklyn) and every phone we tried, including the pay phone down the street (still had 'em back then...) gave us the "fast busy signal", indicating "We didn't even try to make your call..."

    So we spent the rest of the day IM'ing people as that was the only way to verify who was where. Bad times...bad times.

  6. Re:News to me by JWSmythe · · Score: 3, Informative

        At one place I worked years ago, we used pagers. As cell phones became more popular, we stared switching over to them. Every once in a while, we'd test to see which ones worked better. Text messages emailed to the phones were usually faster than the alphanumeric pagers. In time, we ditched the pagers entirely, since they were slower to receive, and we felt silly carrying around too many devices.

        For completeness of coverage, the messages were sent to 5 different people via two methods each. Usually it was email and phone. If there was an emergency, and no admins checked in, the phone calls started going out. Most events were handled in 5 minutes, even if the primary person was unavailable. That wasn't bad considering not everything happened during normal working hours. Actually, most emergencies didn't happen during normal working hours. That would have made them too easy. :)

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  7. Re:News to me by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Informative

    There are no dead zones

    Not true. They're RF devices and suffer the same limitations as any other radio receiver. With most pagers, they are not bidirectional and so if you are in a dead zone the person sending the message does not get any notification that the delivery failed or was delayed.

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  8. Re:News to me by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    SMS is more reliable in this sense than a pager message. If a receiving mobile is out of radio range then it will be buffered for retransmit. Pagers are receive-only devices and don't send acknowledgements, so if they are out of range when the message is sent the message is permanently lost. My father used to have a pager but his company switched to sending SMS because at least then he'd get messages late, while previously he would sometimes never get them.

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  9. Re:So much raw data by smooth+wombat · · Score: 5, Informative

    Stop it. Just stop it. Not only are you a coward by posting anonymously, but the nine mile debris field has been debunked REPEATEDLY, including by police officers on the scene.

    The nine mile debris field consisted of bits of paper which may or may not have been from the flight when it impacted in the field.

    Further, that nine mile figure is bogus. People used MapQuest to find the distance between the crash site and the supposed debris field. Sure, nine miles if you drive by road, but roughly 2.5 miles in a straight line.

    The debris field WAS NOT composed of engine parts, seats, body parts or anything else heavier than a piece of paper.

    Your friend is also an idiot as there are nearly a dozen eyewitnesses to the plane coming down, some of which watched the plane, intact, nose dive into the ground. Had the plane been shot down, it would have displayed some semblance of damage including smoke and/or fire trailing from it. Not one eyewitness described seeing anything of the sort.

    End of story, full stop.

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